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    Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post
    HSW will be here tomorrow. ill get back with taste/consistency
    Same actually. Ordered 500 grams along with some cissus. I've ordered yohimbine, caff, and beta-alanine from there before, was legit.

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    ok HSW tmg slightly sugary taste.. very fine white/off-white powder. seems legit
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    If exposed to heat, then it will start to smell a little fishy. Just found that due to leaving my stash in my truck. Otherwise, still tastes fine though.
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    Anybody know how much of Finafelx's Max Pump is betaine and how much of it are nitrates per dose (3 grams I recall)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Anybody know how much of Finafelx's Max Pump is betaine and how much of it are nitrates per dose (3 grams I recall)?
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    betaine~117 g/mol
    nitrate~62 g/mol

    2.
    1:1

    3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post
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    betaine~117 g/mol
    nitrate~62 g/mol

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    math
    1. Don't really know what that means. Molecular weight?

    2. This I'm guessing means gram for gram it's a 1:1 ratio? Or is #1 the molecular weights for betaine and nitrate respectively and thus if it's a 1:1 ratio of betaine to nitrate then using the weights you've mentioned I could figure it out? That is assuming if I actually knew what g/mol meant.

    3. I would have done the math if I knew there were math to be done. For all I know, the product could be using a different ratio than 1:1 (if that's even possible, not at that level of science yet).
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    ZirRed, curious how 2.5g/day was arrived at? Did you start lower then just work up? Go past 3g then come back down...?
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    Dose is determined by athletes body weight. There is some previous research which demonstrates an efficient dose as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post

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    betaine~117 g/mol
    nitrate~62 g/mol

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    Its not 1:1
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    ZirRed, curious how 2.5g/day was arrived at? Did you start lower then just work up? Go past 3g then come back down...?
    All the previous research that showed improvements in performance were carried out at 2.5. It would be interesting to compare performance differences at 2.5g to say...5g and maybe even 7.5g. I should do that next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    All the previous research that showed improvements in performance were carried out at 2.5. It would be interesting to compare performance differences at 2.5g to say...5g and maybe even 7.5g. I should do that next.
    I'm sorry - I just do not recall - do you suggest TMG with food or on an empty stomach or does it appear t make no difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    I'm sorry - I just do not recall - do you suggest TMG with food or on an empty stomach or does it appear t make no difference?
    No difference
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    No difference
    Thank you.

    I usually take it on an empty stomach, and then follow with Jarrow B-Right w/ food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post

    All the previous research that showed improvements in performance were carried out at 2.5. It would be interesting to compare performance differences at 2.5g to say...5g and maybe even 7.5g. I should do that next.
    Oooh, yes. Yes you should
    And thanks for the reply sir...
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    So who makes a good pill form of this supplement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    So who makes a good pill form of this supplement?
    I've been using Max Pump for a little more than a week now. I like it. Feels like a good dose of nitrates and I'm pretty sure the 4 caps suggested serving gets you to 2.5 grams of betaine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    So who makes a good pill form of this supplement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla99 View Post
    SNS is coming out with one

    Nice. Would you happen to know the ETA for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    Nice. Would you happen to know the ETA for that?
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    Milk is for babies. Real men drink betaine...

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    Has anyone tried taking a higher dose? Currently I have started taking 2.5g a day and was wondering if the results would be enhanced at 5g
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    Pill form is more convenient to me. Waiting on SNS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katch22 View Post
    Has anyone tried taking a higher dose? Currently I have started taking 2.5g a day and was wondering if the results would be enhanced at 5g
    Why not just stick with 2.5 grams? That is the dose that was used in the study and showed great benefits.

    I believe ZirRed is going to perform other studies with a higher dose, but until then just stick to the recommended dose.

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    I went up to 5g after taking with ZirRed about it. I didn't really notice anything remarkable above the 2.5g I normally take nowadays, but I only tried that high of a dose once (for 6 weeks).
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    2.5g it is then
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    Pill form is more convenient to me. Waiting on SNS.
    Max Pump. I think the 4 cap dose gets you efficacious dosing of both nitrates and betaine. Any Finaflex reps care to confirm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    Pill form is more convenient to me. Waiting on SNS.
    Should be out in the near future.
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    It doesn't taste bad so powder or capsule doesn't make a diff to me. Has like a slightly sugary pleasant flavor imo
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    I've been doing 3g/day for a couple weeks now...only bc they are 1g tabs and don't want to mess with breaking them in half..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post

    Should be out in the near future.
    In4 Betaine XT..
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    bump. I've read that betaine augments the effects of creatine. I've been doing 2.5 pre and 1g post w/ mono. I guess we need to experiment ourselves to find the sweet spot, until more research comes out.
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    I'm actually looking to do a dose response study with 2.5g as the top, and then exploring .5 and 1.5g, hopefully this summer.

    Did you notice any GI distress Bolt10?
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    By the way, as we try to more closely determine mechanism of action, this is a very interesting study:

    http://www.translational-medicine.com/content/11/1/174

    Here we see betaine agonizing the IGF-1 receptor to increase protein synthesis and promote satellite cell proliferation, differentiation, and likely fusion. This would result in hypertrophy and decreased domain size (each myofiber nuclei would control less area, which might mean more precise control). Basically, here we see betaine mimicking the actions of IGF-1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I'm actually looking to do a dose response study with 2.5g as the top, and then exploring .5 and 1.5g, hopefully this summer.

    Did you notice any GI distress Bolt10?
    I noticed some initially, but it wasn't horrible and seemed to subside with continued use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I noticed some initially, but it wasn't horrible and seemed to subside with continued use.
    Same here though I tried 7grams on an empty stomach...not a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Same here though I tried 7grams on an empty stomach...not a good idea.
    Even 3.75g gave me issues.
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    I do 6 grams a day with no issues

    now tmg
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    Weird question, but has anyone else noticed or been told they smell like maple syrup while using TMG? I'm 3 weeks in using 3g/day...my wife tells me I smell like that, like it's coming out of my pores...it's been really the only thing I've added in...though I'm also using alphamine, which makes me sweat pretty easily...
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