Thought on Higher Importance of Sleep/Recovery Supplements

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  1. Does any one on here regularly take unisom? I have found that to be one of the better non habit forming OTC sleep aids on the market
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    Does any one on here regularly take unisom? I have found that to be one of the better non habit forming OTC sleep aids on the market
    Nope, but Abyss Unparalleled I believe is non-habit forming. The stuff actually gets better the longer you use it which IMO must be the complete opposite of habit forming :P

    As an aside, I've been using REM 8.0 for a few days (maybe a week now? forgot when I started taking the stuff), it's friggin strong. Very good chance you will get a hung over feeling when you wake up the first few times you use the stuff. Definitely start with half a scoop to assess your tolerance (I'm nonsensical and went with the full scoop personally the first time, I figured that I've used GABA and mucuna at relatively potent doses for awhile that my tolerances should be ok). The hung over feeling has started to tame down a fair bit though. Very effective product, if you need something to knock you out, this is a good product to try.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Nope, but Abyss Unparalleled I believe is non-habit forming. The stuff actually gets better the longer you use it which IMO must be the complete opposite of habit forming :P
    I believe this is what one would call addiction ha
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by propho View Post
    Am I correct in saying taking melatonin regularly is bad in that your body won't naturally produce enough of it afterward?
    Good question. As far as I know, at this time, there aren't any studies to show whether this is true or not. I, for one, would not take melatonin or any product containing melatonin for extended periods (more than 1-2 months) without some break.
    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    Does any one on here regularly take unisom? I have found that to be one of the better non habit forming OTC sleep aids on the market
    There are two different possible drugs Unisom can contain based on the formulation, and one of those two drugs is diphenhydramine, which, once again, is just Benadryl.
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  5. Melatonin has been shown to be non-habit forming in 6 months trials. In fact, users get sensitized to its effects with continuous use

  6. I've used a sleep monitoring app on my phone for a few weeks and the factor that contributed most to a higher proportion of deeper sleep was sleep hygiene. So for example going to bed at the same time, having a relaxing bath before bed and not watching any TV or using the PC at least an hour before bed. Simple I know, but try following a somewhat rigid routine for a few days and you will see improvements.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    I've used a sleep monitoring app on my phone for a few weeks and the factor that contributed most to a higher proportion of deeper sleep was sleep hygiene. So for example going to bed at the same time, having a relaxing bath before bed and not watching any TV or using the PC at least an hour before bed. Simple I know, but try following a somewhat rigid routine for a few days and you will see improvements.
    Did you find that app to be accurate? I'm considering grabbing it

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Did you find that app to be accurate? I'm considering grabbing it
    If you have an Android device, Sleep Bot is solid.

  9. Sleep is for the weak
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Sleep is for the weak
    Bears sleep all winter and they are pretty bad ass...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Sleep is for the weak
    I can't stay asleep for more than 3-4 hours at a time. Majority of the time I get Around 6 hours of sleep. Sometimes a lot less, sometimes more.

    I agree with your statement thou. Yea I may be tired and fall asleep in my classes and not have energy at work, but that doesn't stop me from moving heavy weight for me

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Did you find that app to be accurate? I'm considering grabbing it
    My sister uses one for the iPhone and says its not great. I use one on the Android called 'sleep for android' and it's very good. It could be the combination of ultra sensitive motion sensors in the S4 and a better app. The graphs and stats on it a pretty good - would be right up your street!

  13. I'd be interested to know if there are any supplements that can mitigate some of the side effects of working third shift, besides the obvious melatonin. I don't really have trouble falling asleep but no matter how much sleep I get, I'm always tired. My biggest problem is waking up. I literally have four alarms at my bedside and one is a sonic boom and there are days I don't hear any of them.

    And then on the weekend's of course, to have a normal social life I have to pretty much flip flop my schedule, which is equivalent to jet lag all weekend. So if there were any supplements that would help mitigate any of that, that would be awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broons View Post
    I'd be interested to know if there are any supplements that can mitigate some of the side effects of working third shift, besides the obvious melatonin. I don't really have trouble falling asleep but no matter how much sleep I get, I'm always tired. My biggest problem is waking up. I literally have four alarms at my bedside and one is a sonic boom and there are days I don't hear any of them.

    And then on the weekend's of course, to have a normal social life I have to pretty much flip flop my schedule, which is equivalent to jet lag all weekend. So if there were any supplements that would help mitigate any of that, that would be awesome.
    If your always tired you could be b12 deficient. Could get tested for it

  15. Quote Originally Posted by smoker145 View Post
    If your always tired you could be b12 deficient. Could get tested for it
    That's one of a million potential culprits for the given symptoms

  16. Quote Originally Posted by broons View Post
    I'd be interested to know if there are any supplements that can mitigate some of the side effects of working third shift, besides the obvious melatonin. I don't really have trouble falling asleep but no matter how much sleep I get, I'm always tired. My biggest problem is waking up. I literally have four alarms at my bedside and one is a sonic boom and there are days I don't hear any of them.

    And then on the weekend's of course, to have a normal social life I have to pretty much flip flop my schedule, which is equivalent to jet lag all weekend. So if there were any supplements that would help mitigate any of that, that would be awesome.
    It sounds like the quality of your sleep is the problem, and the only supplements I know of to increase sleep quality work through GABA. Using supplements such as valerian root with lemon balm or my personal favorite l-theanine could potentially work well for you, but I'd suggest trying for yourself. Using these could make it harder to wake up in the morning, but have you feeling more rested at the same time, so experimentation is necessary to find your own sweet spot.

    Adrafinil/modafinil would be good for the weekend. They basically allow you to stay awake for an extra couple hours without feeling tired and aren't a classical stimulant like caffeine. Only downsides are tolerance, heavy use of adrafinil can increase liver enzymes, and modafinil is expensive from India or you have to get a prescription for having shift work disorder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post

    That's one of a million potential culprits for the given symptoms
    One down. 999,999 to go

  18. Quote Originally Posted by smoker145 View Post

    One down. 999,999 to go
    Fair enough. However a succinct thorough blood panel work up could help eliminate more possibilities. Also he could look at what he's eating for potential food intolerances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post

    Fair enough. However a succinct thorough blood panel work up could help eliminate more possibilities. Also he could look at what he's eating for potential food intolerances.
    I agree.
  

  
 

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