Nitrate discussion

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    I agree. Im personally not particularly concerned with a substance being deemed carcinogenic. I mean, exercise cause free radicals, so its not like im going to lay off the weights over it. that said, I have to wonder if there is some kind of smear campaign against nitrates/nitrites; I keep coming across a lot of inconsistent information about nitrates like theyre some kind of bad substance, but when I take them theres nothing but benefit. this article on nitrites said"Police believe that Vazquez acquired the sodium nitrate from the meat plant where she worked. The chemical is used to cure and preserve meats but can be toxic in large quantities, due to its property of removing oxygen from the blood"full article: http://www.naturalnews.com/023873_so...t_nitrite.html I mean, ive heard of infants being susceptible to that, but that effect being impossible after a certain age before they eat solid food. I have to think the articles author is ignorant of that fact. the medical treatments involving nitrites ive read say nothing to the effect of lowered oxygen in their protocalls
    Natural news is an alarmist homeopathy website. That said, overconsumption of nitrates/trites can cause the issues you mentioned, which is why I caution users who start pushing the envelope


  2. What would you say is the upper limits of nitrate consumption Coop? No matter how arbitrary the number might be I am interested to hear what it is
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    What would you say is the upper limits of nitrate consumption Coop? No matter how arbitrary the number might be I am interested to hear what it is
    It's so arbitrary because of individual factors and we see variance across the board, but if I know nothing about the person, I'd caution against using more than 800mg of pure nitrate (as nitrate salts) on first attempt

  4. Moved the calcium conversation to - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...iscussion.html

    (It was getting a tad off topic)
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  5. Good thread Josh in man... You get my pm?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Good thread Josh in man... You get my pm?
    Nope I dont think so.... And still havent gotten your email
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Nope I dont think so.... And still havent gotten your email
    Lol! Check pms about the name... in regards to the email, well.... just well haha. I still have a lot of finalizing to do on it before I send it out. Finding credible info on bisphenol a. and it's T lowering capabilities are a nightmare... anyways sorry for the derail back to your regularly scheduled program.
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  8. RE: nitrates and hypotension

    By what mechanism does it produce hypotension?
    Can they be safely and effectively used to mitigate the hypertentive effects of anabolics and or other substances?
    Thoughts?
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    RE: nitrates and hypotension

    By what mechanism does it produce hypotension?
    Can they be safely and effectively used to mitigate the hypertentive effects of anabolics and or other substances?
    Thoughts?
    NO3->NO2->NO conversion increases in hypoxic regions. That is to say yes, if vasoconstriction has gotten excessive to the point of impaired waste removal and oxygen delivery, nitrates will help

  11. Yeah, it's just NO3 getting reduced to NO or to S-nitrosothiol and then NO. Then NO does its usual thing and causes vasodilation, but whether that is enough to help...probably in simpler cases of taking something like an anabolic that ups your blood pressure if you don't have underlying issues already, then it may. I just wouldn't trust it in cases where somebody had serious blood pressure issues. Seems like a good idea as a long term and even preventative addition to everyday nutrition.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    Yeah, it's just NO3 getting reduced to NO or to S-nitrosothiol and then NO. Then NO does its usual thing and causes vasodilation, but whether that is enough to help...probably in simpler cases of taking something like an anabolic that ups your blood pressure if you don't have underlying issues already, then it may. I just wouldn't trust it in cases where somebody had serious blood pressure issues. Seems like a good idea as a long term and even preventative addition to everyday nutrition.
    It helps for reasons besides NO-induced vasodilation of arterioles (afterload). For instance, nitrates also lower cardiac preload

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    It helps for reasons besides NO-induced vasodilation of arterioles (afterload). For instance, nitrates also lower cardiac preload
    Of course. It's great overall, but it's subtle as compared to medications so it works for more benign conditions or even transient ones that are self-inflicted.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    Of course. It's great overall, but it's subtle as compared to medications so it works for more benign conditions or even transient ones that are self-inflicted.
    Agreed.

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  17. Is there a preferred type of Vitamin C when taking it with Nitrates? Is "ascorbic acid" good enough? I got a bottle of PN and on the search for a Vitamin C I see I can spend $4 for 500mg ascorbic acid or $14 for calcium ascorbate complex. I purchased Jarrow's NAC Sustain as well. Thanks

  18. Quote Originally Posted by burpees View Post
    Is there a preferred type of Vitamin C when taking it with Nitrates? Is "ascorbic acid" good enough? I got a bottle of PN and on the search for a Vitamin C I see I can spend $4 for 500mg ascorbic acid or $14 for calcium ascorbate complex. I purchased Jarrow's NAC Sustain as well. Thanks
    Ascorbic acid is fine. Calcium ascorbate has the ester-c studies, but our greatest priority here is getting vitamin C simply into the stomach

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Ascorbic acid is fine. Calcium ascorbate has the ester-c studies, but our greatest priority here is getting vitamin C simply into the stomach
    what would be the difference in those 2?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by cumminslifter View Post
    what would be the difference in those 2?
    Purportedly bioavailability. In the end, vitamin C costs nothing and many complexes come with built-in citrus bioflavanoids these days

  21. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Ascorbic acid is fine. Calcium ascorbate has the ester-c studies, but our greatest priority here is getting vitamin C simply into the stomach
    Awesome, thank you.
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