Best fat loss supplement to stack with EC?
- 01-27-2009, 07:39 PM
- 01-27-2009, 08:49 PM
- 01-27-2009, 09:55 PM
I was thinking like DCP
01-27-2009, 10:30 PM
01-27-2009, 10:38 PM
01-27-2009, 11:48 PM
01-28-2009, 09:02 AM
any reason why you're doing EC and not ECA?
01-28-2009, 09:04 AM
Except in the case of fairly extreme obesity, the 'A' component has almost no utility combined with the EC stack.
01-28-2009, 10:01 AM
01-28-2009, 10:04 AM
I would drop the aspirin if you were gonna take it and def pick up some DCP. Especially on a CKD, you will notice good results from DCP. If you have a little extra money to spend then using something like Anabolic Pump on your carb uptake days is a very nice addition. I would only use it on the carb uptake days though and then use the rest of it when you come off your CKD that way you wont gain much back from going back to eating carbs as normal.
01-28-2009, 10:05 AM
01-28-2009, 01:23 PM
Yea I'm really looking into EC+DCP
01-28-2009, 01:45 PM
I see no reason not to include it.
Aspirin is included in the ECA stack to help prolong the effects of ephedrine. Basically as a normalizing procedure the body reacts to ephedrine by producing prostaglandins and adenosine outside the cell, and phosphodiesterase inside the cell. Inside the cell, it has been found that methylxanthines, like caffeine, inhibit the activities of phosphodiesterase. Stimulation of the beta receptors by ephedrine (via noradrenaline) causes an increase of cAMP (cyclic adenosine monophosphate) within the cell. This crucial part of the process that leads to thermogenesis is vulnerable because cAMP is degraded by phosphodiesterase. Outside the cell, aspirin inhibits the peripheral synthesis of prostaglandins. Prostaglandins inhibit the release of noradrenaline in the synaptic junction (before receptor stimulation). So in other words without aspirin (and caffeine), the beta agonistic qualities of ephedrine (via noradrenaline) are practically negated by prostaglandins. Thermogenesis is prolonged because aspirin interferes with this negative feedback mechanism!
01-28-2009, 01:47 PM
honestly if you feel you need to add something in and you are looking at CLA/Sesamin, try Animal Omega. Good overall source of a variety of EFA's as well as CLA/Sesamin
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01-28-2009, 02:05 PM
01-28-2009, 02:48 PM
Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1996 Feb;20(2):91-7.
Post-prandial thermogenesis with ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin in lean, pre-disposed obese and obese women.
Horton TJ, Geissler CA.
Department of Nutrition and Dietetics, King's College, University of London, Kensington, UK.
OBJECTIVE: To determine whether or not aspirin further potentiates the greater post-prandial thermogenesis induced by ephedrine with caffeine. DESIGN: Determination of the acute metabolic rate response to the following treatments: 1050 kJ liquid meal (M); meal plus ephedrine (30 mg) and caffeine (100 mg) (MEC) or meal plus ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin (300 mg) (MECA). SUBJECTS: Lean, pre-disposed obese and obese women (n = 10 each group). MEASUREMENTS: Pre- and post-treatment metabolic rate determinations via indirect calorimetry. Post-treatment measurements made at 20 min intervals for a total of 160 min. RESULTS: In all groups, metabolic rate increased significantly more following the MEC or MECA, compared to the meal only (p < 0.05). The obese group had a significantly greater absolute increase in metabolic rate following the MECA and MEC compared to both the lean and pre-disposed obese groups (p < 0.05). Metabolic rate remained elevated at the end of the 160 min following all treatments. CONCLUSION: Aspirin does not further potentiate the acute thermic effect of ephedrine and caffeine with a meal. However, the full thermogenic response was not measured and longer duration studies are necessary to confirm these results
01-28-2009, 03:00 PM
I don't think u need anything else.
01-28-2009, 03:12 PM
01-28-2009, 03:13 PM
a good cort blocker or topical would go nicely
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