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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    And btw ched, I'm willing to bet your cortisol IS through the roof. This is because you have inadequate fat/carb intake, so your body must convert skeletal muscle protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis.

    DO NOT attempt to reduce cortisol. This excess cortisol release is pretty much the only thing keeping you alive with that kind of radical diet. Without cortisol, you'd risk progressive neural decline
    ^^ this big time


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    And btw ched, I'm willing to bet your cortisol IS through the roof. This is because you have inadequate fat/carb intake, so your body must convert skeletal muscle protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis.

    DO NOT attempt to reduce cortisol. This excess cortisol release is pretty much the only thing keeping you alive with that kind of radical diet. Without cortisol, you'd risk progressive neural decline
    That sounds not good. So ill just keep adding cals like u said then.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post

    That sounds not good. So ill just keep adding cals like u said then.
    Start w/ a ~ 5-10% increase for 2 weeka

  4. Picked up some Ezekiel bread to start having sandwiches instead of turkey n Swiss wrapped in lettuce lol
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Picked up some Ezekiel bread to start having sandwiches instead of turkey n Swiss wrapped in lettuce lol
    Dear god man!
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Dear god man!
    Majority of carbs were coming from brown rice, Greek yogurt, fruits and veg. Not many starchy carb sources which I'm assuming are needed for myself at this time..? But I cook everything with coconut oil and evoo.. Sometimes a little butter
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Majority of carbs were coming from brown rice, Greek yogurt, fruits and veg. Not many starchy carb sources which I'm assuming are needed for myself at this time..? But I cook everything with coconut oil and evoo.. Sometimes a little butter
    I always found this funny: the dogma is to avoid starchy carbs. Starchy carbs ARE low GI carbs (brown rice is a starch FYI). By avoiding starchy carbs, you're left with what? Sugar.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I always found this funny: the dogma is to avoid starchy carbs. Starchy carbs ARE low GI carbs (brown rice is a starch FYI). By avoiding starchy carbs, you're left with what? Sugar.
    You Are entirely correct lol. I haven't had refined or fake sugar in years. But the fruit and dairy is definitely a big contributor. I go thru a pint of blueberries every day more or less. And about 2 cups of Greek yogurt a day is like 18 grams of sugar right there from dairy. U think that should be reduced and replaced w more low gi carbs?
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    You Are entirely correct lol. I haven't had refined or fake sugar in years. But the fruit and dairy is definitely a big contributor. I go thru a pint of blueberries every day more or less. And about 2 cups of Greek yogurt a day is like 18 grams of sugar right there from dairy. U think that should be reduced and replaced w more low gi carbs?
    I think there's no difference. It's just funny that starches get this reputation, yet the most beneficial carbs you can eat are generally starches, health-wise (I'm not considering veggies as carbs because they're mostly fiber and water).

  10. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    You Are entirely correct lol. I haven't had refined or fake sugar in years. But the fruit and dairy is definitely a big contributor. I go thru a pint of blueberries every day more or less. And about 2 cups of Greek yogurt a day is like 18 grams of sugar right there from dairy. U think that should be reduced and replaced w more low gi carbs?
    I'd keep the high GI carbs around your workout window or first thing in the morning when you'll be more insulin sensitive.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I'd keep the high GI carbs around your workout window or first thing in the morning when you'll be more insulin sensitive.
    This is false. Insulin sensitivity remains elevated in muscle tissue postworkout for as long as it takes for glycogen to be replenished, be it 1 hour or 10 days.

    In the morning, fat tissue is more insulin sensitive too so it's a moot point

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is false. Insulin sensitivity remains elevated in muscle tissue postworkout for as long as it takes for glycogen to be replenished, be it 1 hour or 10 days.

    In the morning, fat tissue is more insulin sensitive too so it's a moot point
    Would it not be most beneficial to consume the carbs peri/post workout b/c of exercise induced glut 4 translocation?

    I'd like some more info about the fat tissue sensitivity part. I was always under the impression that skeletal muscle would be the preferred storage compartment for fasted glucose.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Would it not be most beneficial to consume the carbs peri/post workout b/c of exercise induced glut 4 translocation?

    I'd like some more info about the fat tissue sensitivity part. I was always under the impression that skeletal muscle would be the preferred storage compartment for fasted glucose.
    Glut4 is translocated in response to prior glycogen depletion. Timing is completely irrelevant.

    Glucose cannot be stored in adipocytes, that's not its function in fat tissue...

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Glut4 is translocated in response to prior glycogen depletion. Timing is completely irrelevant.

    Glucose cannot be stored in adipocytes, that's not its function in fat tissue...
    Thought we had glut 4 on both skeletal muscle and adipocytes


    So its not necessarily a "muscular contraction" induced trans location. The rep-scheme and energy pathway utilized dictates it... It's more of a "this cell is depleted of glycogen and I need more" trans location

    So the high-er repetition glycogen depleting workouts would facilitate the most insulin sensitive environment, yes?

  15. So the increased concentration of FFA's in the blood during a fast is the cause for impaired insulin sensitivity

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17285001

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    So the increased concentration of FFA's in the blood during a fast is the cause for impaired insulin sensitivity

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17285001
    It specifically state insulin resistance in adipose tissue causes the high influx of FFA. I believe only a few ingredients result cause that naringenin being one of them.

    I think it's only an excessive amount that will cause the problem with signaling pathway. Circulating triglycerides causes a host of different problems one of which is leptin resistance in the brain

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    So the increased concentration of FFA's in the blood during a fast is the cause for impaired insulin sensitivity

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17285001
    We are talking physiology here, not pubmed. Pubmed is a great way to put a myopic spin on a complex concept

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Thought we had glut 4 on both skeletal muscle and adipocytes

    So its not necessarily a "muscular contraction" induced trans location. The rep-scheme and energy pathway utilized dictates it... It's more of a "this cell is depleted of glycogen and I need more" trans location

    So the high-er repetition glycogen depleting workouts would facilitate the most insulin sensitive environment, yes?
    Glut 4 is a glucose transporter, not a storage mechanism.

    Yes, glycogen status determines skeletal muscle insulin sensitivity.

    It's not about reps, it's about total workload in the range of glycogenolysis/glycolysis

  19. Awesome info here
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Glut 4 is a glucose transporter, not a storage mechanism.

    Yes, glycogen status determines skeletal muscle insulin sensitivity.

    It's not about reps, it's about total workload in the range of glycogenolysis/glycolysis
    Okay that makes sense

  21. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    We are talking physiology here, not pubmed. Pubmed is a great way to put a myopic spin on a complex concept

  22. To the OP, assuming you have gotten your diet in check and gotten to an adequate cal intake, I would try AX's Lean Fx if you want to try and lower cortisol levels. I have used Rhodiola, I take it for the calming effects, but like others have said, it doesnt do anything to lower cortisol levels

  23. Quote Originally Posted by gymratluke View Post
    To the OP, assuming you have gotten your diet in check and gotten to an adequate cal intake, I would try AX's Lean Fx if you want to try and lower cortisol levels. I have used Rhodiola, I take it for the calming effects, but like others have said, it doesnt do anything to lower cortisol levels
    Please re-read the thread before making a brash suggestion. Lowering cortisol is the last thing OP wants to do. Also, this is the science section.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Please re-read the thread before making a brash suggestion. Lowering cortisol is the last thing OP wants to do. Also, this is the science section.
    Its the last thing he wants to do when on a low carb low fat diet...correct. Once his diet is in check, what would the problem be with lowering Cortisol levels??
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