[nosnmiveins]

as the title says. im a little behind on OTC supps.

what is the difference?

[borobulker]

I am sure you can find any info you need here.

USPlabs PowerFULL FAQ and Info

Best of luck!

[Steveoph]

Originally Posted by USPLabs

We extract for 50% L-dopa and natural decarboxylase inhibitors within Mucuna.

And see borobulker's link.
The 15% NutraPlanet L-Dopa extract is exactly that.

[ekdevil]

^so really the bulk ldopa 15%=bulk carboxy?cool

[celc5]

subbed for future reference... good question

[rob561]

bulk carboxy is 50% extract

[chim_chim]

Originally Posted by rob561

bulk carboxy is 50% extract

I have taken real, pharmaceutical L-Dopa, and I would say that 1 g of bulk carboxy is subjectively equivalent to 50 mg of L-Dopa. 200 mg of real L-Dopa is way, way more powerful than 1 g of bulk carboxy.

This is also not a supplement to be taken lightly, as chronic excess dopamine has health consequences. I'm not saying don't take it, but do your research. In a different way, it is as serious as taking steroids.

[jazzman21]

Originally Posted by chim_chim

I have taken real, pharmaceutical L-Dopa, and I would say that 1 g of bulk carboxy is subjectively equivalent to 50 mg of L-Dopa. 200 mg of real L-Dopa is way, way more powerful than 1 g of bulk carboxy.

This is also not a supplement to be taken lightly, as chronic excess dopamine has health consequences. I'm not saying don't take it, but do your research. In a different way, it is as serious as taking steroids.

how dangerous is excess l-dopa?

[USPLabs]

Originally Posted by chim_chim

I have taken real, pharmaceutical L-Dopa, and I would say that 1 g of bulk carboxy is subjectively equivalent to 50 mg of L-Dopa. 200 mg of real L-Dopa is way, way more powerful than 1 g of bulk carboxy.

This is also not a supplement to be taken lightly, as chronic excess dopamine has health consequences. I'm not saying don't take it, but do your research. In a different way, it is as serious as taking steroids.

Problem with pharmaceutical L-Dopa is that it gets absorbed in peripheral tissue before making it to the brain which causes the nasty side effects.

[celc5]

Originally Posted by USPLabs

Problem with pharmaceutical L-Dopa is that it gets absorbed in peripheral tissue before making it to the brain which causes the nasty side effects.

Such as neuropathies? If so, are they permenant?

I'd think we were taking these supplements for relaxation/mood enhancement. I get these affects with dopamenergics but nothing peripherally. That seems to be backwards of what you are suggesting.

[justreading]

I suspect I have super low dopamine levels so this is a great topic!

[Mulletsoldier]

I will attempt to clear this pertinent issue up, most importantly, without abasing myself or the company to any particular individual!

In respects to Mucuna extraction and administration, there are two primary concerns: The inherent L-DOPA content, and the content of both PDCIs (peripheral decarboxylase inhibitors), as well as independent L-DOPA-enhancing adjuvents; necessarily, due to the function of L-DOPA itself, one component is as important as the other.

To address the first concern, this particular extract is 15%, while the Bulk 1-C is 50% (after extraction); herein, the difference is most ostensibly quantitative, but may be qualitative as well. This is not to necessarily devalue the quality of NP's extract - a priori of either trying it or having the necessary information on it - but rather to elucidate that the quality of the Mucuna has prominent effects on the quality of the components we are concerned with.

In accordance with the inherent PDCIs and other L-DOPA-enhancing adjuvents, I may only speak for ourselves, and not for NP; in that respect, we deliberately extract for PDCIs, which are the cornerstone of an effective L-DOPA-based product - simply put, a product without high PDCIs content is both relatively unsafe, and ineffective. Obviously, as I have no data on NP's product, this is not to insinuate one way or another that their product has 'X' or 'Y' PDCI content!

[Imeniaan]

Originally Posted by jazzman21

how dangerous is excess l-dopa?

Hyperseksuality

[Steveoph]

Summary of Mulletsoldier's post (see above for full details):

2 Factor to consider, 1) L-Dopa Content 2) peripheral decarboxylase inhibitors (PDCIs)

NP's bulk is 15% L-Dopa, 1-Carboxy is 50%

1-Carboxy is extracted for PDCI's, unknown if NP's does as well

[celc5]

Ok, so aside from the shop talk, I'll vouch for the current version of USP PowerFull. I have noticablely enhanced sleep patterns with PowerFull. And Powerfull has resolved "prolactin like" abnormal sensations for me on 2 seperate occasions within 3-4 days. I have not had any negative effects from PowerFull, including no peripheral symptoms.

Let's hear the feedback on NP's 1 carboxy then...