Rhodiola dosing

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Dear god man!
    Majority of carbs were coming from brown rice, Greek yogurt, fruits and veg. Not many starchy carb sources which I'm assuming are needed for myself at this time..? But I cook everything with coconut oil and evoo.. Sometimes a little butter


  2. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Majority of carbs were coming from brown rice, Greek yogurt, fruits and veg. Not many starchy carb sources which I'm assuming are needed for myself at this time..? But I cook everything with coconut oil and evoo.. Sometimes a little butter
    I always found this funny: the dogma is to avoid starchy carbs. Starchy carbs ARE low GI carbs (brown rice is a starch FYI). By avoiding starchy carbs, you're left with what? Sugar.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I always found this funny: the dogma is to avoid starchy carbs. Starchy carbs ARE low GI carbs (brown rice is a starch FYI). By avoiding starchy carbs, you're left with what? Sugar.
    You Are entirely correct lol. I haven't had refined or fake sugar in years. But the fruit and dairy is definitely a big contributor. I go thru a pint of blueberries every day more or less. And about 2 cups of Greek yogurt a day is like 18 grams of sugar right there from dairy. U think that should be reduced and replaced w more low gi carbs?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    You Are entirely correct lol. I haven't had refined or fake sugar in years. But the fruit and dairy is definitely a big contributor. I go thru a pint of blueberries every day more or less. And about 2 cups of Greek yogurt a day is like 18 grams of sugar right there from dairy. U think that should be reduced and replaced w more low gi carbs?
    I think there's no difference. It's just funny that starches get this reputation, yet the most beneficial carbs you can eat are generally starches, health-wise (I'm not considering veggies as carbs because they're mostly fiber and water).

  5. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    You Are entirely correct lol. I haven't had refined or fake sugar in years. But the fruit and dairy is definitely a big contributor. I go thru a pint of blueberries every day more or less. And about 2 cups of Greek yogurt a day is like 18 grams of sugar right there from dairy. U think that should be reduced and replaced w more low gi carbs?
    I'd keep the high GI carbs around your workout window or first thing in the morning when you'll be more insulin sensitive.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I'd keep the high GI carbs around your workout window or first thing in the morning when you'll be more insulin sensitive.
    This is false. Insulin sensitivity remains elevated in muscle tissue postworkout for as long as it takes for glycogen to be replenished, be it 1 hour or 10 days.

    In the morning, fat tissue is more insulin sensitive too so it's a moot point

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is false. Insulin sensitivity remains elevated in muscle tissue postworkout for as long as it takes for glycogen to be replenished, be it 1 hour or 10 days.

    In the morning, fat tissue is more insulin sensitive too so it's a moot point
    Would it not be most beneficial to consume the carbs peri/post workout b/c of exercise induced glut 4 translocation?

    I'd like some more info about the fat tissue sensitivity part. I was always under the impression that skeletal muscle would be the preferred storage compartment for fasted glucose.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Would it not be most beneficial to consume the carbs peri/post workout b/c of exercise induced glut 4 translocation?

    I'd like some more info about the fat tissue sensitivity part. I was always under the impression that skeletal muscle would be the preferred storage compartment for fasted glucose.
    Glut4 is translocated in response to prior glycogen depletion. Timing is completely irrelevant.

    Glucose cannot be stored in adipocytes, that's not its function in fat tissue...

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Glut4 is translocated in response to prior glycogen depletion. Timing is completely irrelevant.

    Glucose cannot be stored in adipocytes, that's not its function in fat tissue...
    Thought we had glut 4 on both skeletal muscle and adipocytes


    So its not necessarily a "muscular contraction" induced trans location. The rep-scheme and energy pathway utilized dictates it... It's more of a "this cell is depleted of glycogen and I need more" trans location

    So the high-er repetition glycogen depleting workouts would facilitate the most insulin sensitive environment, yes?

  10. So the increased concentration of FFA's in the blood during a fast is the cause for impaired insulin sensitivity

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17285001

  11. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    So the increased concentration of FFA's in the blood during a fast is the cause for impaired insulin sensitivity

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17285001
    It specifically state insulin resistance in adipose tissue causes the high influx of FFA. I believe only a few ingredients result cause that naringenin being one of them.

    I think it's only an excessive amount that will cause the problem with signaling pathway. Circulating triglycerides causes a host of different problems one of which is leptin resistance in the brain

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    So the increased concentration of FFA's in the blood during a fast is the cause for impaired insulin sensitivity

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17285001
    We are talking physiology here, not pubmed. Pubmed is a great way to put a myopic spin on a complex concept

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Thought we had glut 4 on both skeletal muscle and adipocytes

    So its not necessarily a "muscular contraction" induced trans location. The rep-scheme and energy pathway utilized dictates it... It's more of a "this cell is depleted of glycogen and I need more" trans location

    So the high-er repetition glycogen depleting workouts would facilitate the most insulin sensitive environment, yes?
    Glut 4 is a glucose transporter, not a storage mechanism.

    Yes, glycogen status determines skeletal muscle insulin sensitivity.

    It's not about reps, it's about total workload in the range of glycogenolysis/glycolysis

  14. Awesome info here

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Glut 4 is a glucose transporter, not a storage mechanism.

    Yes, glycogen status determines skeletal muscle insulin sensitivity.

    It's not about reps, it's about total workload in the range of glycogenolysis/glycolysis
    Okay that makes sense

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    We are talking physiology here, not pubmed. Pubmed is a great way to put a myopic spin on a complex concept

  17. To the OP, assuming you have gotten your diet in check and gotten to an adequate cal intake, I would try AX's Lean Fx if you want to try and lower cortisol levels. I have used Rhodiola, I take it for the calming effects, but like others have said, it doesnt do anything to lower cortisol levels

  18. Quote Originally Posted by gymratluke View Post
    To the OP, assuming you have gotten your diet in check and gotten to an adequate cal intake, I would try AX's Lean Fx if you want to try and lower cortisol levels. I have used Rhodiola, I take it for the calming effects, but like others have said, it doesnt do anything to lower cortisol levels
    Please re-read the thread before making a brash suggestion. Lowering cortisol is the last thing OP wants to do. Also, this is the science section.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Please re-read the thread before making a brash suggestion. Lowering cortisol is the last thing OP wants to do. Also, this is the science section.
    Its the last thing he wants to do when on a low carb low fat diet...correct. Once his diet is in check, what would the problem be with lowering Cortisol levels??

  20. Quote Originally Posted by gymratluke View Post
    To the OP, assuming you have gotten your diet in check and gotten to an adequate cal intake, I would try AX's Lean Fx if you want to try and lower cortisol levels. I have used Rhodiola, I take it for the calming effects, but like others have said, it doesnt do anything to lower cortisol levels
    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Please re-read the thread before making a brash suggestion. Lowering cortisol is the last thing OP wants to do. Also, this is the science section.
    Yea I know that's not what I need to do.

    I am feeling great I've been eating very well and increased quality calories.. Feel like a million bucks honestly. Added in HMB to the rhodiola as well. Feeling and looking very great.

    Possible that erase could have been lowering my cort too much? I am not sure if it works on that at all or just estrogen. I stopped using it about 5 days ago and have actually leaned out and dropped water..... I was using 3 caps a day for 8 weeks.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by gymratluke View Post
    Its the last thing he wants to do when on a low carb low fat diet...correct. Once his diet is in check, what would the problem be with lowering Cortisol levels??
    He's chronically overtained. Unless you're giving advice that he should follow 6-12 months from now, hold off on the AX plugging (especially in the science section)

  22. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    He's chronically overtained. Unless you're giving advice that he should follow 6-12 months from now, hold off on the AX plugging (especially in the science section)
    Copy that! I got nothing but respect for you after reading many of your posts, so I will listen to what you say! Can you help me out by explaining what would be the harm in using a cort blocker when severely over trained? I understand why he wouldnt want to take one while on a high protein low carb/fat diet, but once diets in check, and his training is on par, what would the harm keeping his catabolic hormones in check? Im always eager to learn =)

  23. Quote Originally Posted by gymratluke View Post
    Copy that! I got nothing but respect for you after reading many of your posts, so I will listen to what you say! Can you help me out by explaining what would be the harm in using a cort blocker when severely over trained? I understand why he wouldnt want to take one while on a high protein low carb/fat diet, but once diets in check, and his training is on par, what would the harm keeping his catabolic hormones in check? Im always eager to learn =)
    The reason I am truly asking...I am 2 weeks from US Nationals, Im dieting hard(high fat/Low Carb) and I work a physical job(landscaping) and I have to throw 5 days a week on top of lifting 4 days a week, with cardio after each lifting session, so I know I am severely overtrained at the moment, but I am using my LeanFx as usual, and if I should be cutting this out, I def will do. I still have to lose another 6lbs in 13 days in order to be safe to make weight. Any advice is much appreciate

  24. Quote Originally Posted by gymratluke View Post
    Copy that! I got nothing but respect for you after reading many of your posts, so I will listen to what you say! Can you help me out by explaining what would be the harm in using a cort blocker when severely over trained? I understand why he wouldnt want to take one while on a high protein low carb/fat diet, but once diets in check, and his training is on par, what would the harm keeping his catabolic hormones in check? Im always eager to learn =)
    During a state of overtraining, cortisol is elevated beyond normal range as a compensatory response to the negative metabolic adaptations that are taking place (increased ROS, lack of ATP substrates). Cortisol digs into the body's stored energy (fat/protein) to release adequate glucose to preserve brain function during this time of increased stress. Cortisol is thus known as the "stress" hormone, and the body produces it for good reason: to cope with stress. Thus, there is a difference between optimizing cortisol (i.e. prevent it from spiking for trivial matters like an exam score) versus reducing cortisol in a time of actual need.

    For your goals, cortisol control isn't necessarily a bad idea. It's not healthy, but people sacrifice a little health to compete in bodybuilding competitions anyway.

  25. I gotcha! Thanks for the info!

    Im not a bodybuilder any more tho, Im a Highland Games Heavy Events Athlete, so basically a cross between Strongman/ Throwing Decathlete

  26. Serving Size: 1 Vcap® Servings Per Container: 60 Rhodiola ( Rhodiola rosea ) Extract (Root) (Standardized to min. 3% Total Rosavins and min. 1% Salidrosides) 500 mg * * Percent Daily Values are based on 2,000 calorie diet.


    Is that too high a dose for chronic administration?

    I'm currently using

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    One cap twice a day.

    But for economic purposes I want to order some rhodiola on a Labor Day sale... Thx

  27. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Serving Size: 1 Vcap® Servings Per Container: 60 Rhodiola ( Rhodiola rosea ) Extract (Root) (Standardized to min. 3% Total Rosavins and min. 1% Salidrosides) 500 mg * * Percent Daily Values are based on 2,000 calorie diet.

    Is that too high a dose for chronic administration?

    I'm currently using

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    One cap twice a day.

    But for economic purposes I want to order some rhodiola on a Labor Day sale... Thx
    For chronic use I'd do 1 cap a day

    I'd dose it pre workout about 45 min priot
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