LCLT-REGULAR OR CARNIPURE, AND DOSING QS
- 07-15-2013, 05:38 PM
LCLT-REGULAR OR CARNIPURE, AND DOSING QS
[B] Hey people hopefully someone in the know can help me out with this
wanting to get LCLT but unsure if a plain bulk LCLT will be good enough or does it really need to be the CARNIPURE type made by Lonza which is found in a few supps, or is plain regular LCLT good enough?
Does the 300g LCLT powder by AInnovations smell/taste fishy?
Read conflicting views as to when it should be dosed some say pre-workout some say post workout, would it not do its job taken either time?
If it couldnt be taken pre-workout then would it be ok to take it with breakfast as being the meal before training, or would postworkout be better?
Read alot about it but unsure as to the best dosing, if it really matters that is
Poliquin says carnitine should be taken with carbs as the insulin spike will help and is needed to actually load it into the muscle, or failing that it can be taken with omega 3 fatty acids as they will do the same thing, BUT says it must be taken with either carbs for the insulin release or the omega 3s
So for me either taking LCLT postworkout with carbs, or with breakfast before training from the insulin spike from the carbs and at the sime time my omega 3 liquid, one of these scenarios would be best for me
- 07-15-2013, 09:24 PM
2-3g LCLT pre or post workout is fine. No need to take with carbs. Haven't tried AI Sports LCLT. Only MyoBuild from MuscleTech and Compete from iForce.
07-16-2013, 12:08 AM
If androgen receptor density preservation/recovery is your goal, take 2-3g preworkout. If muscle carnitine loading and subsequent substrate shifts is your goal, take it with high carb meals
07-16-2013, 05:54 AM
So i will only get the benefits of increased AR if i take it pre-workout, would it still not apply taken postworkouts?
in all the 21day studies on LCLT did the subjects not take it postworkout?
Could pre-workout LCLT be taken with a meal like breakfast approx 90mins before training?
or even 2g pre and 2g post?
Is there any chance i could feel/notice anything from using LCLT?
Do i need to use the carnipure LCLT or will AInnovations LCLT be good enough, and does it taste/smell fishy??
Thanks Coop and anyone else who adds, appreciated.
07-16-2013, 07:33 PM
A. An antioxidant-esque protective effect on the muscle cell + improved waste product removal
B. A gradual elevation in muscle carnitine that may improve aerobic performance and enhance fat loss
Taking LCLT just postworkout, without carbs, is a waste IMO. Taking it postworkout, during peak insulin sensitivity, with carbs, would be beneficial for point B.
If you want to experience the benefits of point A, take it preworkout.
You may feel less sore from use LCLT. My recommendation is the nutraplanet brand. It does smell fishy, like any carnitine.
07-16-2013, 07:47 PM
07-17-2013, 08:36 AM
So with bfast the meal before workout is ok, and/ or postworkout is ok with carbs also?
I am only interested in its increase of AR properties, any improvement in recovery/performance and any fat burning benefits and hopefully increasing muscle carnitine levels
dosing it in one of the above ways be ok with bfast with carbs or postworkout with carbs, would the dose be best split between these 2 times or would just one or the other be ok?
Do i need to purchase carnipure carnitine or would AI carnitine still do the job?, (cant order from nutraplanet as in UK), but i dont fancy the fishy taste/odour or is carnipure still the same?
I have no probs getting carnipure if its really worth it
Sorry for the Qs just wana be clear on this
Cheers Mr C
07-17-2013, 08:41 AM
07-17-2013, 09:22 AM
07-17-2013, 02:01 PM
I have a tub of the AI 300g LCLT - It smells fishy dry, but once you mix it with water or in with your preWO there is no fishy taste or smell that I've ever been able to detect.
Also, I experienced no fishy body odor, fishy sweat smell, etc. during workouts. (I heard that some people may be prone to this)
07-17-2013, 02:35 PM
LCLT is supposed to smell fishy and be sticky. If it's not, it's not LCLT. I wouldnt buy from AI. The first two tubs I bought from there were as described. The next two I got tasted like sugar. I was then sent replacements only to receive the same thing. Was offered a refund. I am still waiting for my said refund 2 months later.
Also have read similar reviews from multiple sites reporting the same non smell, taste.
07-17-2013, 07:41 PM
[QUOTE=mr.cooper69;4088674]If you dose it postworkout with carbs, you get the fat loss/muscle carnitine benefits. Same with breakfast.
Does it actually help with fat loss or only long term if muscle carnitine is elevated?
Coop, wont i get increased AR by dosing it in these ways, the above benefits sound good but i also want the increased AR benefits recovery etc,
if not how do i get round this, does it need to be taken just immediately pre workout as the only way to increase AR, OR would bfast as the meal before training approx 90mins not class as a pre-workout dose?
So for it to be proper LCLT it all must have a fishy odour even taste regardless of brand/supplier, is carnipure the same also?
I will go with a carnipure LCLT play safe if not then possibly Ainnovations despite the poor reports of its taste,odour,inconsistency
Have come across a liquid LCLT carnipure supp by bricker labs seems could be an option
07-17-2013, 07:45 PM
07-17-2013, 07:48 PM
you mean you have read of others using the AI LCLT and report no fishy smell or taste?
i want to use a good product with no inconsistency and ideally no fish taste or smell
07-17-2013, 09:41 PM
If you want to elevate muscle carnitine, you will need to use it every day with a high carb meal for months on end.
07-18-2013, 12:15 AM
07-18-2013, 12:58 AM
07-18-2013, 07:26 AM
So taking it postworkout i WONT GET the increased AR benefits, only when its taken pre?
taking it with bfast before training with carbs not count as pre-workout dose?
and could it be taken pre with or without carbs and post with carbs for all benefits?
Is all brands of LCLT inc carnipure supposed to smell / taste fishy?
Thanks for your help
07-18-2013, 08:25 AM
I feel like I've answered this ten times lol... Have you been reading my replies?
The answers to all 4 questions in your above post are yes. You can do 1.5g preworkout, 1.5g post workout with carbs
07-18-2013, 08:45 AM
07-18-2013, 03:11 PM
sorry just wanted to clarify-
pre-workout with bfast will still give me increased AR even though not immediately pre-workout, and also help load muscle carnitine from the insulin?
think i will just dose it once for convienence either with bfast with carbs or postworkout with carbs @3-4g daily, will i get increased AR and load mucsle carnitine this way?
both types are supposed to have fishy odour/taste both regular and carnipure LCLT?
Thanks for clarifying this for me
07-18-2013, 03:14 PM
The only bulk LCLT i can get is AI, so unsure wether to go with this due to bad reports of the odour/taste, which may be a good enough LCLT to do the job
or give a carnipure version a try such as NOW foods or BRICKER labs even do carnipure in liquid form
07-18-2013, 03:15 PM
07-18-2013, 06:10 PM
07-19-2013, 05:38 PM
Yes from what i gather carnipure is the tm used by lonza switzerland who say there LCLT is the one the studies used
It seems that the carnipure type may be less likely to be fishy in taste and odour than plain bulk, and perhaps that bit better quality
07-19-2013, 05:40 PM
I wonder if taking LCLT with a big dose of bcaas intra workouts, if the bcaas would spike insulin enough to get the LCLT loaded into the muscle cells
or for this purpose the insulin spike off bcaas alone would not be great enough to shuttle the carnitine in, so it would be best taken with a higher carb meal/postworkout carb protein drink
or could just a small insulin spike be effective
07-20-2013, 08:49 PM
07-21-2013, 07:06 AM
Could take the LCLT intra workout with bcaas which is either 4 servings of recover pro, or 4 servings of extend
not sure if this protocol would cause a great enough insulin spike to get the carnitine into the muscle, vs taking with a carb rich meal or drink
07-21-2013, 02:11 PM
07-22-2013, 06:02 AM
Yea. But im wondering if 4 servings of either would spike insulin enough to load the carnitine thats all, guess no1 knows that.
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