Best Joint/Tendon Supplement on the market?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by gymratluke View Post
    Which ingredient would that be??? Are you suggesting if someone wants a good Cissus product to go with this product in particular?
    No, SNS or USPlabs cissus if cissus is what you want. Achilles has other unique tendon boosters. More of a tendon than joint supplement


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post

    The level that Cissus lowers cortisol is very minimal ~ not enough to cause joint pain

    I like eggshell membrane a lot ~Great ingredient
    Celadrin in the topical form is also great but not orally
    Thanks, Mike.

    What is the composition of eggshell membrane?

    What data has shown that topical Celadrin is superior?

    (At work, so I don't have the time to research)

    If I remember correctly, you've used these two compounds previously.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Mike's post is spot on for celadrin and biovaflex. MSM has decent data too...it even reduces soreness considerably. Haven't looked much into UC-II.

    Even though this is the science section, I will recommend a product: Antaeus Achilles. One ingredient in particular has awesome data where longterm use is concerned
    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    No, SNS or USPlabs cissus if cissus is what you want. Achilles has other unique tendon boosters. More of a tendon than joint supplement
    What are the compounds' exclusivity to tendons?

    Let's take a look at the shoulder capsule and humeral articulation. For someone who experiences shoulder dislocations, the compounds in Achilles should be promising since the joint itself is protected from displacement by the tendons that surround it?

    Lastly, does any data show growth versus preventative properties (i.e., cissus, albeit in bones, versus glucosamine)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    The level that Cissus lowers cortisol is very minimal ~ not enough to cause joint pain
    What makes you say that?
    Cissus certainly lowered my corrosion levels enough to induce joint pain and lethargy.both of which are inducituve that it lowers corrosion significantly.

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    I like eggshell membrane a lot ~Great ingredient
    Celadrin in the topical form is also great but not orally

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
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    1. What the hell is corrosion levels? 2. This is anecdotal feedback.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
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    Did you even read my post? Cissus doesn't reduce cortisol, lmfao.
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  6. To many deleted posts- I dont know who said what. Ha

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  7. iForce Joint Help has done more for my chronic elbow tendonitis than any other joint product on the market. Although for immediate relief I do like Joint Force, while Joint Help keeps it away. Fish Oil is a very nice addition as well for the anti-inflammatory effects.
    Last edited by laneanders; 08-19-2013 at 03:06 PM. Reason: Looked like posts were deleted, apparently I'm just crazy.

  8. Perhaps I'm missing something, but as a mod in this section, I don't see a single deleted post in this thread

  9. Quote Originally Posted by xhrr View Post
    1. What the hell is corrosion levels? 2. This is anecdotal feedback.
    Sorry,I was posting on my cell....auto select is a PITA.

    It should read read as cortisol and not corrosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Did you even read my post? Cissus doesn't reduce cortisol, lmfao.
    Yes,I read your post.

    Cissus does in fact lower cortisol levels.There have been lengthy threads on this over on mindandmuscle and I'm quite sure that doing a query on Pubmed would indicate my statement to be true.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Perhaps I'm missing something, but as a mod in this section, I don't see a single deleted post in this thread
    Colibs post at 1:12pm and then your post that followed

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    Sorry,I was posting on my cell....auto select is a PITA.

    It should read read as cortisol and not corrosion.



    Yes,I read your post.

    Cissus does in fact lower cortisol levels.There have been lengthy threads on this over on mindandmuscle and I'm quite sure that doing a query on Pubmed would indicate my statement to be true.
    This is laughable..you are making a statement and think we'll just leave it at that. "Cissus does lower cortisol, trust me, someone said it on a forum!" No evidence exists, and I've read everything there is to read about cissus. This is your chance to prove me wrong and post a study. *silence*

  12. Regardless I wouldnt use Cissus for any other purpose than joint/tendon issues. If I need a cortisol product I will go with Reduce xt and if I need a fat burning product then I will choose a product which the primarily function is fat burning

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  13. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    MSM needn't be dosed so high.

    Any triglyceride fish oil is protected from oxidation.

    Cissus does not have a single study showing it reduces cortisol. It is a glucocorticoid antagonist in bone tissue, which means that it reduces resorption and helps bones heal.

    Conversely, glucosamine and chondroitin have no good data demonstrating efficacy. This is the science section, meaning we are seeking to provide evidence-based suggestions, not the exact opposite.
    If you look over the meta analysis studies on glocosamine and choindroiton they,overall,indicate that the two are of some benefit and show promise.In the same breath,quite a few studies on either compound showed negligible results although I belive there is enough evidence to warrant their usage in athletes.

    I did note that the original poster would see the most out of MSM as that is the big player of the 3.

    It has been a while since I've looked into the research on cissus but I strongly remember USPLabs hyping it us something that lowered cortisol,good for bones tec...not that USPLabs does not have a liberal take on promoting their line.....Groan.

    I did a search on Pubmed under and you are correct,I found nothing.My recollection was based on LLiorh's coments in this thread,which mirrors my experience with cissus.Call it n=1 (or n=2) but there is some interesting science driven discussion to be read here:

    http://mindandmuscle.net/forum/21763...abolc-syndrome

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Cissus does not have a single study showing it reduces cortisol. It is a glucocorticoid antagonist in bone tissue, which means that it reduces resorption and helps bones heal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    Sorry,I was posting on my cell....auto select is a PITA.

    It should read read as cortisol and not corrosion.



    Yes,I read your post.

    Cissus does in fact lower cortisol levels.There have been lengthy threads on this over on mindandmuscle and I'm quite sure that doing a query on Pubmed would indicate my statement to be true.
    I knew what you meant I was giving you a hard time but that is still just somebodies anecdotal feedback, he does not actually know if it lowered his cortisol levels as he is only speculating. Read the quoted post above yours.

  15. As I have said,I have conceded that I was mistaken.

    I have posted a link to multiple studies on cissus.

    The one hit that I got off of Pubmed for cissus + cortisol was an abstract (with free full text) showing that cissus has some anti-histamine properties,which would not be good for the FED state as anti-histamines tend to increase hunger.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?...laris+cortisol

    I saw no mention of cortisol anywhere in the full text so as I said in my last post,I have conceded your point and I was simply mistaken.



    I found your tone to be condescending and honestly,kind of dick-ish but my hat is off to you for your tenacity and willingness to participate in intelligent discussion.

    One last bit of "anecdotal feedback" ...hehehe....regarding MSM.Marc McDougal of FitPort,published authour who knows his stuff,has stated that higher dosages of MSM can be used while rehabbing from an injury and such dosages are at least quadruple the amounts usually used.As you also noted,it plays a big part in relieving soreness,which in turn will allow one to hasten recovery through being able to exercise (rehab,that is) more frequently.

    Cheers,mate.

  16. @mr.cooper69

    Is it possible to stimulate cartilage growth (for the lack of a better word)? Medical procedures and/or supplementation? Have any legitimate compounds shown this ability?
    EvoMuse

  17. Quote Originally Posted by xhrr View Post
    Have a lot of problems with patellar tendonitis. First MRI just showed inflammation and now I'm getting a second after a cortisone shot did nothing. In the mean time what would you consider the best supplement for joint health, singular ingredient or comprehensive supplement? Looking to take something to help and be preventative in the future.

    I ice, use a rehband compression sleeve, foam roll, attend PT, and use ibuprofen at the moment as advised by the ortho but he had no idea on joint/tendon supplements and was wondering if any were worth while in some of the smarter individuals opinions. I have very limited knowledge in this area besides what the talking head of a doctor has told me for the last year while providing zero relief.

    I'm guessing my next step is synvisc or surgery in the near future after the MRI.
    Sorry if I missed it in the thread but how long have you had this issue? I have elbow tendonitis (started in December) and is just now really starting to get back to normal. I tried just about everything to make it better ice, aspirin, cissus, fish oil, stretching, elbow wraps, wrist braces, etc... Cissus and fish oil seem to help but I had to stop doing anything that hurt before I finally got to the point this passed month where I can actually do curls and tricep extensions again with decent weight.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    @mr.cooper69

    Is it possible to stimulate cartilage growth (for the lack of a better word)? Medical procedures and/or supplementation? Have any legitimate compounds shown this ability?
    Definitely

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    Sorry if I missed it in the thread but how long have you had this issue? I have elbow tendonitis (started in December) and is just now really starting to get back to normal. I tried just about everything to make it better ice, aspirin, cissus, fish oil, stretching, elbow wraps, wrist braces, etc... Cissus and fish oil seem to help but I had to stop doing anything that hurt before I finally got to the point this passed month where I can actually do curls and tricep extensions again with decent weight.
    Elbow tendonitis is no fun at all and can certainly take MONTHS to fully recover from. Cissus will definitely help the process, but staying away from exercises that aggravate the condition is highly recommended.
    About 6 years ago I had elbow tendonitis for about 9 months so I know your pain and frustration

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    Sorry if I missed it in the thread but how long have you had this issue? I have elbow tendonitis (started in December) and is just now really starting to get back to normal. I tried just about everything to make it better ice, aspirin, cissus, fish oil, stretching, elbow wraps, wrist braces, etc... Cissus and fish oil seem to help but I had to stop doing anything that hurt before I finally got to the point this passed month where I can actually do curls and tricep extensions again with decent weight.
    12+ months now. MRI follow up tomorrow so hopefully I'll get some answers. I was on prescription PK for two months and no lower body exercise except what I did at PT and it came right back after returning to activity. Cortisone shot did nothing so well see what the doctor says tomorrow. I'm pretty sure surgery is in my future.

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  22. I put my daughter on Flexible Joint Formula after her second ACL surgery for several months straight. It made a big difference with the stiffness and soreness - especially the night and day after PT. The graft they used the second go round was the patellar tendon. She will from time to get flair ups with/or around her patellar so she starts taking Flexible again and it seems to clear things up.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    @mr.cooper69

    Is it possible to stimulate cartilage growth (for the lack of a better word)? Medical procedures and/or supplementation? Have any legitimate compounds shown this ability?
    I haven't looked too much into it but remember reading that10g of supplemental collagen has been theorized as being able to increase endogenous synthesis
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  24. I use NeoCell Type I and III collagen and it definitely makes a difference in both my joints and skin. You have to take it on an empty stomach though.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    I haven't looked too much into it but remember reading that10g of supplemental collagen has been theorized as being able to increase endogenous synthesis
    In the elderly. Biosynthesis shouldn't be compromised in the young
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