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  1. Unhappy


    I was really looking forward to getting and trying my Flex but still have not received it.


  2. Ive been in combat sports for as long as I can remember. So my joints have been battered over the years. Around this time last year a buddy of mine recomended that I try out this joint supplement for horses and I was, as anyone would be, sceptical. He swore by it and he has a few years on me so I figured "What the hell". Here is the breakdown in 1oz:

    5000 mg Glucosamine HCL and Glucosamine Sulfate
    100 mg Shark Cartilage (20% Chondroitin Sulfate)
    32 mg Boswellin
    12 mg Yucca Powder
    20 mg Manganese (Ascorbate)
    4 mg Bromelaine
    20 mg Vitamin C
    20 mg Omega 3 Fatty Acid
    6.4 mg Omega 6 Fatty Acid
    320 IU Vitamin A
    8 IU Vitamin E


    So how do these ingredients work together to provide maximum relief?

    Glucosamine is a charged sugar molecule that is a key component of the extra cellular matrix of cartilage. It absorbs and releases water with each step, thereby acting as a shock absorber for the joints. With more glucosamine, there is more joint protection. It is the essential and principal ingredient that determines the quantity of proteoglycan (water-holding) molecules that are formed in the body. The proteoglycans are large, water-binding molecules made up of (both) proteins and sugars. These are a major building block of healthy, vital cartilage. Glucosamine also stimulates the production of glycosaminoglycans (GAG's) which are important proteins found in cartilage. They serve to "bind" the water within the cartilage matrix, slowing the deterioration of your joints, and easing your pain.

    Shark Cartilage provides a source of chondroitin sulfate (20%) which works synergistically with glucosamine to assist in rehabilitating the cartilage that is damaged in your body. Our studies indicate that the use of shark cartilage improves the absorption of the glucosamine.

    Chondroitin Sulfate serves to attract fluids into proteoglycan molecules which assists you in two ways. First, it draws nutrients into your cartilage. Secondly, it increases the flow of fluid into your cartilage to add resiliency. It also serves to protect existing cartilage from premature degeneration by blocking "bad" enzymes that destroy cartilage and as well, prevent nutrient replenishment. Chondroitin sulfate is a naturally occurring component of cartilage that aids in the lubrication and cushioning of joints. Chondroitin also provides structure and flexibility to your joints.

    Manganese Ascorbate is a mineral that enhances the effectiveness of both glucosamine and chondroitin sulfates and synthesizes the production of healthy cartilage. It is essential for a healthy immune system and aids in the production of mucopolysaccharides, which are critical for maintaining healthy joints.

    Yucca has a lengthy history in easing stiff joints by blocking compounds that prevent the normal formation of cartilage. The root is rich in saponins that elevate your body's ability to produce "natural" cortisone. Yucca also helps to block the release of toxins from the intestines that inhibit the normal function of cartilage. Yucca also has anti-inflammatory properties.

    Bromelain helps to inhibit pro-inflammatory compounds which reduce pain and swelling. Unlike aspirin, bromelain does not inhibit the production of prostaglandins, essential to healthy joints.

    Omega 3 & 6 Fatty Acids Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acids act as anti-inflammatory agents. Omega-3 fatty acids (EPA, DHA, and ALA) are found in fish such as salmon, mackerel, herring, tuna, halibut, anchovies, and rainbow trout and soybean oil, flaxseed oil, and walnut oil. Omega-6 fatty acids (lineolic acid) comes from various common vegetable oils. The body converts lineolic acid into GLA which can help reduce joint inflammation.

    Boswellin has been used for centuries in the Indian Ayurvedic system of medicine to maintain healthy joints. Boswellic acids improve blood supply to the joints and maintain the integrity of blood vessels. At least one study has indicated that they may open up collateral blood circulation to provide a more adequate blood supply to your joints. Boswellin also serves to reduce swelling and improve mobility where individuals experience stiffness in the joints.

    Vitamin A (Beta Carotene) is essential for growth and repair of body tissues and it also aids in bone formation, and at the same time protecting against deterioration.

    Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) mobilizes your body's self-defense mechanisms that in turn, assist your immune system in overcoming disease. It is also a powerful antioxidant required to produce collagen, which is the main supportive protein in cartilage, tendon, and connective tissue. Collagen is the protein that "holds our bodies together" and is critical to the structure and integrity of healthy joints and also protects against bone deterioration.

    Vitamin E (Tocopheral) is an antioxidant that acts to protect red blood cells and unsaturated fatty acids from oxidation damage. It also assists your body in maintaining healthy membrane tissue.



    Syn-flex® contains a unique blend of ingredients found in no other product on the market today. Our one of a kind liquid formula, our pharmaceutical quality glucosamine HCL and Sulfate, and our ten complementing ingredients has resulted in a formula like no other that not only works, but works fast.

    Price: $263.40 per case (12-8oz bottles per case) Plus a $15 shipping fee

    So lets do the math

    An average horse weighs about 650-950+ lbs. Clidsesdales can weigh more than 2000 lbs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Im using the weight of average horses in this formula because this product is for average horses.

    650+950/2= 800

    My lean body mass (LBM) is around 210. To simplify things and because I hate decimals Im going to use 200 as my LBM.

    Now 800/200= 4

    A serving is 1oz and we, generaly speaking, are 1/4 the size of an average horse so
    .25 ounces (US, fluid) is equal to 0.50 tablespoon or .50 tablespoon is equal to 1.50 teaspoon

    Their is 8oz in each bottle and their is 12 bottles therefore

    8x4= 32= servings per bottle 32x12= 384= servings per case

    There is approximately 13 months of supplement here

    Now back to the price $263.40 divided by 13= $20.26 per month

    I have been taking this stuff ever since my buddy introduced me to it and my joints feel awesome. Now Im the one that gets the "are you crazy" look when I recomend it. Altough, there are a few side effects I have been experiencing with this product. I can run a mile in 2 min, I seem to be growing a tail, and my penis has grown in both length and girth. Im j/k about the last part!!!

    I do not represent nor am I affliated with the manufacturer of this product.

    SeriousSkillz
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by elliotuk View Post
    i bought supercissus rx a week ago after reading this thread and ye wow the pains in my shoulders and elbows have almost gone! Its only been a week so
    Going with the original, patent pending, proven product. Killer stuff!

    Please let us know how it works for you!
    \\ USPlabs Alpha Ginger //

  4. Glucosamine, Chondroitin and MSM are in my tackle box.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Jda777 View Post
    Glucosamine, Chondroitin and MSM are in my tackle box.
    all of those plus a multi and digestion/immune aid in a single bottle of orange triad
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by seriousskillz View Post
    Ive been in combat sports for as long as I can remember. So my joints have been battered over the years. Around this time last year a buddy of mine recomended that I try out this joint supplement for horses and I was, as anyone would be, sceptical. He swore by it and he has a few years on me so I figured "What the hell". Here is the breakdown in 1oz:

    5000 mg Glucosamine HCL and Glucosamine Sulfate
    100 mg Shark Cartilage (20% Chondroitin Sulfate)
    32 mg Boswellin
    12 mg Yucca Powder
    20 mg Manganese (Ascorbate)
    4 mg Bromelaine
    20 mg Vitamin C
    20 mg Omega 3 Fatty Acid
    6.4 mg Omega 6 Fatty Acid
    320 IU Vitamin A
    8 IU Vitamin E


    So how do these ingredients work together to provide maximum relief?

    Glucosamine is a charged sugar molecule that is a key component of the extra cellular matrix of cartilage. It absorbs and releases water with each step, thereby acting as a shock absorber for the joints. With more glucosamine, there is more joint protection. It is the essential and principal ingredient that determines the quantity of proteoglycan (water-holding) molecules that are formed in the body. The proteoglycans are large, water-binding molecules made up of (both) proteins and sugars. These are a major building block of healthy, vital cartilage. Glucosamine also stimulates the production of glycosaminoglycans (GAG's) which are important proteins found in cartilage. They serve to "bind" the water within the cartilage matrix, slowing the deterioration of your joints, and easing your pain.

    Shark Cartilage provides a source of chondroitin sulfate (20%) which works synergistically with glucosamine to assist in rehabilitating the cartilage that is damaged in your body. Our studies indicate that the use of shark cartilage improves the absorption of the glucosamine.

    Chondroitin Sulfate serves to attract fluids into proteoglycan molecules which assists you in two ways. First, it draws nutrients into your cartilage. Secondly, it increases the flow of fluid into your cartilage to add resiliency. It also serves to protect existing cartilage from premature degeneration by blocking "bad" enzymes that destroy cartilage and as well, prevent nutrient replenishment. Chondroitin sulfate is a naturally occurring component of cartilage that aids in the lubrication and cushioning of joints. Chondroitin also provides structure and flexibility to your joints.

    Manganese Ascorbate is a mineral that enhances the effectiveness of both glucosamine and chondroitin sulfates and synthesizes the production of healthy cartilage. It is essential for a healthy immune system and aids in the production of mucopolysaccharides, which are critical for maintaining healthy joints.

    Yucca has a lengthy history in easing stiff joints by blocking compounds that prevent the normal formation of cartilage. The root is rich in saponins that elevate your body's ability to produce "natural" cortisone. Yucca also helps to block the release of toxins from the intestines that inhibit the normal function of cartilage. Yucca also has anti-inflammatory properties.

    Bromelain helps to inhibit pro-inflammatory compounds which reduce pain and swelling. Unlike aspirin, bromelain does not inhibit the production of prostaglandins, essential to healthy joints.

    Omega 3 & 6 Fatty Acids Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acids act as anti-inflammatory agents. Omega-3 fatty acids (EPA, DHA, and ALA) are found in fish such as salmon, mackerel, herring, tuna, halibut, anchovies, and rainbow trout and soybean oil, flaxseed oil, and walnut oil. Omega-6 fatty acids (lineolic acid) comes from various common vegetable oils. The body converts lineolic acid into GLA which can help reduce joint inflammation.

    Boswellin has been used for centuries in the Indian Ayurvedic system of medicine to maintain healthy joints. Boswellic acids improve blood supply to the joints and maintain the integrity of blood vessels. At least one study has indicated that they may open up collateral blood circulation to provide a more adequate blood supply to your joints. Boswellin also serves to reduce swelling and improve mobility where individuals experience stiffness in the joints.

    Vitamin A (Beta Carotene) is essential for growth and repair of body tissues and it also aids in bone formation, and at the same time protecting against deterioration.

    Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) mobilizes your body's self-defense mechanisms that in turn, assist your immune system in overcoming disease. It is also a powerful antioxidant required to produce collagen, which is the main supportive protein in cartilage, tendon, and connective tissue. Collagen is the protein that "holds our bodies together" and is critical to the structure and integrity of healthy joints and also protects against bone deterioration.

    Vitamin E (Tocopheral) is an antioxidant that acts to protect red blood cells and unsaturated fatty acids from oxidation damage. It also assists your body in maintaining healthy membrane tissue.



    Syn-flex® contains a unique blend of ingredients found in no other product on the market today. Our one of a kind liquid formula, our pharmaceutical quality glucosamine HCL and Sulfate, and our ten complementing ingredients has resulted in a formula like no other that not only works, but works fast.

    Price: $263.40 per case (12-8oz bottles per case) Plus a $15 shipping fee

    So lets do the math

    An average horse weighs about 650-950+ lbs. Clidsesdales can weigh more than 2000 lbs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Im using the weight of average horses in this formula because this product is for average horses.

    650+950/2= 800

    My lean body mass (LBM) is around 210. To simplify things and because I hate decimals Im going to use 200 as my LBM.

    Now 800/200= 4

    A serving is 1oz and we, generaly speaking, are 1/4 the size of an average horse so
    .25 ounces (US, fluid) is equal to 0.50 tablespoon or .50 tablespoon is equal to 1.50 teaspoon

    Their is 8oz in each bottle and their is 12 bottles therefore

    8x4= 32= servings per bottle 32x12= 384= servings per case

    There is approximately 13 months of supplement here

    Now back to the price $263.40 divided by 13= $20.26 per month

    I have been taking this stuff ever since my buddy introduced me to it and my joints feel awesome. Now Im the one that gets the "are you crazy" look when I recomend it. Altough, there are a few side effects I have been experiencing with this product. I can run a mile in 2 min, I seem to be growing a tail, and my penis has grown in both length and girth. Im j/k about the last part!!!

    I do not represent nor am I affliated with the manufacturer of this product.

    SeriousSkillz

    All most like Animal flex an Anmial Omega

    Animal flex
    Amount Per Serving % DV

    Calories 9
    Calories From Fat 9
    Total Fat 1g <2%**
    Vitamin C(as Ascorbic Acid) 100mg 167%
    Vitamin E(as D-Alpha Tocopherol) 100mg 333%
    Zinc(as Zinc Picolinate) 15mg 100%
    Selenium(as Sodium Selenate) 70mcg 100%
    Manganese(as Manganese Sulfate) 1mg 50%

    Joint Construction Complex 3000mg *
    Glucosamine (As HCL, Sulfate KCI) *
    Methylsulfonymethane (MSM) *
    Chondroitin Sulfate A (CSA) *
    Chondroitin Sulfate B (CSB) *

    Joint Lubrication Complex 1000mg *
    Flaxseed Oil (50% Alpha Linolenic Acid) *
    Cetyl Myristoleate Proprietary Blend (Cetyl Myristoleaste*, Cetyl Myristate*, Cetyl Palmitate*, Cetyl Laurate*, Cetyl Palmitoleate*, Cetyl Oleate*)

    Hyaluronic Acid *

    Joint Support Complex 1000mg *
    Ginger Root Extract (Gingerols, Shogaols) *
    Turmeric Extract (Curcumin) *
    Boswellia (Boswellic Acid) *
    Quercetin *
    Bromelain *

    * Daily Value (DV) not established
    ** Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet

    Other Ingredients
    Di-Calcium Phosphate, Whey Protein (Milk), Shark Cartilage, Carob, Gelatin, Glycerine, Soy Bean Oil, Purified Water, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid

    Contains Shellfish.


    *
    Animal Omega
    Total Calories 60

    Calories From Fat 60

    Total Fat 7 g 11%

    Saturated Fat 1 g 5%

    Polyunaturated Fat 2.75 g

    Cholesterol 5 mg 2%

    Vitamin A (As Retinyl Palmitate) 2664 IU 53%

    Vitamin D (As Cholecalciferol) 2000 IU 50%

    Vitamin E (As D-Alpha Tocopherol) 10 IU 33%

    Omega 3 Fatty Acid (N-3 FA)
    Flaxseed Oil
    Salmon Oil
    Cod Liver Oil
    Herring Oil
    Anchovy Oil
    Mackerel Oil
    Sardine Oil
    Omega 6 Fatty Acid (N-6 FA) Complex 2500mg
    Borage Oil
    Safflower Oil
    Evening Primrose Oil
    Sesamin
    Omega Absorption Complex 200mg
    Lecithin (Soy)
    L-Carnitine
    Lipase Enzyme 40

  7. sorry I got the flex ingredients wrong it is good now

  8. I think you should try bulk Super Cissus, I mean for that price you can hardly go wrong.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  9. I got my can of Flex...thanks guys!

    I'm going to finish out this bottle of SuperCissus I'm running and then move over to Flex...

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I think you should try bulk Super Cissus, I mean for that price you can hardly go wrong.
    I have to agree 100%.

    Super Cissus Rx is incredible. Go with the USPLabs or the bulk Rx.

    They are the ones you'll be raving about to everyone in a month or so............I am!!!!!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by ProOne View Post
    Flex has been good to me...won't train without it
    Thanks for the feedback P.

    Quote Originally Posted by R6AAC View Post
    i just got my animal flex in today!! thanks a lot and props to b con!!!!!
    Let us know what you think of it R. Glad you got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by crpav View Post
    I was really looking forward to getting and trying my Flex but still have not received it.
    Should be there soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo4Fun View Post
    I got my can of Flex...thanks guys!

    I'm going to finish out this bottle of SuperCissus I'm running and then move over to Flex...
    Sounds good S. Let us know what you think.

  12. Alright guys, I'm new to this Cissus stuff. What do you physically notice from it, spare me the scientific research as I have read some of that online.

    First hand experiences anyone?

  13. nothing work

  14. Quote Originally Posted by redemption79 View Post
    Animal Flex is a solid product, along with many others..
    Quote Originally Posted by str1 View Post
    Personally, I'm a big fan of Animal Flex -- and although that's been pretty much a staple for a year or so, I'm still interested in trying new things.

    Since Animal Flex is not sold locally, and I sometimes run out, I sometimes try supplementing with a few other locally available supps, which "pretty much" have the same ingredients as AF. This option is more costly and less effective.

    I have tried cissus, and it did reduce my pain, but after the rave reviews here I think my hopes were too high, as after a couple of bottles, I didn't feel it was worth it anymore. Might try it again though, but the "anabolic" effects of it aren't appealing for me, and I would like to know more about the science behind it. If anyone has some links, I would be very appreciative of them.

    Anyway, big kudos to Universal for making so many top products, although Animal Flex is my only staple at the moment (when I'm bulking, torrent also becomes a staple!).

    I'm glad for this thread, as a sufferer of chronic joint pain (I've had some damage to both knees, both of which have been arthroscopied) I'm always on the lookout for something (new) to really help (more). At least until stem cell injections into damaged joints becomes more affordable and has had more clinical tests ;-)
    Quote Originally Posted by crpav View Post
    I was really looking forward to getting and trying my Flex but still have not received it.
    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo4Fun View Post
    I got my can of Flex...thanks guys!

    I'm going to finish out this bottle of SuperCissus I'm running and then move over to Flex...
    Flex is a staple for me as well.

    Yo C, hit me up with a PM and send me your name and addy again... I'll check with Corporate for ya.

    Sweet, S. Let us know how ya like it...

  15. I make my own joint blend, and swear by it. Could not work at all (arthritis flare-ups) if it weren't for my blend. Works best w/ my Vitamin C blend, of course....

  16. just wanna thank the reps and b-con for the sample of animal flex! I did chest yesterday and I had no problems with my elbows and shoulders what so ever! I also did legs on saturday and my knees were not hurting at all!!!! I strongly recommend animal flex for those who have joint problems!!! THANX

  17. i tried usplabs supercissus for a month and it hasnt worked, if anything my joints/tendons feel worse

    getting orange triad tomorrow see how that goes...

  18. Quote Originally Posted by elliotuk View Post
    i tried usplabs supercissus for a month and it hasnt worked, if anything my joints/tendons feel worse

    getting orange triad tomorrow see how that goes...

    I've used supercissus and orange triad, but I have to say nothing has been as effective as Flex for me.....I'm going to be 52 yo in a few weeks and have competed in powerlifting many moons ago, but still train heavy and hard, and Flex does it for me.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by CONTROLLED LABS View Post
    all of those plus a multi and digestion/immune aid in a single bottle of orange triad
    +1 im on it and it kicks ass

  20. Quote Originally Posted by R6AAC View Post
    just wanna thank the reps and b-con for the sample of animal flex! I did chest yesterday and I had no problems with my elbows and shoulders what so ever! I also did legs on saturday and my knees were not hurting at all!!!! I strongly recommend animal flex for those who have joint problems!!! THANX
    Glad you got it and it's helping ya out. Gotta keep the joints healthy...
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