H-drol or good alternative

[jason76]

Okay, so here it goes. I have tried to do as much research as I can on what I can take that won't break the bank, won't have nasty sides and will lean me down and pack on muscle. I am 33 5'11 and 235. I started back to the gym after a 8 year break. Eight years ago a buddy started me on a very good cycle but it was illegal and I stopped half way through. I had great results and got down to 200lbs and am looking to get back there. I am just finishing up my last week of Reversitol after doing a cycle of H-drol by CEL. I just went off the label and did the 25mg in the am and 25mg in the eve. I took the cycle support with it and also nano vapor for my pre workout. My diet was clean and perfect. I am off a bit on my diet now but a simple tweak and it will be on track again. I started back in early Feb. at 265ish and am now at 235. Not having any issues with plateau or anything but want to go deeper in the waters and see if someone my size might want to try going 75 or 100mg/day. I workout 3x/wk and try to throw an extra day in for hard cardio fat burning. My job takes a lot from me and I have four kids at home so adding more time to the gym is really not an option and what I am doing now is working for me, timewise. Can anyone tell me what else I can be stacking with the H-drol or if 75 or 100 is too much for a 4 wk cycle? I want this to be a good one but need to consider the sides. Don't wanna go ape **** and start beating my kids if they spill the milk at the table or anything. If there is something better than h-drol out there with minimal sides and solid gains I am all ears as well. Thanks for you time and suggestions. I really do appreciate it.

 

[luke1984]

First of all, if you're not an agressive person by nature, then steroids won't make you agressive.

As for the H-Drol, it can easily be taken for 4 to 6 weeks at 75 to 100 or even 125mg. If you want to build mass then P-Mag or E-Stane by CEL would be a good alternative. If you want to stack try Trenadrol, or a similar product. They stack very well. High blood-pressure could be a problem with these compounds so try to keep it in check. Get some hawthorne berry for that, or just get Cycle Support, it has everything you need.

I do, however, highly recommend to do a PCT with Clomid (Clomifen Citrate), especially if you stack with Trenadrol, it's relatively surpressive.

Good luck!

 

[Gym4Life]

First of all, if you're not an agressive person by nature, then steroids won't make you agressive.

As for the H-Drol, it can easily be taken for 4 to 6 weeks at 75 to 100 or even 125mg. If you want to build mass then P-Mag or E-Stane by CEL would be a good alternative. If you want to stack try Trenadrol, or a similar product. They stack very well. High blood-pressure could be a problem with these compounds so try to keep it in check. Get some hawthorne berry for that, or just get Cycle Support, it has everything you need.

I do, however, highly recommend to do a PCT with Clomid (Clomifen Citrate), especially if you stack with Trenadrol, it's relatively surpressive.

Good luck!

hey man i was gonna run EPI with Xtren from cell but was just going to use the Test recovery kit from primordial performance do you think that would not be good enough for a pct ????

If not i might switch my cycle from epi/tren to hdrol/furazadrol.

 

[luke1984]

hey man i was gonna run EPI with Xtren from cell but was just going to use the Test recovery kit from primordial performance do you think that would not be good enough for a pct ????

If not i might switch my cycle from epi/tren to hdrol/furazadrol.

There is, unfortunately, no simple answer to your question. All products containing an aromatase inhibitor or a natural SERM should suffice as a PCT, but there's always a (small)chance you'll develop gyno after the cycle. So my advice would be to always have a SERM at hand, even if it's very likely you won't need it. Gyno is not harmful, just ugly.

 

[Gym4Life]

There is, unfortunately, no simple answer to your question. All products containing an aromatase inhibitor or a natural SERM should suffice as a PCT, but there's always a (small)chance you'll develop gyno after the cycle. So my advice would be to always have a SERM at hand, even if it's very likely you won't need it. Gyno is not harmful, just ugly.

thank you my friend i will have it on hand i wont use the serm but only if gyno flares up thanks for your reply a great post and your knowledge is very helpfull.

1 last question what would be better to cut up on versus sides ....

Hdrol / mmv2 or epi/tren

thanks my man.

 

[jason76]

Thanks Luke. I appreciate it. If I usethe clomid will I not need to use the reversitrol? And would the trenadrol be something okay to stack with the H-drol? I really do appreciate your help Luke

 

[Ubiyca]

Clomid is the ****. I've been researching it a lot lately and just bought 90 50mg pills..

Clomid at 25mg/day for 2 months raised this guy's test from 146 to 1026! and increase free test and helluva lot too

It's an amazing compound, and studies have shown it to be a viable option for HRT.

So naturally, it's the perfect choice for PCT. Im using it for my PCT of Hdrol (first cycle) in June.

 

[jason76]

who makes clomid? What else you taking for a pct?

 

[buster0371]

clomid is a serm and is technically illegal for human consumption

 

[Ubiyca]

who makes clomid? What else you taking for a pct?

It's a SERM, you can't buy it on Nutra and typically need a prescription from a doctor but you can find it online and order it if you know where to look. It is GOOD stuff and from the studies I've seen, taking this stuff in a low dose form 25-50mg/day will increase your test wayyyyyyyyy more than any test booster you can buy in a store. We're talking a possible alternative to HRT therapy (testosterone injections).

I'm also gonna be taking Divanil for PCT.. highdose Maca 4:1 extract, Icariin 50% extract, P.C.T Assist by CEL, and other goodies.

 

[jason76]

I am looking to keep it strictly legal. Thanks though

 

[Ubiyca]

clomid is a serm and is technically illegal for human consumption

Illegal for human consumption... LOL?

 

[Ubiyca]

I am looking to keep it strictly legal. Thanks though

It's illegal in the same way buying viagra off a website is..

It doesn't mean it's bad for you.. it just means it actually WORKS.

 

[KgTomCat]

It's illegal in the same way buying viagra off a website is..

It doesn't mean it's bad for you.. it just means it actually WORKS.

VERY TRUE.HAHAHAHAAHAHA

 

[buster0371]

check out pmag. supposed to be better for bulking, less sides. and the origional test subjects showed hardly any shutdown after 8 weeks. but it is recomended 4-6 weeks cycles max. follow a log. all the pmag feedback i hear is nothing but positive like hdrol!!

 

[jason76]

okay buster. So to make sure I have this right, i will stop the nano vapor whe on cycle adn will do the hydrol and taper back down like you said along with cycle support and probably just do reversitrol and pca for pct. Keep the protein high and the carbs in check to make sure I lean as much as possible. Anyone see any room to add or subtract anything from this?

 

[buster0371]

that looks good, do you have a serm on hand? your playing with high dosages so i would think a serm like nolva would be wise to have on hand! Depending on how old you are you could possably throw in a cortisol blocker week 3 of pct. like LEAN FX! (really young guys dont need it much 21-27 y/o)

 

[tim1985]

okay buster. So to make sure I have this right, i will stop the nano vapor whe on cycle adn will do the hydrol and taper back down like you said along with cycle support and probably just do reversitrol and pca for pct. Keep the protein high and the carbs in check to make sure I lean as much as possible. Anyone see any room to add or subtract anything from this?

I would pre load w/ hawthorn extract and milk thistle for the 2 weeks leading up to starting this cycle(its much cheaper than pre loading with cycle support). Then, start using cycle support once you start taking the hdrol (or just run milk thistle and hawthorn instead).

Dosage is up to you though. Id start with 50mg for the first 2 weeks then bump it to 75mg on the 3rd week. If you feel comfortable bumping it to 100, then do it.

As far as PCT goes, it would be wise to have a serm "on hand" but I doubt you'll need it. Buy a cheap cort suppressant(NOWs Super cortisol support is very cheap) and start using it on the 2nd or 3rd week of pct. Use a natty test booster for the 1st 4 weeks of pct(or longer if you want). Post cycle support or PCT assist will suffice for this(theres many others out there, just do a search on here).

 

[jason76]

reversitrol would work for the natty test booster right?

 

[KgTomCat]

good info in here! Nice avi by the way Tim haha

 

[KgTomCat]

Im also interested in PMag...

 

[buster0371]

reversitrol would work for the natty test booster right?

reversitol will be your AI. maybe dth or activate for t booster.

 

[jason76]

just curious. Anyone have any feelings on Reversitrol for Ai vs PCT assit?

 

[buster0371]

they are different.

reversitol has a prop blend, they dont tell you how much ATD or how much 6-bromo they put in it. The dosages can even very from batch to batch. this makes me wary of reversitol....

pct assist has only resveratrol in it. you would still need something like atd, 6-bromo, 6-oxo, or something to better control estrogen. resveratrol is an ASSIST, not the main source of pct.

 

[tim1985]

just curious. Anyone have any feelings on Reversitrol for Ai vs PCT assit?

I actually didn't use an AI when I ran hdrol, and Im fine

Actually, I thought I was using an AI(ATD from nutra) but in fact it was nothing more than fillers and caffeine!! So although I thought I was using ATD, I wasn't. :thumbsdown: They gave me my money back, but Im still a little pissed about it.

Rant Over

 

[buster0371]

I actually didn't use an AI when I ran hdrol, and Im fine

Actually, I thought I was using an AI(ATD from nutra) but in fact it was nothing more than fillers and caffeine!! So although I thought I was using ATD, I wasn't. :thumbsdown: They gave me my money back, but Im still a little pissed about it.

WOW, thats crazy! and you bounced back fine? thast good. The OP was considering taking the dosage as high as 125, so i figure he might be pretty shut down and need some good AI.

 

[tim1985]

WOW, thats crazy! and you bounced back fine? thast good. The OP was considering taking the dosage as high as 125, so i figure he might be pretty shut down and need some good AI.

Yes, I bounced back fine. I also used epi @ 40mg for 4weeks(bridged w/ hdol) and was hardly shutdown at all. I used Blue up(on sale right now btw) for my natty test booster. The cycle was a total of 8 weeks long and I used a very basic pct and all is well.

 

[buster0371]

I also used epi @ 40mg for 4weeks(bridged w/ hdol) and was hardly shutdown at all. I used Blue up(on sale right now btw) for my natty test booster.

wow i wonder if your like a freak or something cuz that should shut you down. even epi alone can shut people down pretty good!

 

[tim1985]

wow i wonder if your like a freak or something cuz that should shut you down. even epi alone can shut people down pretty good!

I was shutdown "some". Minor atrophy, some pct blues(at times, but nothing big). Libido never took a dive at all. These are mild compounds, but it also varies from person to person imo.

 

[buster0371]

I was shutdown "some". Minor atrophy, some pct blues(at times but nothing big). Libido never took a dive at all. These are mild compounds, but it also varies from person to person imo.

how would you compare the one to hdrol?

 

[tim1985]

how would you compare the one to hdrol?

Bigger libido boost on the one, gains are a bit better "for me" on the one(only by a few lbs though). BP was never an issue for me on hdrol(even while using jacked pre w/o) and the same goes for the one. They are both great for 1st time users imo.

The one is a bit cheaper once you factor in the fact that you'll need at least 2 bottles of hdrol for a good cycle(30 bucks per bottle). The one is 60 and comes with a pct product.

Id say the one is more bang for your buck.

 

[buster0371]

Bigger libido boost on the one, gains are a bit better "for me" on the one(only by a few lbs though). BP was never an issue for me on hdrol(even while using jacked pre w/o) and the same goes for the one. They are both great for 1st time users imo.

The one is a bit cheaper once you factor in the fact that you'll need at least 2 bottles of hdrol for a good cycle(30 bucks per bottle). The one is 60 and comes with a pct product.

Id say the one is more bang for your buck.

i heard gyno was an issue with the one though? is the one methylated?

 

[tim1985]

i heard gyno was an issue with the one though? is the one methylated?

Where did you hear that?

 

[buster0371]

a few longs guys got gyno and had to stop early

 

[KgTomCat]

I feel dumb, but what is 'the one'?? :think:

 

[tim1985]

I feel dumb, but what is 'the one'?? :think:

http://store.anabolicminds.com/product/applied-nutriceuticals/the-one-free-2nd-gear.html

 

[KgTomCat]

thanx

 

[KgTomCat]

can you give me a basic summary of 'the one'? ive never heard of this...