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  1. Jason, I am interested to know if you have a hypothesis to any reasoning behind the differences between microcycle 2 and microcycles 1 and 3 in terms of results?
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  2. Congrats matey
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  3. great post
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Jason, I am interested to know if you have a hypothesis to any reasoning behind the differences between microcycle 2 and microcycles 1 and 3 in terms of results?
    I discussed a few things in the text. One thought was that perhaps betaine works best for moderate-higher rep training (hypertrophy 8-12) that creates a larger metabolic demand vs. lower rep training (4-6 as micro cycle 2 was) that creates a smaller metabolic demand. that was for the upper body.

  5. ZR,

    I take TMG (750 mg) three times a day; each time with a Jarrow B-Right.

    Do you have any thoughts or observations as to synergy between TMG and B-Complex?

  6. Improved Hcy metabolism. Which, based on our study results, likely isn't going to enhance gains (it won't hurt them by any means, though).

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Improved Hcy metabolism. Which, based on our study results, likely isn't going to enhance gains (it won't hurt them by any means, though).
    Great, that is the reason I am taking the two together. The joy of having a family history of heart disease.....

  8. Only tried TMG in the form of Condense, so not really sure how it will taste in bulk. I did some research and most say it has a mild sweet taste.

    Ordered bulk TMG from a big UK supplier and just tried some in water.. it's so sour it's undrinkable.. I mean, it's so sour, I had to spit it out.
    Tried to mask the taste with whey, but the taste is just awful.

    I've looked into HCL and apparently it has that sour taste.. did I get the wrong kind of Betaine?

    The bag says TRIMETHYLGLYCINE POWDER (TMG) and the content looks a bit like sugar.

    Any suggestions to get it to go down quicker?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bdybldnaam View Post
    Only tried TMG in the form of Condense, so not really sure how it will taste in bulk. I did some research and most say it has a mild sweet taste.

    Ordered bulk TMG from a big UK supplier and just tried some in water.. it's so sour it's undrinkable.. I mean, it's so sour, I had to spit it out.
    Tried to mask the taste with whey, but the taste is just awful.

    I've looked into HCL and apparently it has that sour taste.. did I get the wrong kind of Betaine?

    The bag says TRIMETHYLGLYCINE POWDER (TMG) and the content looks a bit like sugar.

    Any suggestions to get it to go down quicker?
    I am not doubting your experience, but the bulk TMG I have is very bland, with maybe slightly sweet overtones.

    It is NOTHING like what you are describing.

  10. Thx Beau.

    This is def not mild. Lol.
    Nothing can mask this taste and it def not sweet.
    Very sour and acidic.

    Will try and contact them and hear what they have to say.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bdybldnaam View Post
    Only tried TMG in the form of Condense, so not really sure how it will taste in bulk. I did some research and most say it has a mild sweet taste.

    Ordered bulk TMG from a big UK supplier and just tried some in water.. it's so sour it's undrinkable.. I mean, it's so sour, I had to spit it out.
    Tried to mask the taste with whey, but the taste is just awful.

    I've looked into HCL and apparently it has that sour taste.. did I get the wrong kind of Betaine?

    The bag says TRIMETHYLGLYCINE POWDER (TMG) and the content looks a bit like sugar.

    Any suggestions to get it to go down quicker?
    Make sure you get Betaine Anhydrous and not Betaine HCl.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    Make sure you get Betaine Anhydrous and not Betaine HCl.
    Good catch - I din't even think about that as a possibility.

    I can't only imagine Betaine HCL might taste like holy heck.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Good catch - I din't even think about that as a possibility.

    I can't only imagine Betaine HCL might taste like holy heck.
    I meant if you're looking to supplement Betaine, use the anhydrous form. I've never had bulk Betaine so I have no idea what it tastes like.
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  14. It's definitely the right kind I ordered. Betaine Anhydrous (TMG).

    But I'm starting to think I got HCL marked as TMG..

  15. My bulk TMG from HSW has a very mild, sweet flavor.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by bdybldnaam View Post
    It's definitely the right kind I ordered. Betaine Anhydrous (TMG).

    But I'm starting to think I got HCL marked as TMG..
    If it tastes acidic, then you got HCL. Which you don't want.
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  17. I'm actually quite shocked that the powder is marked TMG, if it's indeed HCL.

    They are one of the biggest distributors of bulk supplements in Europe and that's a mistake they shouldn't make.

    But I can tell you that I still had that acidic feeling/taste in my mouth/throat till I went out to dinner.. just awful..
    Perhaps the worst tasting supplement I've ever had. Lol.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bdybldnaam View Post
    I'm actually quite shocked that the powder is marked TMG, if it's indeed HCL.

    They are one of the biggest distributors of bulk supplements in Europe and that's a mistake they shouldn't make.

    But I can tell you that I still had that acidic feeling/taste in my mouth/throat till I went out to dinner.. just awful..
    Perhaps the worst tasting supplement I've ever had. Lol.
    It's HCl. Betaine anhydrous tastes like a weak sugar
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  19. Thx guys.

    Will update when I get a response from the supplier.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bdybldnaam View Post
    I'm actually quite shocked that the powder is marked TMG, if it's indeed HCL.

    They are one of the biggest distributors of bulk supplements in Europe and that's a mistake they shouldn't make.

    But I can tell you that I still had that acidic feeling/taste in my mouth/throat till I went out to dinner.. just awful..
    Perhaps the worst tasting supplement I've ever had. Lol.
    I can't compare, but several years ago I took some ALA in powder form - and it wasn't too pleasant.

  21. You should look into a capsule machine. Might seem expensive at first but definitely saves you money over the long term if you tend to buy bulk powders.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    You should look into a capsule machine. Might seem expensive at first but definitely saves you money over the long term if you tend to buy bulk powders.
    This.

    A capsule machine and milligram scale are must-buys for anybody who plans on buying many bulk powders.

    Compared to what you'll spend on supplements in a year/decades and what you'll save over that span buying bulk powders it's a no brainer.
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  23. I use cap m quick. Its kind of a pain but gets the job done
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  24. Another benefit of TMG...better sleep. I was having lackluster sleep for the last few weeks until my TMG arrived. Not such a fan of taking it in the daytime as it seems to make me tired/grouchy, but if I take it before bed on an empty stomach I sleep way deeper with much less waking up. I can get 7 hours and feel refreshed. I might try to stack it with L-Dopa and melatonin to see if the effect can be enhanced for both sleep and HGH release.

  25. Interesting i did not know this.
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  26. Well, I don't think it's been researched per se, but anecdotally it seems to be helping me a lot in the sleep department. I went from having a really hard time going to sleep, waking up numerous times during the night and waking up before my alarm to crashing out about 45 minutes after dosing TMG and sleeping like a rock.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Well, I don't think it's been researched per se, but anecdotally it seems to be helping me a lot in the sleep department. I went from having a really hard time going to sleep, waking up numerous times during the night and waking up before my alarm to crashing out about 45 minutes after dosing TMG and sleeping like a rock.
    Do methyl group donor's have any effect on sleep quality?
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Well, I don't think it's been researched per se, but anecdotally it seems to be helping me a lot in the sleep department. I went from having a really hard time going to sleep, waking up numerous times during the night and waking up before my alarm to crashing out about 45 minutes after dosing TMG and sleeping like a rock.
    Well as long as its working!
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  29. what happens after 6 weeks of 2.5g/TMG supplementation?
    does it keep on improving or does it halt?

    might just make this a staple like creatine and take it the same way

  30. Quote Originally Posted by bananaClip View Post
    what happens after 6 weeks of 2.5g/TMG supplementation?
    does it keep on improving or does it halt?

    might just make this a staple like creatine and take it the same way

    We didn't measure past 6 weeks. Here is my thought.
    Initial weight and volume gain is in the first 2 weeks due to cellular swelling.
    Over time, that cellular swelling yields improved mechanical output, crossbridge cycling, and protein synthesis, which should yield more myofibril proteins (muscle gain irrespective of water increases).
    There are no receptors to be down regulated, and you get some in your diet, so I would think you could keep using it.

  31. Does time of dosing matter?

  32. Quote Originally Posted by bdybldnaam View Post
    Does time of dosing matter?
    i think not, since you get some in your diet

  33. Quote Originally Posted by bdybldnaam View Post
    Does time of dosing matter?
    It appears to acutely affect hormones in a manner that would be most beneficial preworkout
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  34. Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Another benefit of TMG...better sleep. I was having lackluster sleep for the last few weeks until my TMG arrived. Not such a fan of taking it in the daytime as it seems to make me tired/grouchy, but if I take it before bed on an empty stomach I sleep way deeper with much less waking up. I can get 7 hours and feel refreshed. I might try to stack it with L-Dopa and melatonin to see if the effect can be enhanced for both sleep and HGH release.
    TestPowder has both TMG and L-Dopa.. I enjoy taking it before bed as long as I know I can fall asleep quickly. If The L-Dopa hits me before I pass out I have a really hard time getting to sleep. I have been sleeping great lately but test powder has agmatine, tmg, daa, and l-dopa.. so it's hard to say which is impacting sleep the most. (I'd put my money on the dopa from previous experience)

  35. Where's all the bulk tmg?!? Hard to find a legit source...

  36. Quote Originally Posted by Ginandtonic View Post
    Where's all the bulk tmg?!? Hard to find a legit source...
    HSW will be here tomorrow. ill get back with taste/consistency

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Ginandtonic View Post
    Where's all the bulk tmg?!? Hard to find a legit source...
    They are out their. For example, sometime we need to be Smart about where we buy our Powders.

  38. Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post

    They are out their. For example, sometime we need to be Smart about where we buy our Powders.
    I was smart about where I got my powder once. The tmg smelled like fish food and was beige... Does that sound legit? Lol. Was about 5-6 years ago though

  39. nutraplanet doesn't have anything..
    Anyone have a good source they'd like to share?

  40. For the love of all thats good, I hope this doesn't anger anyone - but I would check:

    SP (Smart)
    HR (Rhino)
    NB (Bio)

    But even Vitacost has powdered TMG.
  

  
 

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