I'm 21. Are natural test boosters a good idea?
- 09-06-2008, 01:27 AM
I'm 21. Are natural test boosters a good idea?
Hey all, I was toying with doing a cycle of Havoc for a while (haven't ever done one) but decided against it for fear of screwing up my maximum testosterone potential (not to mention possible hair loss or gyno).
So my question is this: being only 21, would I be doing my body any harm by using natural testosterone boosters/freers such as Divanil, Fadogia, or T-Rez? I've been cutting forever (like over a year - used to be a fat 200+ lbs) and decided it's getting too difficult to get definition with so little mass. So I want to bulk up fast and then cut again.
If natural test boosters are ok for me to use, what stack would you recommend?
- 09-06-2008, 01:48 AM
I'm 27 myself and really don't notice much, than 21. Maybe some subtle changes that have occurred; although Ive kept sleeping, nutrition and weight training up. With that said I did get benefit from biotest tribex back when I was 23. and blue up last year when I was 26. Btw I think the normal male testosterone starts declining very slowly around 30. Than around 50 more changes are noticed and downhill from there. I think its hereditary and lifestyle. my dad's test didn't really go slightly down in till he was 37 from what I noticed. he is 54 now and I have seen the decline over the years. used to be way more aggressive. Hopefully i take after his testosterone genetics or hopefully I have better. anyways that just my theory on testostrone delcine..dont mean to tie up the thread.
You might and just might get some boost out of these at 21.
Blue up by Controlled Labs
Biotest Tribex(the blue pills)
Activate Xtreme by DS
Nutraplanets Divinal(although I don't know if it compares to Activate Xtreme,its the same thing, I hope it does)
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- 09-06-2008, 08:02 AM
Smeton has good advice. I would hold off unless you think that cutting is interfereing with your test levels (low energy, libido, etc)
09-06-2008, 08:55 AM
Lets revisit this for a moment.
Suppose he is at his "normal range" for his age. These natural test boosters are theorized to "boost" your "natural" test production. I believe the better ones are also targeted to elevate free testosterone. They are also theorized to be non suppresive.
The issue is do they boost your test to supraphysiological levels and is this a good thing or bad thing regardless of your age.
Hear me out.
So at what age do you boost your natural test levels to supraphysiological levels. If I am 21 and I am in my "normal" range or 45 and in my "normal" range any elevation above my "normal" range is supraphysiological for my "normal" range.
The issue I believe that is relative and pertinent is supression not supraphysiological ranges for any age. If I am 21 and elevate my testosterone to supraphysiological ranges with exogenous testosterone I risk inhibition and the result could be a decrease to my healthy normal range for my age. This also applies to a 45 year old. But if I use something that is not supressive what difference does it make if I elevate my levels above range at 21 or at 45 I will not hinder my natural production.
Think about it for a minute. These are natural test boosters. Why would these not be marketed and sold to the those with already normal ranges testosterone ragrdless of age or range. They are not marketed to those with low test levels. They are marketed to everyone.
09-06-2008, 12:21 PM
You can use them as you are of age, but unless you really need that extra kick, I'd wait
09-06-2008, 12:22 PM
B said it very well. I would suggest something like Divanil to maximize your naturally high T levels. I'm in the same position as you (actually younger, 2 months shy of 20). I will be logging TNT very shortly, which includes Divanil. I have used DTH many times in the past and noticed increased in aggression, acne (so Test boosting) but I think something that frees my bound testosterone is optimal.
The resveratrol touts an amazing number of health benefits, and it is also a mild AI, the strength which I feel is low but it should be a staple for it's benefits anyways.
09-06-2008, 12:25 PM
09-06-2008, 12:29 PM
Thanks for the input guys. Stuff all of you said makes alot of sense, but B5150 and Steveoph have great points. If people of all ages get exactly the same benefits from using them, why would it be harmful for me to use, but not for older dudes?
The TNT stack is exactly what I was thinking I'd try. It's ingredients have been getting rave reviews. Are there any other supplements you would recommend in addition or as substitutes?
09-06-2008, 12:32 PM
09-06-2008, 12:55 PM
09-06-2008, 12:55 PM
09-06-2008, 12:59 PM
09-06-2008, 01:12 PM
09-06-2008, 02:23 PM
I didn't notice much from them when I was 21, but it all depends on how "in tune" you are with your body. Outside of 1Test and ecdy, I seldom "felt" any difference from most supplements then, but I am much more cognizant of smaller changes.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
09-06-2008, 02:34 PM
I just find the answers and reasoning to not use them to be interesting.
A healthy male has likely the same level of test from 21 well into his late 20's and even longer. Any decline would be minescule, unless of course there are health and or diet issues that are undiagnosed, and likely well within their range.
With that reasoning in mind really no one should be using these products.
The fact of the matter is that the market demographic for OTC supplement are consumers in their 20's.
09-06-2008, 02:36 PM
Last year I was in tune with my body and felt a little more with blue-up, esp the first month, second month not much if at all anything in regards to changes.I did it two months and am thinking on test boosters one month works good for me.
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09-06-2008, 05:50 PM
Thanks a ton guys, your advice is greatly appreciated.
09-06-2008, 08:11 PM
hey whats TNT? i tried a search but nothing came up.
09-06-2008, 08:13 PM
09-06-2008, 08:43 PM
If your going to use test booster, stay natural.. I tried something that wasn't natural and messed me all up... Now I going to be trying some natural stuff that I have heard is going real well for others.. PRIME by USPLabs...
09-06-2008, 09:09 PM
What do you guys think about stuff like Drive? That shouldn't have any kind of weird side effects right?
I took that when I was 19 and felt an increase in energy and libido. I'm thinking about taking it again soon (now 20). Will my balzac drop off? :P
09-07-2008, 07:21 AM
I agree with posts above...statements like "you're young and have raging test levels so dont use.." are gross generalizations in my opinion.
Ive always had low normal test levels since my teen years. I'm now in my 40s and my levels have not dropped off very much since then. Lots of us have low normal test levels even as young men and technically have nothing medically "wrong" but could use a good natural product whatever the age.
09-07-2008, 07:25 AM
Out of curiosity, how did you find out that you had low test levels? Blood test?
09-07-2008, 12:41 PM
But sometimes there are tell tale signs that you can feel if you are experiencing low levels like
Lack of Sexual Desire
Loss of Strength and Muscle Mass
Lengthening of Recovery Time
High Blood Pressure
09-07-2008, 02:13 PM
09-07-2008, 07:44 PM
so i noted these in the thread/top selling.
Blue Up by Controlled Labs
Diesel Test Hardcore
any of them actually worth the money?
i have the basic supplementation:
is there something else i can add that will help? what else is out there?
09-08-2008, 07:36 PM
09-08-2008, 08:17 PM
Very good input from everybody. Let's just say that natural t boosters do work and help the body produce more t, that would than mean that person should be able to assimilate more protein and build more muscle? To the point mentioned earlier, age really shouldn't matter if its a natural t booster.
Now, heavy training, I mean real heavy 5-7 rep sets with heavy weights will cause the body to release not only more t but hgh as well. Its a cause and effect. The key than is nutrition, the hormones are being released due to the xtra stress being put on the body, now you have to feed the machine. So, it can be done with out t boosters, its just much slower and very hard for most to stay dedicated to the nutrition side of the equation.
09-08-2008, 09:54 PM
at 21, generally your test levels peak so you should have more test now than you will ever have again. That being said, if you think that you have low levels, definitely go for it. i have taken Animal Stak (2 unfortunately). Although it is much milder than its original counterpart, it still gives you a boost that you can feel. I noticed aggression and irritability increases within the first few times i used it. it has DHT blockers and Anti-Aromatose, so it promotes healthy muscle growth as well as prevents your body from letting all of the new found testosterone go to waste.
09-08-2008, 09:56 PM
i forgot that it also has gh boosters....more test, more gh, less DTH/Aromitization....what more could you ask for (from a natural T booster that is)
09-09-2008, 07:58 AM
i ordered activate xtreme..i ma see how this goes.
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