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    RPN Havoc Severe side effect


    To introduce myself.. I am 24 yr old guy.. took rpn havoc as the first ph cycle.

    I started 10 mg on the first day then increased to 20 mg the next few days.

    After the 4-5 day I notice that i was loosing my short term memory and could not remember small things . I also noticed lack of concentration in writing down things in class. I also felt drowsy during the day. But I did notice an increase in diet.

    While on RPN havoc I had normal food, was not on any prescription drugs and only took ON's whey for supplementation.

    (history: I did have a ephidrine induced psychotic breakdown in the past . but had recovered when i started havoc.)

    I would be interested to know if anyone else had similar kind of experience.

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    Were you eating enough carbs?
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    lethargy is a common side effect with orals, it could just be that.
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    Sounds very much like you are not eating enough carbs.
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    and isn't havoc a steroid and not a ph?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0785 View Post
    and isn't havoc a steroid and not a ph?
    yes - that is why you can buy it online. . .
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    last cycle of havoc I ate normal to recomp and gain a little muscle...I experienced alot of lethargy. This cycle i'm eating carbs like theres no tommorrow, i'm alot less lethargic
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    I really hope you do not mean your only taking protein on cycle???
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
    yes - that is why you can buy it online. . .
    i don't know if your being sarcastic there or what. but there are a lot of legal steroids you can buy online and even in some nutrition stores
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    of course guys i was eating carbs....

    I meant in the earlier post that protien was my only supplement, but of course i was eating lots of food containing carbs.

    I did not ONLY experience lethargy but also mild memory looses and concentration problems in school

    So well, I had to end the safest (?) prohormone's cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0785 View Post
    i don't know if your being sarcastic there or what. but there are a lot of legal steroids you can buy online and even in some nutrition stores
    because they are PHs
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    I always have to up my carbs considerably when on Epi or Havoc. Even while dirty bulking I will lose fat. Hypoglycemia will cause all of the symptoms you mentioned and more. I get lethargic, can't concentrate and often become extremely irritable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    I always have to up my carbs considerably when on Epi or Havoc. Even while dirty bulking I will lose fat. Hypoglycemia will cause all of the symptoms you mentioned and more. I get lethargic, can't concentrate and often become extremely irritable.
    not to mention severely limiting gains. I also notice my joints take a huge hit if my carbs are too low.
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    Eat more carbs like you are on AP. You might be getting Hypoglycemic from it if you don't. Be careful you can get sick. Some people used to call this the "Superdrol Flu".
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    not to mention severely limiting gains. I also notice my joints take a huge hit if my carbs are too low.
    I'll be doing anabolic diet on epi/havoc soon. You guys are scaring me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
    because they are PHs
    they arent pro hormones they are designer steroids. there's no conversion necessary with havoc. u can still buy phera plex knock offs, superdrol, halo drol, u can find some tren products. 11 oxo, 3ad. they are all DESIGNER STEROIDS. they are not pro hormones, they don't need to be injested and mix with an enzyme to become active they are the active compound already in the pill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0785 View Post
    they arent pro hormones they are designer steroids. there's no conversion necessary with havoc. u can still buy phera plex knock offs, superdrol, halo drol, u can find some tren products. 11 oxo, 3ad. they are all DESIGNER STEROIDS. they are not pro hormones, they don't need to be injested and mix with an enzyme to become active they are the active compound already in the pill.
    i make a distinction between designer steroids and the real thing. so that is why you can buy those online. listen - didn't mean to offend you.

    later. . .
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    The Anabolic diet would not be wise with a epi or Sd regimen. As Dr. D explained to me those compounds shuttle glycogen into your muscles at a high rate, and it would not be wise to be low carb on them, he did give one suggestion though, if I was to low carb it take one pill in morning with some type of waxy maize product, and at night with a protein shake so I could go to sleep with ease. It worked for leaning out and retaining muscle, but I did not get new LBM from this method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
    i make a distinction between designer steroids and the real thing. so that is why you can buy those online. listen - didn't mean to offend you.

    later. . .
    hahaha ok. just because they're sold online doesn't mean they are real roids got ya. u know that all your real steroids were legal at one point in time too right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    I'll be doing anabolic diet on epi/havoc soon. You guys are scaring me!

    I was keto on high doses of epi for a long time and had no problems. Felt great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I was keto on high doses of epi for a long time and had no problems. Felt great.
    how can u be in ketosis and feel great?
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    What you've described very much sounds like hypoglycemic-like effects. As already been suggested, please increase your carb intake and reassess. Make sure you have some quality complex carbs in there to maintain an adequate basal glucose level preventing (or at least limiting) these type of episodes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0785 View Post
    how can u be in ketosis and feel great?

    I don't know, low carb treats me very well. Just agrees with me.

    The epi also made me feel great lol.

    I think if you're borderline insulin resistant, or you are IR, then any low carb, or low GI diet will make you feel 10x better. My fasting glucose is around 90 normally though so I don't think I am resistant. I just feel great not getting tired after eating and not feeling bloated. I don't lose energy at all while in ketosis...maybe just some muscle endurance, but supps help that anyhow. I was taking clout as well and did not feel my muscle endurance dropping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kayz View Post
    of course guys i was eating carbs....

    I meant in the earlier post that protien was my only supplement, but of course i was eating lots of food containing carbs.

    I did not ONLY experience lethargy but also mild memory looses and concentration problems in school

    So well, I had to end the safest (?) prohormone's cycle
    Back to the topic at hand...

    Did you not take any liver support supplements? Did you just stop your cycle cold? How long were you on cycle? When was the last day you took Havoc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I don't know, low carb treats me very well. Just agrees with me.

    The epi also made me feel great lol.

    I think if you're borderline insulin resistant, or you are IR, then any low carb, or low GI diet will make you feel 10x better. My fasting glucose is around 90 normally though so I don't think I am resistant. I just feel great not getting tired after eating and not feeling bloated. I don't lose energy at all while in ketosis...maybe just some muscle endurance, but supps help that anyhow. I was taking clout as well and did not feel my muscle endurance dropping.
    How were your gains low carbing? I'm not sure if I'm IR, but I generally feel great on low carb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    Back to the topic at hand...

    Did you not take any liver support supplements? Did you just stop your cycle cold? How long were you on cycle? When was the last day you took Havoc?

    That is what I think also he is taking no support supps just protein
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I don't know, low carb treats me very well. Just agrees with me.

    The epi also made me feel great lol.

    I think if you're borderline insulin resistant, or you are IR, then any low carb, or low GI diet will make you feel 10x better. My fasting glucose is around 90 normally though so I don't think I am resistant. I just feel great not getting tired after eating and not feeling bloated. I don't lose energy at all while in ketosis...maybe just some muscle endurance, but supps help that anyhow. I was taking clout as well and did not feel my muscle endurance dropping.
    hm.. maybe thats my problem i'm insulin resistant. whenever i eat i get bloated as hell and usually get tired. anyway to combat this or tell if its true? i've taken anabolic pump and now am on yellow gold and i can take 2 grams of yellow gold and wait an hour and i don't feel like i'm going hypo and don't get extremely hungry like most people report.
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    How about some support supps? Post cycle supps? It sounds to me like you got a pretty piss poor cycle going here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    How were your gains low carbing? I'm not sure if I'm IR, but I generally feel great on low carb.
    Pretty good, you can cut or bulk low carb. I wasn't aiming for mass then though, more of a recomp.
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    To the OP: careful taking PH/PS with any possible psychological issues. They can / will enhance them, especially during pct. Be safe before touching any of these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    I always have to up my carbs considerably when on Epi or Havoc. Even while dirty bulking I will lose fat. Hypoglycemia will cause all of the symptoms you mentioned and more. I get lethargic, can't concentrate and often become extremely irritable.

    What should i do to overcome this condition..???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big BAMA View Post
    Eat more carbs like you are on AP. You might be getting Hypoglycemic from it if you don't. Be careful you can get sick. Some people used to call this the "Superdrol Flu".

    Does this mean that Havoc reduces the blood sugar?

    and BTW what is AP..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kayz View Post
    Does this mean that Havoc reduces the blood sugar?

    and BTW what is AP..?

    Anabolics will shuttle glycogen faster into your muscle, more than usual, which leaves you with less to burn off for the rest of your body.

    AP = Anabolic Pump. It has this effect as well, supposeldy helps shuttle carbs/glycogen into muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
    yes - that is why you can buy it online. . .
    i get my test online...
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