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    Curcumin dose timing


    Going to start using curcumin to help fight my arthritis and joint aches. I liked cissus but It didnt help my lower back arthritis.

    Anywho- what is the best timing of doses, as i don't want to suppress inflammation Around my workouts.... I'm thinking 500mg at least 3 hours pre workout and another 500mg 3 hours post workout.. Or maybe like 2 hours before bed.

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    I've been taking ginger root in cap form, 550 mg twice a day & I've noticed more range of motion in my shoulders. I've tried curcumin but didn't notice much. Perhaps I was under dosing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Going to start using curcumin to help fight my arthritis and joint aches. I liked cissus but It didnt help my lower back arthritis.

    Anywho- what is the best timing of doses, as i don't want to suppress inflammation Around my workouts.... I'm thinking 500mg at least 3 hours pre workout and another 500mg 3 hours post workout.. Or maybe like 2 hours before bed.

    Anyone with experience with this please chime in!
    I like taking it 30 minutes pre meal with my gdas

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    IME 4-5g of 95% curcuminoids a day is best.
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    If you wish to supplement with curcumin get curcumin bound to phosphatidylcholine (Meriva).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    If you wish to supplement with curcumin get curcumin bound to phosphatidylcholine (Meriva).


    Reason? Also I'm researching using this for Crohn's and chronic inflammation. Good idea? Dosing at 600mg twice daily?
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    To improve curcumins solubility and increase its ability to reach the tissues of the body
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    If you wish to supplement with curcumin get curcumin bound to phosphatidylcholine (Meriva).
    So when I begin my 8 weeks of versa, ill be good?? should I take 500mg once or twice a day? I got jarrows formula 95% curcuminoids 500mg.

    Is it bad to take too close to a workout ( 1 hour pre WITH versa) or will the presence of versa 1 in the system simply be enough to aid in absorption?

    I have ankylosing spondylitis (fusion/stiffening of hips to lower spine) form of arthritis. Also being tested for other Auto immune inflammatory diseases and possible cortisol issues. I'm 24 fwiw. Just not sure if two doses is the best way to go / when to take so as not to suppress to the necessary acute inflammation for muscle growth! Thankssssss
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    I thought curcumin's bioavailability is extremely poor and nothing really comes close to attaining the proper amounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    I thought curcumin's bioavailability is extremely poor and nothing really comes close to attaining the proper amounts.
    It is poor. Bioperine supposedly helps.

    I take 4-5g a day
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    It is poor. Bioperine supposedly helps.

    I take 4-5g a day
    The bioperine study is so flawed I don't know where to begin.

    For oral curcumin use, Meriva at 1g daily
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    The bioperine study is so flawed I don't know where to begin.

    For oral curcumin use, Meriva at 1g daily
    Ill look into that. I get decent Recomp effects from 4-5g of the vitamin shoppe brand. Sad I know but can't fight results
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    So this one is good, right?





    I'm asking because I found a place where the price is so low I can't believe it
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    Well, I ordered it. SN is a good brand just can't believe the price compared to Doctor's Best and Thorne so maybe it want the exact right kind (?)...$73 for five bottles of that stuff, Jesus. That makes it $7.30 a month @ two a day. Meanwhile Thorne and DB are 2-3 x that price
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla99 View Post
    Well, I ordered it. SN is a good brand just can't believe the price compared to Doctor's Best and Thorne so maybe it want the exact right kind (?)...$73 for five bottles of that stuff, Jesus. That makes it $7.30 a month @ two a day. Meanwhile Thorne and DB are 2-3 x that price
    I looked into this a few months back and noticed the same thing. Like it's not even close. i was thus hesitant to buy (and didn't)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I looked into this a few months back and noticed the same thing. Like it's not even close. i was thus hesitant to buy (and didn't)
    Ugh..this sale was so insane, normally its 110 on this site which is still a good price but they had a special 25% coupon on this brand plus the site always has free shipping. I use SN MSM and I'm pretty sure its real because it tastes exactly the same as every other MSM I've ever had the misfortune to taste. This stuff though I have nothing to judge against. I think I'll just give it a shot I'm not counting on curcumin for anything vital to me so its not like if it doesnt work ill be set back from where I was. Its just for general health/controlling inflammation reasons that I was interested plus the price
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    Any thoughts on LE super biocurcumin? Their belief is that Turmeric is not harvested long enough; thus the poor bioavailability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Any thoughts on LE super biocurcumin? Their belief is that Turmeric is not harvested long enough; thus the poor bioavailability.
    Is their belief supported by any literature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Is their belief supported by any literature?
    IIRC in house research. It's been forever since I read it. It was in their magazine so I don't know if any outside literature exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    IIRC in house research. It's been forever since I read it. It was in their magazine so I don't know if any outside literature exists.
    I'd be interested to read what they say. In house studies could be flawed beyond comprehension.
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    LEF uses the best of everything in their world. But in seriousness, they do use quality ingredients most of the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla99 View Post
    So this one is good, right?





    I'm asking because I found a place where the price is so low I can't believe it
    That doesn't look like its bonded...just blended
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post

    That doesn't look like its bonded...just blended
    It's complexed, you won't get/want a bond here. The phosphatidylcholine is real cool with the bilayer and gets the curcumin in the club, introduces him to a few bilayer friends and then dips out. That's all the curcumin needed to gain acceptance.
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    Been using 500mg 1 time a day.


    Joints responded nicely but now getting worse again. Been about a month. Thoughts on upping to 1000mg? Dose Recommendation? Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Been using 500mg 1 time a day.

    Joints responded nicely but now getting worse again. Been about a month. Thoughts on upping to 1000mg? Dose Recommendation? Thanks in advance
    I routinely do 800-1600 per meal. I see no problem. With curcuminoids the more the better IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    That coQ10 info is very interesting....
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    look out for a supplement company soon coming out with a curcumin supplement with nano technology
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    Has anyone experienced or heard of relief in symptoms of colitis/ulcerative colitis when using curcumin?
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    Been dosing curcumin for a month and my joints are on fire... No relief. And recently injured my hammy on SLDL. Fckin curcumin.

    Thinking of adding fish oil back (took the summer off i had been on for a year straight) lots of pain over the last week. Really sucks and cutting into my cardio and certain lifts.. Even walkin and sitting is painful now
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Been dosing curcumin for a month and my joints are on fire... No relief. And recently injured my hammy on SLDL. Fckin curcumin.

    Thinking of adding fish oil back (took the summer off i had been on for a year straight) lots of pain over the last week. Really sucks and cutting into my cardio and certain lifts.. Even walkin and sitting is painful now
    That sucks man. Check this stuff out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Been dosing curcumin for a month and my joints are on fire... No relief. And recently injured my hammy on SLDL. Fckin curcumin.

    Thinking of adding fish oil back (took the summer off i had been on for a year straight) lots of pain over the last week. Really sucks and cutting into my cardio and certain lifts.. Even walkin and sitting is painful now
    I'm not sure where you got the idea that curcumin will help your joints, but it obviously won't lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    Has anyone experienced or heard of relief in symptoms of colitis/ulcerative colitis when using curcumin?
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    This may have been asked already, but what company has anyone found that has good bioavailability as that seems to be the main issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I'm not sure where you got the idea that curcumin will help your joints, but it obviously won't lol.
    I just figured since it helps with inflammation that it would help with joints too. I want to up my dose to a gram a day.
    (500mg caps)

    when should I dose coop, so I don't hinder the acute inflammation needed for muscle growth?
    Been doing one cap with a meal in the evening around 8-9pm so it would be far enough away from the workout. Should I do another before bed at like 11-12? Or first thing in am pre cardio?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I just figured since it helps with inflammation that it would help with joints too. I want to up my dose to a gram a day.
    (500mg caps)

    when should I dose coop, so I don't hinder the acute inflammation needed for muscle growth?
    Been doing one cap with a meal in the evening around 8-9pm so it would be far enough away from the workout. Should I do another before bed at like 11-12? Or first thing in am pre cardio?
    It won't matter when you dose, curcumin will neither affect muscle growth nor joints in bulk form
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    It won't matter when you dose, curcumin will neither affect muscle growth nor joints in bulk form
    Ok. Is 1g once a day too much at once? Or should I space that out.
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