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    Picked up some rhodiola extract to try and help relieve some cortisol and belly fat

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    What would be the best dosing scheme for daily use. I've read mixed info when it comes to mg/day in regards to % extract ... Thanks
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    At that % extract 1-2 caps in the morning on an empty stomach. You'll probably have to experiment to find your sweet spot depending on your needs. Lower doses of RR are energizing, while higher doses are sedating...but that will depend on your sensitivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    At that % extract 1-2 caps in the morning on an empty stomach. You'll probably have to experiment to find your sweet spot depending on your needs. Lower doses of RR are energizing, while higher doses are sedating...but that will depend on your sensitivity.
    I would do 2 cap pre workout. N watch endurance go up
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    At that % extract 1-2 caps in the morning on an empty stomach. You'll probably have to experiment to find your sweet spot depending on your needs. Lower doses of RR are energizing, while higher doses are sedating...but that will depend on your sensitivity.
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    I would do 2 cap pre workout. N watch endurance go up
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    I was leaning towards one cap am (pre workout) and another with my last meal of the day close to bed
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    You're not gonna get the results you desire as rhodiola has no effect on belly fat, but use 2 caps daily, either together or split
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    Ched, I thought you had bad reactions to cortisol lowering products. Your ergobolic experience?.
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    Rhodiola WILL NOT appreciably lower cortisol. Then again, ergobolic should also have had minimal effect since its adaptogen-based (optimizes levels rather than lowering them, per se)
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Ched, I thought you had bad reactions to cortisol lowering products. Your ergobolic experience?.
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    Rhodiola WILL NOT appreciably lower cortisol. Then again, ergobolic should also have had minimal effect since its adaptogen-based (optimizes levels rather than lowering them, per se)
    Well I've always had great results when using products with rhodiola.. I'm not sure wtf happened with ergobolic but yea I did not respond well. I know rhodiola does not illicit the same effect in me though. If anything, it'll just help with adrenal fatigue symptoms i hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You're not gonna get the results you desire as rhodiola has no effect on belly fat, but use 2 caps daily, either together or split
    I notice a significant leaning effect when I mix it with a few other key herbs . But that hit just gets expensive
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    I notice a significant leaning effect when I mix it with a few other key herbs . But that hit just gets expensive
    Using it with c20, versa1, and AI perform at 2 caps a day for libido support. No hormonals, letting my test work for itself for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post

    Using it with c20, versa1, and AI perform at 2 caps a day for libido support. No hormonals, letting my test work for itself for a while.

    Using ap, alcar, and agmatine as well as curcumin for support supps. Goal is lean bulk
    I like test powder a lot for my daa. Tropinol has been pretty good to me as well

    I liked the c20 versa1 stack. Actually going to run it again. Not to do a shameless plug but have you looked at metabolic powder? Adding that in with increased calories can be your savior with adding pure lean mass and little adipose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    I like test powder a lot for my daa. Tropinol has been pretty good to me as well

    I liked the c20 versa1 stack. Actually going to run it again. Not to do a shameless plug but have you looked at metabolic powder? Adding that in with increased calories can be your savior with adding pure lean mass and little adipose.
    Yep I got test powder on hand for the near future, treats me well. I like the mangosteen or whatever is in there leans me out!

    I looked at the metabolic powder as I love rk, however, I'm not sure garcinia treats my stomach well... Handful of times I've used and get lots of distention and discomfort
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post

    Yep I got test powder on hand for the near future, treats me well. I like the mangosteen or whatever is in there leans me out!

    I looked at the metabolic powder as I love rk, however, I'm not sure garcinia treats my stomach well... Handful of times I've used and get lots of distention and discomfort
    That's interesting. I'm the opposite if I use to much I get constipated
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Well I've always had great results when using products with rhodiola.. I'm not sure wtf happened with ergobolic but yea I did not respond well. I know rhodiola does not illicit the same effect in me though. If anything, it'll just help with adrenal fatigue symptoms i hope.

    I have an apt with a new endo to discuss and hopefully get se tests now that my low test has been fixed via a clomid restart.
    If you have Addison's disease, you need hormone replacement therapy. Otherwise, adrenal fatigue isn't a real condition. Rhodiola simply improves mood secondary to sedative effects + has acute performance benefits
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    If you have Addison's disease, you need hormone replacement therapy. Otherwise, adrenal fatigue isn't a real condition. Rhodiola simply improves mood secondary to sedative effects + has acute performance benefits
    Got it. Would be possible, given my history and the fact that I already have arthritis, one form of an auto immune disease. Making Addison's a likely culprit, no?

    Although I am not experiencing weight loss, nor not really weight gain.. Just horrible recomposition of fat gain and loss roller coaster for no Identifiable reason whatsoever.
    Whatever my issue, I'm
    Willing to bet lots of $$ it's cortisol related since my thyroid numbers come back normal. Whether it is too low or too high cortisol is now the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Got it. Would be possible, given my history and the fact that I already have arthritis, one form of an auto immune disease. Making Addison's a likely culprit, no?

    Although I am not experiencing weight loss, nor not really weight gain.. Just horrible recomposition of fat gain and loss roller coaster for no Identifiable reason whatsoever.
    Whatever my issue, I'm
    Willing to bet lots of $$ it's cortisol related since my thyroid numbers come back normal. Whether it is too low or too high cortisol is now the question.
    Have you talked to your physician? Honestly, with this level of pseudo-science, I'm worried you're gonna self-medicate for the wrong thing. One autoimmune disease definitely does not predispose to another...especially arthritis to addison's LOL. I also highly doubt it's cortisol unless you're truly overtraining
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Have you talked to your physician? Honestly, with this level of pseudo-science, I'm worried you're gonna self-medicate for the wrong thing. One autoimmune disease definitely does not predispose to another...especially arthritis to addison's LOL. I also highly doubt it's cortisol unless you're truly overtraining
    I have but I can't get any more tests done til after I get hired (or not).

    I over trained for soo long, and under ate. I think my ability to recover is just so bad after all the abuse I put my body through. It seems that the harder I train, the worse off I get. I'm not gonna medicate for anything else, was just curious about adding the rhodiola in as a band aid til I can get the proper tests done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I have but I can't get any more tests done til after I get hired (or not).

    I over trained for soo long, and under ate. I think my ability to recover is just so bad after all the abuse I put my body through. It seems that the harder I train, the worse off I get. I'm not gonna medicate for anything else, was just curious about adding the rhodiola in as a band aid til I can get the proper tests done.
    How is your training like now? Post up your weekly lifting + cardio, let's start there. Cals/protein/carbs/fat too
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    How is your training like now? Post up your weekly lifting + cardio, let's start there. Cals/protein/carbs/fat too
    This is all in a thread I started 'skinny fat help' lemme find link
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    All that info is on the first page cy
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    The answer is right in front of you. You are low carbing and low fatting. You have quite literally no good substrates for energy production. You have to learn from past mistakes man. You need to pretty much double your caloric intake, but doing so immediately may result in some rebound weight gain. Thus, focus on adding 50-100 calories a week (as pure carbs or carbs + fat) for a few months
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The answer is right in front of you. You are low carbing and low fatting. You have quite literally no good substrates for energy production. You have to learn from past mistakes man. You need to pretty much double your caloric intake, but doing so immediately may result in some rebound weight gain. Thus, focus on adding 50-100 calories a week (as pure carbs or carbs + fat) for a few months
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The answer is right in front of you. You are low carbing and low fatting. You have quite literally no good substrates for energy production. You have to learn from past mistakes man. You need to pretty much double your caloric intake, but doing so immediately may result in some rebound weight gain. Thus, focus on adding 50-100 calories a week (as pure carbs or carbs + fat) for a few months
    Yea I figured as much. Crazy bc it feels like I'm eating so much for real.. Pretty crazy stuff man. You always steer me in the right direction tho!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Yea I figured as much. Crazy bc it feels like I'm eating so much for real.. Pretty crazy stuff man. You always steer me in the right direction tho!
    Getting a significant surplus of calories from primarily clean foods is a rather herculean task imo..An easy way to get a good balance of macros in a meal w/o feeling like a feast is to get a blended protein powder (1-2 scoops) milk (almond or regular whole milk) 1-2 tbsp EVOO, 2 tbsp natty pb.. +/-800 calories right there..
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    But as Coop said, you need to slowly work up your calories and let your metabolism acclimate itself, or else you will have some unwanted adipose accumulation.. Going from bulking to dieting is the opposite.. Cut cals immediately and take advantage of the revved up metabo..
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    And btw ched, I'm willing to bet your cortisol IS through the roof. This is because you have inadequate fat/carb intake, so your body must convert skeletal muscle protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis.

    DO NOT attempt to reduce cortisol. This excess cortisol release is pretty much the only thing keeping you alive with that kind of radical diet. Without cortisol, you'd risk progressive neural decline
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    And btw ched, I'm willing to bet your cortisol IS through the roof. This is because you have inadequate fat/carb intake, so your body must convert skeletal muscle protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis.

    DO NOT attempt to reduce cortisol. This excess cortisol release is pretty much the only thing keeping you alive with that kind of radical diet. Without cortisol, you'd risk progressive neural decline
    ^^ this big time
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    And btw ched, I'm willing to bet your cortisol IS through the roof. This is because you have inadequate fat/carb intake, so your body must convert skeletal muscle protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis.

    DO NOT attempt to reduce cortisol. This excess cortisol release is pretty much the only thing keeping you alive with that kind of radical diet. Without cortisol, you'd risk progressive neural decline
    That sounds not good. So ill just keep adding cals like u said then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post

    That sounds not good. So ill just keep adding cals like u said then.
    Start w/ a ~ 5-10% increase for 2 weeka
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    Picked up some Ezekiel bread to start having sandwiches instead of turkey n Swiss wrapped in lettuce lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Picked up some Ezekiel bread to start having sandwiches instead of turkey n Swiss wrapped in lettuce lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Dear god man!
    Majority of carbs were coming from brown rice, Greek yogurt, fruits and veg. Not many starchy carb sources which I'm assuming are needed for myself at this time..? But I cook everything with coconut oil and evoo.. Sometimes a little butter
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Majority of carbs were coming from brown rice, Greek yogurt, fruits and veg. Not many starchy carb sources which I'm assuming are needed for myself at this time..? But I cook everything with coconut oil and evoo.. Sometimes a little butter
    I always found this funny: the dogma is to avoid starchy carbs. Starchy carbs ARE low GI carbs (brown rice is a starch FYI). By avoiding starchy carbs, you're left with what? Sugar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I always found this funny: the dogma is to avoid starchy carbs. Starchy carbs ARE low GI carbs (brown rice is a starch FYI). By avoiding starchy carbs, you're left with what? Sugar.
    You Are entirely correct lol. I haven't had refined or fake sugar in years. But the fruit and dairy is definitely a big contributor. I go thru a pint of blueberries every day more or less. And about 2 cups of Greek yogurt a day is like 18 grams of sugar right there from dairy. U think that should be reduced and replaced w more low gi carbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    You Are entirely correct lol. I haven't had refined or fake sugar in years. But the fruit and dairy is definitely a big contributor. I go thru a pint of blueberries every day more or less. And about 2 cups of Greek yogurt a day is like 18 grams of sugar right there from dairy. U think that should be reduced and replaced w more low gi carbs?
    I think there's no difference. It's just funny that starches get this reputation, yet the most beneficial carbs you can eat are generally starches, health-wise (I'm not considering veggies as carbs because they're mostly fiber and water).
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    You Are entirely correct lol. I haven't had refined or fake sugar in years. But the fruit and dairy is definitely a big contributor. I go thru a pint of blueberries every day more or less. And about 2 cups of Greek yogurt a day is like 18 grams of sugar right there from dairy. U think that should be reduced and replaced w more low gi carbs?
    I'd keep the high GI carbs around your workout window or first thing in the morning when you'll be more insulin sensitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I'd keep the high GI carbs around your workout window or first thing in the morning when you'll be more insulin sensitive.
    This is false. Insulin sensitivity remains elevated in muscle tissue postworkout for as long as it takes for glycogen to be replenished, be it 1 hour or 10 days.

    In the morning, fat tissue is more insulin sensitive too so it's a moot point
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is false. Insulin sensitivity remains elevated in muscle tissue postworkout for as long as it takes for glycogen to be replenished, be it 1 hour or 10 days.

    In the morning, fat tissue is more insulin sensitive too so it's a moot point
    Would it not be most beneficial to consume the carbs peri/post workout b/c of exercise induced glut 4 translocation?

    I'd like some more info about the fat tissue sensitivity part. I was always under the impression that skeletal muscle would be the preferred storage compartment for fasted glucose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Would it not be most beneficial to consume the carbs peri/post workout b/c of exercise induced glut 4 translocation?

    I'd like some more info about the fat tissue sensitivity part. I was always under the impression that skeletal muscle would be the preferred storage compartment for fasted glucose.
    Glut4 is translocated in response to prior glycogen depletion. Timing is completely irrelevant.

    Glucose cannot be stored in adipocytes, that's not its function in fat tissue...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Glut4 is translocated in response to prior glycogen depletion. Timing is completely irrelevant.

    Glucose cannot be stored in adipocytes, that's not its function in fat tissue...
    Thought we had glut 4 on both skeletal muscle and adipocytes


    So its not necessarily a "muscular contraction" induced trans location. The rep-scheme and energy pathway utilized dictates it... It's more of a "this cell is depleted of glycogen and I need more" trans location

    So the high-er repetition glycogen depleting workouts would facilitate the most insulin sensitive environment, yes?
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    So the increased concentration of FFA's in the blood during a fast is the cause for impaired insulin sensitivity

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