Is N.O. over rated?

I stopped by the vitamin shop over here and I was talking to some guy about pre work out supps and he was telling me that n.o. is only good for pumping you up while you work out, and does nothing for strength, or anything. Lets hear it!
 
Well it depends how you look at it, yes it will give you good pumps/vascularity but also can give a boost in energy, which could in a slight way increase your "strength". But NOs also work to dilate your veins, which lets the nutrients flow faster and more freely to the places they need to be. Also it has heart benefits, read a great article on that.
 
I personally think that NO supplementation is over-rated. With adequate nutrition and hydration, you should get a great pump. Hydration is the most underrated aspect of a pump. If you intracellular plasma level is low, then you will not be able to have a great pump.
 
Yes I completly agree with you^^ I get much better energy and "pumps" from a complex carb Pre Workout..but I was just giving him the other side of the story, because some do like NO Supplementation.
 
Yes I completly agree with you^^ I get much better energy and "pumps" from a complex carb Pre Workout..but I was just giving him the other side of the story, because some do like NO Supplementation.
Some love it, some find it to be useless. Adequate glycogen levels is far more important than any NO supplement, IMO.
 
They don't do much from a physique altering aspect but they can help you have better workouts. I personally like complex carbs or WMS with creatine gluconate, glycerol monostearate, beta-alanine, and p-slin pre-workout
 
I stopped by the vitamin shop over here and I was talking to some guy about pre work out supps and he was telling me that n.o. is only good for pumping you up while you work out, and does nothing for strength, or anything. Lets hear it!

You didn't talk to me did you? lol
Sounds like something I've told a customer before.
 
Complex Carb is a for sure in my diet pre workout, I will some times throw in Xplode or VasoCharge
 
I take it every once and a while, like if I had a long day or im just beat before I go workout. I use it as a little kick start.
 
i think they are WAY over rated. too expensive to use routinely. they work but not very long. its just over priced ingredients.
 
I do agree they are pretty pricey also, I am going to start buying in bulk powders and make my own pre workout supplement. I have heard AEE(arginine ethyl ester) works great!
 
Finally, a decent NO thread. :D

NO is bullshit. If you're a competitive bodybuilder, then it's probably a good idea because it will help show off all your hard work. If you're just the average joe, that's fine too, but don't expect ANYTHING from it besides a fully cosmetic pump. It DOES NOT increase strength, endurance, or recovery, so don't bother buying it for that.

Those of you getting energy from NO, you're feeling the caffeine most NO products contain, or the worlds cheapest placebo effect because you look bigger and pumped, which 'energizes' you. Nothing wrong with either, just realize NoDoz, or a sugar pill, would have achieved the same effect.
 
Finally, a decent NO thread. :D

NO is bullshit. If you're a competitive bodybuilder, then it's probably a good idea because it will help show off all your hard work. If you're just the average joe, that's fine too, but don't expect ANYTHING from it besides a fully cosmetic pump. It DOES NOT increase strength, endurance, or recovery, so don't bother buying it for that.

Those of you getting energy from NO, you're feeling the caffeine most NO products contain, or the worlds cheapest placebo effect because you look bigger and pumped, which 'energizes' you. Nothing wrong with either, just realize NoDoz, or a sugar pill, would have achieved the same effect.

yea nano is such crap it would just get me hopped up like i drank 2 rockstars.
thanks for the input guys, keep it going if u want!
 
Supplements that reportedly increase nitric oxide levels within the body are currently being marketed as powerful muscle builders. The marketers of these supplements claim they increase nitric oxide levels within muscle tissue and a dramatic increase in muscle size, strength is experienced. Other claims also include an increase in fast-twitch muscle fiber strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity from taking these supplements. These reported benefits are quite specific, so I decided to scan the literature for the scientific evidence that supports these claims.

Nitric Oxide – what is it?

Nitric oxide is a colorless, free radical gas commonly found in tissues of all mammals (it’s also prepared commercially by passing air through an electric arc). Biologically, nitric oxide has been shown to be an important neuro-messenger in a number of vertebrate signal transduction processes. Nitric oxide is used in medical treatment; for example, nitroglycerin ameliorates the pain of angina by supplying nitric oxide to the blood vessels that supply the heart. The popular drug Viagra controls erection by regulating nitric oxide in the penile cartilage chamber.

The Research and the Claims

I don’t know where the marketers obtained their literature on nitric oxide. It looks like they are using the same journals as the companies selling Myostatin inhibitors – Alice in Wonderland. Although nitric oxide acts as a cell-to-cell communicator for certain metabolic functions, muscle growth is not one of them. After a review of the available literature I cannot find any research that remotely indicates increasing nitric oxide levels plays a part in increasing protein synthesis, contractile strength or any other biochemical pathway that may lead to increases in muscle mass.

For a company to claim their supplement increases “fast-twitch” muscle strength, the promoters must have instigated or funded some kind of research that involved biopsy procedures and histochemical analyses to extract, assesses and identify these particular muscle fibers from animals or humans, before and after supplementation. However, I could find no documentation (either on their web sites or via a literature scan) that details these findings, only the marketing claims. As far as I’m aware, there is zero scientific evidence supporting the notion that nitric oxide supplements increase “fast-twitch” muscle strength.

There also appears to be no evidence whatsoever that shows increasing nitric oxide levels enhances endurance, power output, and load capacity.

Arginine alpha-ketogluterate is the “active” ingredient reported by one company that sells this type of supplement. It is claimed that this compound increases and maintains a constantly high level of nitric oxide in muscle. Nitric oxide is synthesized within the body using the amino acid arginine, the energy cyclic substrate NADPH, and oxygen. Nitric oxide diffuses freely across membranes but it is a transient signaling molecule. Nitric oxide is by nature, a highly reactive gas that has an extremely short life – less than a few seconds. While there is a lot of research on the effects of nitric oxide, there is no research that shows supplementation with arginine alpha-ketogluterate increases or sustains nitric oxide levels in any human or animal organs.

Can you imagine, a supplement that “creates dramatic increases in muscle size, strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity”, but not a single study to support these claims. Nothing new here. Unfortunately, this is typical sports nutrition marketing bullshit. It's sad, misleading, and shows you just what these companies think of the intelligence level of their target market.

When new products burst onto the market, you the consumer can cut through the advertising hype quite easily. Simply ask the supplement company making the claims to "show you the research". A reference is a start, but the actual research study is particularly what your after. You want to see the study, the protocol, the outcome and the University at which the study was conducted. In the present case, you want to see a study showing were this supplement actually increased nitric oxide above a control group, and you want to see the data that demonstrates an increase in lean muscle mass, significantly more than the group without elevated nitric oxide levels.

The fact is, there is no science supporting any of the claims made for so-called nitric oxide supplements. There is no science showing they have any effect on nitric oxide levels and certainly no science showing in effects on muscle growth or increased performance.

Ask yourself why there is no research to support these companies’ wild claims. The simple answer is that research is expensive, make believe products are not. Research provides evidence, fraudulent supplement marketing only delivers hype. It’s far more financially rewarding to sell hype than to produce effective supplements backed by science.

One promoter of a nitric oxide supplement claims to have “brought creatine supplementation to the market” and that their supplement is “the perfected version of creatine”. I’m not sure which market is being referred to but creatine has been used as a supplement for over 40 years. And in NO way are nitric oxide supplements a “perfected version of creatine”. They are nothing like creatine. While creatine is backed by a wealth of research, nitric oxide supplements do not have a shred of scientific evidence that justifies their effectiveness as a bodybuilding supplements.

Bottom line, money spent on these products is money flushed down the toilet.



Read the Real Science
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2. Mayer B; Hemmens B. Biosynthesis and action of nitric oxide in mammalian cells. Trends Biochem Sci 1997 22(12):477-81.

3. Janabi N; Chabrier S; Tardieu M. Endogenous nitric oxide activates prostaglandin F2 alpha production in human microglial cells but not in astrocytes: a study of interactions between eicosanoids, nitric oxide, and superoxide anion (O2-) regulatory pathways. J Immunol 1996 1;157(5):2129-35.

4. Esposito C; Cozzolino A; Porta R; Mariniello L; Buommino E; Morelli F; Metafora V; Metafora S. Protein SV-IV promotes nitric oxide production not associated with apoptosis in murine macrophages. Eur J Cell Biol 2002 81(4):185-96.

5. Eckmann L; Laurent F; Langford TD; Hetsko ML; Smith JR; Kagnoff MF; Gillin FD. Nitric oxide production by human intestinal epithelial cells and competition for arginine as potential determinants of host defense against the lumen-dwelling pathogen Giardia lamblia. J Immunol 2000 1;164(3):1478-87.

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nitric oxide products are purely physcoligal.
However i do enjoy them very much.

And to say they do absolutely nothing for muscle building is a bit extreme.

It allows better muscle growth indirectly.

Of course you can get better pumps , from steriods but not all of wants to takes steriods.

Of course you can take carbs but some of us are on low carbs diets.

The pump is crux of the enjoyment had in the gym. any way to enchance that is fine by me.

Like arnold said in pumping iron" Im getting the pump in the gym its like im coming, and then when i go home at night its like im also coming again.Im in pure heaver"
 
I love the pumps I get while using NO products.. whether it increases strength or not, it psycologically gives me the boost to lift more while feeling fuller.. I liked BSN Nitrix
 
Well it depends how you look at it, yes it will give you good pumps/vascularity but also can give a boost in energy, which could in a slight way increase your "strength". But NOs also work to dilate your veins, which lets the nutrients flow faster and more freely to the places they need to be. Also it has heart benefits, read a great article on that.

i agree with this. the compaines market it all wrong, insinuating that you are going to get vascular off the stuff. sure it helps those that are already vascular but if you don't have it this is not going to give it to you. more efficient nutrient delivery and blood flow to the target muscle group should be the main concern. but as rodja says...if your diet blows there is no point!
 
Exactly! They should market it different..but they wont because the "insane pumps" gets all the thick skulled.
 
i believe it is overrated. it provides strength, but i always felt it was temp. it makes you look and feel big for about 1-2 hours. not worth it IMO
 
I don't buy it for those reasons, I more so buy it for a transporter for my creatine. And concentration, but I will be buying caffeine pills for that.
 
AAKG doesn't really do much for me. RPM gave me minimal pumps. Ragnarok is the only thing I have tried that gives me a noticeable pump. I don't think it's needed,but I do enjoy it. It is over-rated though,especially when you look at certain companies who hype it.

I have to admit I was sucked in the idea of thinking it's needed before I started posting on here and was shown the light.
 
My hatred for muscletech runs deep.

Yes, BUT...set aside the nanoparticulate hype, and most of their stuff is 'ok'. I mean whey protein? Check. Creatine? Check. Arginine? Check. Leucine? Check.

Meh. They ruin it with the price and rate at which they decimate whole forests with their 22 page glossy ads.
 
Yes, I will never put down the quality of there products(except NanoVapor), but I just hate there claims for NitroTech(gain 15.6 lb in 2 weeks!!!),they have BS doctor testimonials and there prices our through the GNC roofs!
 
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