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  1. has the dosing changed for pct? it used to be ~5 pumps daily...?

    at this protocol it would last ~4 weeks.


  2. i would also be using the same bottle on my off days...so that two of the four weeks
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  3. just got my dermacrine yesterday....new pump seems much better!
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  4. As I've posted the 4.0 sample I tried made me break out in severe welts all over my legs (scratched 'til I drew blood during my sleep). Would anything in the new formula help prevent this?

    I know I seemed to be the only one this happened to and you suggeted that it was my dry climate (Denver) or some other external factor. I hadn't made any external changes (soaps or other supps etc.) so I believe it was someting in the product. It was a sample so no big loss and it did seem to help with libido and fullness in the testicle sack etc (was/am coming off a prolonged TRT (no choice the DR won't let me get into the upper ranges, insists on middle of the road values).

    So I liked alpha but it didn't like me.

  5. I've heard Eric mention applying a moisturizer after the topical a bit later on to prevent drying out; but that might be more for 1T/Dermacrine. You can give that a try though, moisturizing is always a good call!

    There is a very small %age of people that are actually allergic to the ingredients themselves, although very small.
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  6. yeah he mentioned trying a moisturizing agent but it really is more like an allergic reaction vs dry slin (Really major welts, red rash, extreme itching etc) so I haven't tried to apply then do skin cream after. I'll probably do it in a week or so but needed to let all the welts and scars from scratching heal first them try it on a day I don't have to go to work. It's a [email protected]#$ to work on the phones/computer when your whacked out on Benadryl to contol the rash but still trying to use both hands scratching your legs and scrotum (not to mention the looks I got...LOL)

  7. Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    i was planning on doing a low dose EOD pulse of epistane for four weeks for my first time. I had originally planned on taking mass fx on my off days and then two weeks of it into PCT. Your product looks real good though and i guess its a better test booster than mass FX.

    If i try sustain alpha could i do it on my off days only or do i have to do it 3 on, 3 off or 5 on and 2 off? I was planning on running restore for my entire cycle and then doing PCS for four weeks and using the remaining sustain alpha (2 weeks- 5 on 2 off). How does that all sound? I dont really plan on going over 30mg or taking a ton of support supps...
    It sounds like you should just save the Sustain for after the epi pulse. It shouldn’t be very suppressive anyway, especially if you are only pulsing for 4 weeks.

    -Eric

  8. Quote Originally Posted by rabican View Post
    has the dosing changed for pct? it used to be ~5 pumps daily...?

    at this protocol it would last ~4 weeks.
    Its 6 pumps for 5 days on, 2 days off for regular use. [Most guys are doing 3 days on, 3 days off for the on-cycle protocol]

    Ill be posting a Sustain FAQ soon...

    -Eric

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Its 6 pumps for 5 days on, 2 days off for regular use. [Most guys are doing 3 days on, 3 days off for the on-cycle protocol]

    Ill be posting a Sustain FAQ soon...

    -Eric
    at this protocol will a bottle last 4 weeks?
    should the "2 days off" be lift days or rest days or does it not matter...the weekend comes to mind.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by glg View Post
    As I've posted the 4.0 sample I tried made me break out in severe welts all over my legs (scratched 'til I drew blood during my sleep). Would anything in the new formula help prevent this?

    I know I seemed to be the only one this happened to and you suggeted that it was my dry climate (Denver) or some other external factor. I hadn't made any external changes (soaps or other supps etc.) so I believe it was someting in the product. It was a sample so no big loss and it did seem to help with libido and fullness in the testicle sack etc (was/am coming off a prolonged TRT (no choice the DR won't let me get into the upper ranges, insists on middle of the road values).

    So I liked alpha but it didn't like me.
    Some of the active ingredients [resveratrol and benzoflavone] can reside on the skin and cause a bit of dryness, especially if your climate is dry. If you can keep the skin moisturized with a non-fragrant lotion [or skin oil] this should prevent the “itchy dryness” and solve the problem. [obviously itching is only going to worsen the problem]

    We’ve been considering the releasing our own lotion for guys to use for this purpose… but its only about 1-2 people out of every 100 that have this problem.

    -Eric

  11. Quote Originally Posted by rabican View Post
    at this protocol will a bottle last 4 weeks?
    should the "2 days off" be lift days or rest days or does it not matter...the weekend comes to mind.
    It wouldnt matter if you are lifting on those days or not.

    Yes, the bottle would last about a month with this protocol.

    -Eric

  12. Quote Originally Posted by glg View Post
    yeah he mentioned trying a moisturizing agent but it really is more like an allergic reaction vs dry slin (Really major welts, red rash, extreme itching etc) so I haven't tried to apply then do skin cream after. I'll probably do it in a week or so but needed to let all the welts and scars from scratching heal first them try it on a day I don't have to go to work. It's a [email protected]#$ to work on the phones/computer when your whacked out on Benadryl to contol the rash but still trying to use both hands scratching your legs and scrotum (not to mention the looks I got...LOL)
    Would you say the majority of the redness and welts came from the itching?

    As in, if there was no itching you wouldn’t have such an issue?

    -Eric

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Would you say the majority of the redness and welts came from the itching?

    As in, if there was no itching you wouldn’t have such an issue?

    -Eric

    No the welts and rash are very extreme and the itching comes as a result not the other way around. I'll start to feel the itching and when I check I have the rash & welts.

    That's why I think it might be an allergic reaction vs. a dry skin issue but I'm going to spend a couple of days putting some lotion on my legs and the try the Alpha followed by lotion to see if that changes things. just need to wait 'til I have a couple of days off so I don't scratch so much at work.

    Like I said I did notice positive results before this started and it wasn't from day 1 of trying it started a week or so into the usage. I was only doing 3 pumps every other day or so in order to try it and make it last a little longer before I actually purchased a full bottle.

  14. I got 2 bottles on my way. Can't wait. Should be fun

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    I got 2 bottles on my way. Can't wait. Should be fun
    From a Canadian hook-up
    I bought a few, still have one left. I should still have a fun libido boost when I run it in the New Year

  16. Woohoo! I need more of that libido thing :P

  17. I'm thinking about ordering up the stack with dermacrine, sustain-alpha, and 2 PT.

    Anyone run this before?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by haiz69 View Post
    I'm thinking about ordering up the stack with dermacrine, sustain-alpha, and 2 PT.

    Anyone run this before?
    Here is recent log on a 1-T phyto-test stack –

    I’ll have to find some for the Dermacrine stack..

    -Eric

  19. The New Year sale is officially here –
    Biggest supplement sale of the YEAR -- 30% off Everything!

    30% off everything until next week! (The 14th)

    This makes the Sustain Alpha only $34.96!

    -Eric

  20. dont u have to spend 200 to get the 30 percent off?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Yes.

    Sustain Alpha is being used during cycles to help avoid total suppression. For the on-cycle protocol you would use it 3 days on, 3 days off... At the minimum we recommend 2 days on, 5 days off.

    Then for PCT you switch to 5 days on, 2 days off.

    I'll be posting a new Sustain FAQ soon.

    -Eric
    how effective is this in increasing testicular size?

    also can it be dosed during the washout period following a test injection? (instead of hCG) in an 2on 1 off 2 on 2 off manner? up until the SERM starts?

    how does it compare to hCG interms of recovery and testicular size and ITT?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    how effective is this in increasing testicular size?

    also can it be dosed during the washout period following a test injection? (instead of hCG) in an 2on 1 off 2 on 2 off manner? up until the SERM starts?

    how does it compare to hCG interms of recovery and testicular size and ITT?

    Of course YMMV, but I've used low-dose HCG ( 250mg 2x/wk ) during TRT ( pellets ) and the HCG never did much as far as increasing ball size. However, in the past three months, I've done a cycle of Sustain Alpha ( last month or so before latest pellet implant ) and Dermacrine ( in use since pellet implant ) and BOTH seem to increase the size of the ol' nut sack. I'm currently doing the 3-on/3-off protocol, applying 1 pump to each arm and one pump to the scrotum in the AM, one pump to the scrotum in the afternoon and again just before bed. In addition to really strong morning wood ( as in, get up walk around, make coffee, brush my teeth, etc. before I'm finally able to piss ), I consistently get what I call "Dr Pepper Wood" ( i.e, 10, 2 & 4 ). Yeah, this stuff is THE BOMB!

    srczm

  23. thanks for the responce,

    now if i apply the sustain to my ballsack (as you said)

    and my girlfriend likes to yanno........ would it get into her blood stream from gedtting in her mouth? and how would it effect her.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    thanks for the responce,

    now if i apply the sustain to my ballsack (as you said)

    and my girlfriend likes to yanno........ would it get into her blood stream from gedtting in her mouth? and how would it effect her.
    Can't say as I'm lucky enough to be in that situation, but it does take awhile to dry thoroughly. Even once it's dry though, I doubt all of the topical will have been absorbed; just a guess on my part. I mean, it smells ok when it's applied, but I doubt that it tastes very good and it might contain some inerts that you don't want to ingest. Hopefully Eric has more info on this. To be on the safe side, I'd recommend washing your junk pretty thoroughly before having "tea time" with the young lady.

    srczm

  25. haha yeah good question, i was thinking the same thing but afraid to ask. How would u dose sustain alpha on an EOD pulse of epi? I wanna take it as a test booster on my off days along with taking an AI everyday
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