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    Lightbulb Thought on Higher Importance of Sleep/Recovery Supplements


    So I've been thinking lately in regards to hitting my supplement regime differently..

    Should there be higher importance/emphasis on sleep/recovery supplements over test boosting and/or preworkout supplements?

    Preworkout supplements
    - Taken later in the day would affect quality of sleep.
    - Taken in the morning would not be required if quality of sleep has been improved/enhanced.

    Test boosting supplements
    - Can cause hormonal imbalances when coming off of them.

    Sleep supplements
    - Improved sleep should boost your body's natural production and also balance your hormones that includes lower cortisol levels.
    - The body naturally uses the time you sleep to recover so why not aid it further in recovery by enhancing it.
    - Higher GH released during sleep.
    - Quicker muscle recovery.
    - Reduction in body fat.

    Recovery supplements
    - Don't need to really go over these as it shouldn't be more than protein, amino's, and proper diet.

    So rather than burning up money on Test Boosting and Preworkout supplements I'm thinking this budget should be used towards sleep and recovery supplements as I feel like these essentially are the opposite side of the spectrum and would benefit/work with your body's natural rhythm.

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    I think it a place for both but I do love a good sleep supp that puts me out the whole night!
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    Lucky for you OP, sleep aids are probably one of the most inexpensive supplements you can buy. Currently I'm using Resurrect PM, then going to try out REM 8.0, then go back to Abyss Unparalleled for 2 bottles back to back.

    Honestly, my money is still going to be on Abyss Unparalleled, the one bottle I finished a few weeks back totally readjusted my sleep pattern.
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    i really enjoy quality sleep products....Lights Out has been something I've wanted to try since it's release

    however i do have to say the other categories do have their place....if you can get a quality pre workout then you could really crush your workout or work harder than you may already work....thats important too right?

    a good test booster could also have you feeling like a king inside and outside of the gym and thats usually an all day feeling that i personally enjoy
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    Keep in mind its not always the amount of sleep you get but the quality of sleep you get. A majority of those benefits that were mentioned are only achieved when you get into the deep stage of sleep known as REM or Rapid eye movement Name:  sleep-stages.gif
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    True on the improved sleep from actual "hardware" which is something I've been wanting to upgrade myself..

    My problem with preworkout's is the quick tolerance build up to them.. since I have minimal experience with sleep aid's is tolerance build up quick on these?

    I know there are typical blends of melatonin, 5htp, and gaba supps that are supposed to aide with sleep but I guess what I'm leaning towards is more of the "new age" stuff that has been coming out involving peptides etc(I see Lights Out has humanofort in it though my knowledge on that is minimal). The upcoming Sleephoria from Evomuse also has some intriguing ingredients as well on top of the typical sleep aides.

    So far I see the list of sleep aides that are outside of the standard mixture seem to be (in no order and I'm sure I've missed some):
    iForce Lights Out
    Evomuse Sleephoria
    Nimbus Abyss Unparalleled
    Antaeus Oneiromancer

    I'm a bit weary of reviews now on a lot of sites because I feel like people are paid to post positive reviews across all of the major sites..

    Any other input on people that have had continued success with some sleep aids/recovery products?
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    Quote Originally Posted by propho View Post
    True on the improved sleep from actual "hardware" which is something I've been wanting to upgrade myself..

    My problem with preworkout's is the quick tolerance build up to them.. since I have minimal experience with sleep aid's is tolerance build up quick on these?

    I know there are typical blends of melatonin, 5htp, and gaba supps that are supposed to aide with sleep but I guess what I'm leaning towards is more of the "new age" stuff that has been coming out involving peptides etc(I see Lights Out has humanofort in it though my knowledge on that is minimal). The upcoming Sleephoria from Evomuse also has some intriguing ingredients as well on top of the typical sleep aides.

    So far I see the list of sleep aides that are outside of the standard mixture seem to be (in no order and I'm sure I've missed some):
    iForce Lights Out
    Evomuse Sleephoria
    Nimbus Abyss Unparalleled
    Antaeus Oneiromancer

    I'm a bit weary of reviews now on a lot of sites because I feel like people are paid to post positive reviews across all of the major sites..

    Any other input on people that have had continued success with some sleep aids/recovery products?

    for someone who has tried a bunch of sleep aids...i can say yes, on most of them you build a tolerance after awhile, personally what i've been doing lately is using the sleep aids during the week when i have to wake up for work and not on the weekends...thats why i'm so intrigued to try Lights Out, it doesn't have just the same ingredients as a bunch of the other sleep aids...but i do love 5 htp

    i would be careful though as some of the hgh products i've tried actually keep me up at night...while others knock me out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    for someone who has tried a bunch of sleep aids...i can say yes, on most of them you build a tolerance after awhile, personally what i've been doing lately is using the sleep aids during the week when i have to wake up for work and not on the weekends...thats why i'm so intrigued to try Lights Out, it doesn't have just the same ingredients as a bunch of the other sleep aids...but i do love 5 htp

    i would be careful though as some of the hgh products i've tried actually keep me up at night...while others knock me out
    You should give Abyss a shot. It kind of works the complete opposite of most sleep aids. The effects accumulate and builds up rather than diminish with continued use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    You should give Abyss a shot. It kind of works the complete opposite of most sleep aids. The effects accumulate and builds up rather than diminish with continued use.
    i try and stay away from gaba, thats one of the ingredients that keeps me awake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    i try and stay away from gaba, thats one of the ingredients that keeps me awake
    It's only 200mg's of it in Abyss I think, but then again, I do not know how it is with people that are kept awake by GABA :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    It's only 200mg's of it in Abyss I think, but then again, I do not know how it is with people that are kept awake by GABA :P
    thats true, the stuff that really kept me away was 600mg's

    it's awful, i get tired but can't sleep and i get like a thermo effect sort of
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    thats true, the stuff that really kept me away was 600mg's

    it's awful, i get tired but can't sleep and i get like a thermo effect sort of
    Interesting, GABA at higher dosages at first just gave me some heavy breathing initially. Then that kind of resided.
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    Oddly, a lot of people said they sleep well with ZMA and that **** keeps me awake :| I fear it..
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    I like 2-3g GABA
    Powerfull is pretty good also
    I tried Somatomax and slept great on that but it's pretty expensive
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysfirst View Post
    I like 2-3g GABA
    Powerfull is pretty good also
    I tried Somatomax and slept great on that but it's pretty expensive
    kept me awake as well, not really sure why but i didn't get good sleep

    thats why i'm looking at lights out, doesn't look like anything that will keep me awake, looks better for recovery than most otc sleep products too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    kept me awake as well, not really sure why but i didn't get good sleep

    thats why i'm looking at lights out, doesn't look like anything that will keep me awake, looks better for recovery than most otc sleep products too
    I had a couple of supps that did that to me also. Lights Out looks good but try Somatomax when you get a chance, it's the best I ever tried!
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    I haven't tried many sleep aids but I have used some gda's at bed time and found that these were a huuuggggeee benefit to me sleeping faster and through the night. A nice side effect to their true purpose. Glycophase in particular has had the best pre bed impact for me
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    Can we maybe get some hypothesis on the cause of some sleep products having a stimulatory effect?
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    The GH benefits from sleep aids are actually quite negligible for recovery, but sleep aids still considerably improved CNS recovery, which causes increases in strength and increased preparedness for your next session. For me, when I'm sleep-deprived, there's a night and day difference in my workout performance, 24-hour mood, appetite, etc. Sleep will be a major focus of the medical field in coming years
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The GH benefits from sleep aids are actually quite negligible for recovery, but sleep aids still considerably improved CNS recovery, which causes increases in strength and increased preparedness for your next session. For me, when I'm sleep-deprived, there's a night and day difference in my workout performance, 24-hour mood, appetite, etc. Sleep will be a major focus of the medical field in coming years
    I'm the same, I can't function at all without proper sleep. If I don't have a good night of sleep I make sure I take a sleep aid the next night so I can get back on track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Can we maybe get some hypothesis on the cause of some sleep products having a stimulatory effect?
    Heeeeyyyyyooooo


    In case anyone with an idea missed this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Heeeeyyyyyooooo


    In case anyone with an idea missed this.
    Which product? If it has l-dopa, it's self-explanatory
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Which product? If it has l-dopa, it's self-explanatory
    I am an idiot on the mucana...I get it from Valarian too though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    I am an idiot on the mucana...I get it from Valarian too though.
    It's tough to say...do they keep you up right away or do you wake up in the middle of the night and have trouble going back into restful sleep?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    It's tough to say...do they keep you up right away or do you wake up in the middle of the night and have trouble going back into restful sleep?
    It's more if I don't fall asleep quickly after taking. It's like there is a point where I take a sleep aid and if I'm not asleep in a half hour it keeps me up. Zzquil seems to be the exception so far.
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    If I take any L-Dopa past 5pm, it takes me about an hour to an hour and a half to fall asleep..

    Thats with ZMA and L-tryp
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    It's more if I don't fall asleep quickly after taking. It's like there is a point where I take a sleep aid and if I'm not asleep in a half hour it keeps me up. Zzquil seems to be the exception so far.
    The active ingredient in Zzquil is just diphenhydramine which is Benadryl.

    A good night's sleep has so many positive benefits across the board and is usually neglected by many. Practicing good sleep habits and getting an adequate amount of sleep will be more beneficial to well-being, your workouts, and gains than most supplements on the market you take. With that said, sleep aids are not a cure-all with the fact that you should practice good sleep habits (google them if unaware), but they will help you fall asleep as well as get more restful sleep. I respond pretty well personally to valerian and melatonin and any supplements containing them (such as Oneiromancer) and they can really enhance many aspects of your life.
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    Yup... That's kind of where I was trying to go by starting this thread..

    Am I correct in saying taking melatonin regularly is bad in that your body won't naturally produce enough of it afterward?
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    Does any one on here regularly take unisom? I have found that to be one of the better non habit forming OTC sleep aids on the market
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    Does any one on here regularly take unisom? I have found that to be one of the better non habit forming OTC sleep aids on the market
    Nope, but Abyss Unparalleled I believe is non-habit forming. The stuff actually gets better the longer you use it which IMO must be the complete opposite of habit forming :P

    As an aside, I've been using REM 8.0 for a few days (maybe a week now? forgot when I started taking the stuff), it's friggin strong. Very good chance you will get a hung over feeling when you wake up the first few times you use the stuff. Definitely start with half a scoop to assess your tolerance (I'm nonsensical and went with the full scoop personally the first time, I figured that I've used GABA and mucuna at relatively potent doses for awhile that my tolerances should be ok). The hung over feeling has started to tame down a fair bit though. Very effective product, if you need something to knock you out, this is a good product to try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Nope, but Abyss Unparalleled I believe is non-habit forming. The stuff actually gets better the longer you use it which IMO must be the complete opposite of habit forming :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by propho View Post
    Am I correct in saying taking melatonin regularly is bad in that your body won't naturally produce enough of it afterward?
    Good question. As far as I know, at this time, there aren't any studies to show whether this is true or not. I, for one, would not take melatonin or any product containing melatonin for extended periods (more than 1-2 months) without some break.
    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    Does any one on here regularly take unisom? I have found that to be one of the better non habit forming OTC sleep aids on the market
    There are two different possible drugs Unisom can contain based on the formulation, and one of those two drugs is diphenhydramine, which, once again, is just Benadryl.
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    Melatonin has been shown to be non-habit forming in 6 months trials. In fact, users get sensitized to its effects with continuous use
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    I've used a sleep monitoring app on my phone for a few weeks and the factor that contributed most to a higher proportion of deeper sleep was sleep hygiene. So for example going to bed at the same time, having a relaxing bath before bed and not watching any TV or using the PC at least an hour before bed. Simple I know, but try following a somewhat rigid routine for a few days and you will see improvements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    I've used a sleep monitoring app on my phone for a few weeks and the factor that contributed most to a higher proportion of deeper sleep was sleep hygiene. So for example going to bed at the same time, having a relaxing bath before bed and not watching any TV or using the PC at least an hour before bed. Simple I know, but try following a somewhat rigid routine for a few days and you will see improvements.
    Did you find that app to be accurate? I'm considering grabbing it
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Did you find that app to be accurate? I'm considering grabbing it
    If you have an Android device, Sleep Bot is solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Sleep is for the weak
    Bears sleep all winter and they are pretty bad ass...
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