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    Cycle support (AI) or Cycle assist (CEL)


    Both are great companies with great products..Congrats to CEL with C-Assist and all new products..and AI, you always deliverd innovative quality goodies..keep up the good work


    I and many of the members are interested in which of the two you would like to use in the near future, and why?

    I used AI's CS in the past and am very pleased with it..I always wanted to see it capped for a reasonable price, and this never happened(life support is a bit expensive for ME! and of course I know capping the product cost more and the ingred. list is worth it).

    I will vote for now : C-Assist (CEL)..

    Why : it is cheaper / no RYR and the ingredient profile is good enough for supporting/assisting a cycle


    Much love from Amsterdam

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    Both are great products no doubt.

    I will go with CA next time for the reasons you listed; price, its capped and also because im not a fan of RYR.
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    CS has been around a while with great feedback, and a very solid ingredient list. CA is a newer and a capped product that has a good ingredient profile as well.

    The main difference is serving size; with CS you get 1 & 1.2g vs. 0.5 & 0.75 of Milk Thistle as NAC as examples. I haven`t done the full math, but CS provides the convenience of being capped.I like the inclusion of RYR and Idebenone in CS though.
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    I agree that Cycle Support has more of some of the ingredients such as milk thistle and hawthorne berry
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    Here are the ingredients of the products. And just so people know RYR free Cycle Support is still available

    CYCLE ASSIST

    N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine 750 mg **
    Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) 500 mg **
    Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) 500 mg 5000%
    Hawthorn Berry Extract (Satndardized to 1.8% Vitexin) 300 mg **
    Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 200 mg 10000%
    Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) 160 mg **
    Celery Seed Extract (10:1) 75 mg **
    Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) 75 mg **
    Policosanol 20 mg **
    Zinc Gluconate 15 mg 100%


    Cycle Support

    Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
    Red Yeast Rice 1200mg **
    Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000mg **
    NAC 1200mg **
    Hawthron Bery 1000mg **
    Saw Palmetto 300mg **
    Policosonol 20mg **
    Celery Seed Extract 150mg **
    Nettle Root 250mg **
    Idebenone 100mg **
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    Cycle assist
    If you look there is a difference in the Hawthorn Your turn Pem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    Here are the ingredients of the products. And just so people know RYR free Cycle Support is still available

    CYCLE ASSIST

    N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine 750 mg **
    Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) 500 mg **
    Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) 500 mg 5000%
    Hawthorn Berry Extract (Satndardized to 1.8% Vitexin) 300 mg **
    Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 200 mg 10000%
    Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) 160 mg **
    Celery Seed Extract (10:1) 75 mg **
    Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) 75 mg **
    Policosanol 20 mg **
    Zinc Gluconate 15 mg 100%


    Cycle Support

    Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
    Red Yeast Rice 1200mg **
    Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000mg **
    NAC 1200mg **
    Hawthron Bery 1000mg **
    Saw Palmetto 300mg **
    Policosonol 20mg **
    Celery Seed Extract 150mg **
    Nettle Root 250mg **
    Idebenone 100mg **


    Isn't this list based on 30 servings for CS and 60 for CA?

    C-assist should be dosed at 8 caps which will give you 30 servings, the above is based on 4 caps for C-assist, right?

    so the C-assist would look like this:

    240 caps each serving is 4 caps, recommended dose on cycle is 8 caps which will provide the following:

    CYCLE ASSIST

    N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine 1500 mg **
    Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) 1000 mg **
    Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) 1000 mg
    Hawthorn Berry Extract (Satndardized to 1.8% Vitexin) 600 mg **
    Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 400 mg
    Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) 320 mg **
    Celery Seed Extract (10:1) 150 mg **
    Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) 150 mg **
    Policosanol 40 mg **
    Zinc Gluconate 30 mg

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    Cycle Support

    Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

    Red Yeast Rice 1200mg **
    Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000mg **
    NAC 1200mg **
    Hawthron Bery 1000mg **
    Saw Palmetto 300mg **
    Policosonol 20mg **
    Celery Seed Extract 150mg **
    Nettle Root 250mg **
    Idebenone 100mg **
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Cycle assist
    If you look there is a difference in the Hawthorn Your turn Pem!

    Am I right MW ?
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    Both are solid products, personally I like to invest in the original innovators. Ex: X-Factor rather then > Hyper H. Of course take my opinion with a grain of salt due to my affiliation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amino89 View Post
    Both are solid products, personally I like to invest in the original innovators. Ex: X-Factor rather then > Hyper H. Of course take my opinion with a grain of salt due to my affiliation.
    X-Factor is a better value, anyway.

    *Refrains from voting*
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    200-400mg of B-6 worries me, especially on a 4wk+ cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riquee View Post

    CYCLE ASSIST

    N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine 1500 mg **
    Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) 1000 mg **
    Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) 1000 mg
    Hawthorn Berry Extract (Satndardized to 1.8% Vitexin) 600 mg **
    Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 400 mg
    Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) 320 mg **
    Celery Seed Extract (10:1) 150 mg **
    Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) 150 mg **
    Policosanol 40 mg **
    Zinc Gluconate 30 mg


    Too much vitamin B6 can result in nerve damage to the arms and legs.

    Several reports show neuropathy in people using less than 500 mg per day
    [1].

    The Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine has established an upper tolerable
    intake level (UL) for vitamin B6 of 100 mg per day for all adults



    Check your supplements and see how much B6 it contains.



    [1]. "As intake increases above the UL, the risk of adverse effects increases [1]."

    1. Institute of Medicine. Food and Nutrition Board. Dietary Reference Intakes: Thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B6, folate, vitamin B12, pantothenic acid, biotin, and choline.


    2. Selhub J, Jacques PF, Bostom AG, D'Agostino RB, Wilson PW, Belanger AJ, O'Leary DH, Wolf PA, Scaefer EJ, Rosenberg IH. Association between plasma homocysteine concentrations and extracranial carotid-artery stenosis. N Engl J Med 1995; 332:286-291. [PubMed abstract]



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    i haven't used cycle assist. but im going to have to vote for it just because CS tastes so bad (no hate)... lol.

    on my next methylated cycle, i am for sure going to go with cycle assist
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    I guess no one realizes why AI does a powder. Maybe its cause to pack that amount of material into capsules makes it 8+ caps. Seriously... who wants to take 8 more caps?

    Its a scoop and chase. No big deal. No respect for AI + Lake, who brought this to the industry. I guess I just dont understand the voting for something you havent used, but I guess that is just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I guess no one realizes why AI does a powder. Maybe its cause to pack that amount of material into capsules makes it 8+ caps. Seriously... who wants to take 8 more caps?

    Its a scoop and chase. No big deal. No respect for AI + Lake, who brought this to the industry. I guess I just dont understand the voting for something you havent used, but I guess that is just me.

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    Of course we all have our thoughts about this:

    *I for one really like the capped formula for when I am away from home (work...)..was happy to see Life support but the price is way too high for on cycle use!
    *I do think if a company has problems with another company, let them sort it out, we are just the cash machine who like to buy a product which delivers whitin our budget..
    *The voting is not that strange, is it? I mean it's just a comparisson of the ingredient profile of a new almost similar to an already great product which is not capped and more expensive for many supp."junckies" (supp. junckie does not mean buyers of crap supp's :-)
    If one would thinks one of the 2 is the better, they ll share their why's and why nots

    BTW: congrats with Reverse, looking forward to try it. next voting poll will be Reverse/stoked lol.. that will be a voting poll about the results not the ingr. profile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riquee View Post
    Of course we all have our thoughts about this:

    *I for one really like the capped formula for when I am away from home (work...)..was happy to see Life support but the price is way too high for on cycle use!
    *I do think if a company has problems with another company, let them sort it out, we are just the cash machine who like to buy a product which delivers whitin our budget..
    *The voting is not that strange, is it? I mean it's just a comparisson of the ingredient profile of a new almost similar to an already great product which is not capped and more expensive for many supp."junckies" (supp. junckie does not mean buyers of crap supp's :-)
    If one would thinks one of the 2 is the better, they ll share their why's and why nots

    BTW: congrats with Reverse, looking forward to try it. next voting poll will be Reverse/stoked lol.. that will be a voting poll about the results not the ingr. profile.
    AI and IBE have their products aimed at two different audiences, and thus we are not competing. The chemist of IBE is the person that designed CS while working with AI. So we are a pretty tight knit bunch.

    Though you do bring up a valid point, even this poll should be based on results. Thats why I have a problem with this poll, is that people are basing a vote for something they have not tried before. I have no doubt CEL has a good product, but voting for something you havent tried is backward a bit. This is just my opinion, and mine alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riquee View Post
    Am I right MW ?

    You are right bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    You are right bro

    thx Pem..

    Now the only thing that worries me is the high dose B6..I am looking into it before trying the new product. I know many highdose on B6 during cycles against prolactin issues..of course that does not mean high dose is ok..

    The quiz continues..
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    Riq, thanks for providing the proper comparison.


    Both are great products IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riquee View Post
    thx Pem..

    Now the only thing that worries me is the high dose B6..I am looking into it before trying the new product. I know many highdose on B6 during cycles against prolactin issues..of course that does not mean high dose is ok..

    The quiz continues..
    You should explore the relationship between dietary b6 intake and blood concentration levels. It might surprise you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I guess no one realizes why AI does a powder. Maybe its cause to pack that amount of material into capsules makes it 8+ caps. Seriously... who wants to take 8 more caps?

    Its a scoop and chase. No big deal. No respect for AI + Lake, who brought this to the industry. I guess I just dont understand the voting for something you havent used, but I guess that is just me.

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    I guess the older guys remember why Cycle Support was originally created...people were *****ing about how many pills they had to take throughout their cycles!

    Both products are solid IMO and both have their own intrinsic values. Do your research and choose the one that you feel is best suited for your needs. If you ask me though, you already know what I will be suggesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    I guess the older guys remember why Cycle Support was originally created...people were *****ing about how many pills they had to take throughout their cycles!

    Both products are solid IMO and both have their own intrinsic values. Do your research and choose the one that you feel is best suited for your needs. If you ask me though, you already know what I will be suggesting.

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    I have to go with cycle support. I have used it too many times with good results to go against it.
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    Those are both good, what do you guys think of a very affordable SNS Liver Assist XT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy View Post
    Those are both good, what do you guys think of a very affordable SNS Liver Assist XT?
    That is an awesome product... I am definitely going to try it on my next cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    You should explore the relationship between dietary b6 intake and blood concentration levels. It might surprise you.
    What do you mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    What do you mean?
    I was reading some studies that suggest that only a minor portion of dietary B6 actually makes it into your bloodstream but i'm still reading up to determine the %, etc. Getting side tracked by the political announcement today.
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    She's kind of hot for an older lady
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    I was reading some studies that suggest that only a minor portion of dietary B6 actually makes it into your bloodstream but i'm still reading up to determine the %, etc. Getting side tracked by the political announcement today.

    If you find any studys that show B6 to be non-toxic at upper level dosages let me know.

    And McCains running mate? I think it genius, but thats another thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    If you find any studys that show B6 to be non-toxic at upper level dosages let me know.

    And McCains running mate? I think it genius, but thats another thread...
    I've found a few so far but the dosages are higher than Cycle Assist. Always going to be some outliers at lower doses and some that megadose it with no problems... just like anything IMO. I am also looking into the timeframe... i.e. 30 days of use. The "typical" danger zone from studies i'm reading is 2,000 Mg per day.

    FP, man come check my thread in the politics section right now.. good stuff.. i was surprised you arent there yet.
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    It's pretty cool of CEL to make a capped product with an amazing profile like that.

    I've used Cycle Support to void the negatives of a pretty hefty cycle and it got the job done well. The taste of the PB flavor was quite good mixed with vanilla Oryx Goat Whey protein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    It's pretty cool of CEL to make a capped product with an amazing profile like that.

    I've used Cycle Support to void the negatives of a pretty hefty cycle and it got the job done well. The taste of the PB flavor was quite good mixed with vanilla Oryx Goat Whey protein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    It does get ridiculous when you're popping 45 pills a day, lol
    Cannot argue that. I did not run Cycle Support on my 1st cycle and had a hard time remembering damn did I take this pillor was it that pill and how many times a day
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    Cannot argue that. I did not run Cycle Support on my 1st cycle and had a hard time remembering damn did I take this pillor was it that pill and how many times a day
    I have one of those old person rotary pill boxes LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riquee View Post
    Isn't this list based on 30 servings for CS and 60 for CA?

    C-assist should be dosed at 8 caps which will give you 30 servings, the above is based on 4 caps for C-assist, right?

    so the C-assist would look like this:

    240 caps each serving is 4 caps, recommended dose on cycle is 8 caps which will provide the following:

    CYCLE ASSIST

    N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine 1500 mg **
    Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) 1000 mg **
    Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) 1000 mg
    Hawthorn Berry Extract (Satndardized to 1.8% Vitexin) 600 mg **
    Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 400 mg
    Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) 320 mg **
    Celery Seed Extract (10:1) 150 mg **
    Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) 150 mg **
    Policosanol 40 mg **
    Zinc Gluconate 30 mg

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    Cycle Support

    Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

    Red Yeast Rice 1200mg **
    Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000mg **
    NAC 1200mg **
    Hawthron Bery 1000mg **
    Saw Palmetto 300mg **
    Policosonol 20mg **
    Celery Seed Extract 150mg **
    Nettle Root 250mg **
    Idebenone 100mg **

    Ours is labeled at half the daily provided serving - so you are correct there sir. I've never seen any documented cases of health issues solely from Pyridoxine HCL with the exception of cases where it was used in doses from 2,000-6,000mg ED for months. Also AAS can lower B6 levels as the B6 will stop prolactin build-up and can help with acne. Both are great products with similar ingredient profiles I'd make my decision on Hawthorn Extract as its benefits come from vitexin, along with cost. (Plus I may be a little bias)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    There's never been any documented cases of health issues solely from Pyridoxine HCL with the exception of cases where it was used in doses from 2,000-6,000mg ED for months. Also AAS can lower B6 levels.
    I think you may be overstating the safeness of B6.

    The patients were taking 24 and 40 mg per day, respectively. Neurotoxic syndromes due to pyridoxine overdose have been described before in patients taking high-dose vitamin B.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...RVAbstractPlus


    Neurological damage has been reported at extremely high intakes (in excess of 500 mg/d), and even more modest doses (50-100 mg/d) cannot be regarded as being without hazard.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2661220
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    I think you may be overstating the safeness of B6.

    The patients were taking 24 and 40 mg per day, respectively. Neurotoxic syndromes due to pyridoxine overdose have been described before in patients taking high-dose vitamin B.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...RVAbstractPlus


    Neurological damage has been reported at extremely high intakes (in excess of 500 mg/d), and even more modest doses (50-100 mg/d) cannot be regarded as being without hazard.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2661220
    The study was pretty vague with males in their 60's with no mention of previous medical history. If you have any detailed clinical diagnoses stemming from sole B6 use I'd love to see them though. In young males on steroids the situation is much different. Many ingredients, including those in the two aforementioned polled supplements can be dangerous when used in the wrong situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    If you have any detailed clinical diagnoses stemming from sole B6 use I'd love to see them though.

    Burden of proof would be on you in this instance if you can find studies that show that it's not toxic i would be interested to see them.

    I think Usf97j4x4 is looking for said studies also.
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    I voted for Cycle Support, I dont mind the taste and its a great value compared to Life Support, the capped version, or even to Cycle Assist.

    When talking CS vs CA its not even close, LS vs CA would have been a more accurate title.
  

  
 

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