Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate or Arginine ethyl ester
- 06-26-2008, 01:39 PM
- 06-26-2008, 02:02 PM
Both work good. In theory you should have to dose AEE lower.
White BLOOD = AEE / OEE
White FLOOD = AAKG / OAKG
O = Ornithine
- 06-26-2008, 02:50 PM
Esterification (as in arginine ethyl ester, AEE) or bonding with alpha ketoglutarate (as in arginine alpha ketoglutarate, AAKG) would promote absorption, stability, and bioavailability. But beyond this, alpha ketoglutarate has many other properties that esterification would not deliver. In particular, with an alpha-ketoglutarate bond, one would obtain all the endothelial-lining-support and vasoldilation properties of arginine plus a number of cool benefits of alpha ketoglutarate (AKG), such as more arginine stability, bioavailability and absorption. Furthermore, alpha ketoglutarate will serve as a transport medium for arginine, making it directly available at the cellular levels for optimal synthesis. Beyond this, alpha ketoglutarate improves the endogenous production of of glutamine and glutamic acid, both important for muscle growth and for the immune system. AKG also binds to toxic ammonia in muscle cells, in the liver, and in the brain, thereby converting ammonia into glutamic acid, improving glutamine levels and assisting in elimination of toxic ammonia from the body. Lastly, as a Krebs Cycle intermediate, AKG improves VO2 Max and energy metabolism in muscle cells, and is consequently a potent ergogenic.
Personally, I prefer the AAKG, not just because it is a more natural compound, but because it possesses several other important properties. More precisely, arginine bonded to any of the Krebs Cycle intermediate such as citrate, fumarate, malate, succinate, and alpha ketoglutarate, or compounds involved indirectly in the energy cycle, for instance, orotate, pyruvate, and so on, generally yields improved absorption, bioavailability, and potency.
In terms of dosing, it may help to recall that plain arginine has the property that it's absorption through the intestines is limited, causing arginine to be rapidly degraded, leaving only small quantities to produce the typical arginine effects. This is why you need to consume relatively more base arginine to see any results. Esterification or bonding with alpha ketoglutarate overcomes the typical arginine limitations, ensuring that arginine absorbs optimally and is available for its ergogenic properties. So, you basically need less of arginine ethyl ester (about 3g per dose) or arginine alpha ketoglutarate, (about 3g per dose) compared to base arginine to produce better results than base arginine.
06-26-2008, 02:57 PM
Strategicmove thanks for that .Very useful.
06-26-2008, 02:59 PM
06-26-2008, 04:28 PM
06-27-2008, 03:44 AM
Why has no one ever thought about doing this witb Taurine or have they?
06-27-2008, 03:44 PM
and di arginine malate ???
06-27-2008, 10:09 PM
If you plan on taking the powder straight or non-capped, then one thing to note is that AAKG has virtually no taste, I have heard AEE tastes pretty bad.
06-28-2008, 01:43 AM
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06-28-2008, 04:37 AM
I'm thankful you found my contribution useful.
06-30-2008, 06:32 AM
07-02-2008, 10:49 AM
11-13-2009, 03:25 PM
I have taken AKG in a powder form as well as AEE in a capsule. I took these on separate occasions, but both times with SP250 (pre workout). With both of these I used the product to completion. I noticed the AEE (from SNI labs) gave me incredible pumps (over the SP250's typical pump) while the AKG powder (from Olympia labs, I believe) did not affect me.
Has anyone else had a similar experience? Does a reason exist for this?
I do realize that the amount (mg/g) is a huge factor in determining this. I belive they were comparable doses. However I am actually going to the store to get more AEE in minutes so I can confirm this later.
The above information is very persuasive towards AKG, and it seems very credible. But with cash being tight I don't want to waste money. I also know the AEE, from SNI at least provides me the desired effect.
11-14-2009, 04:05 AM
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