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    Ive got the original version of AMP and if meth is like that im glad im nowhere near it. This stuff makes me feel horrible, sad, irritable, depressed. I cant use it. It does kill my hunger though which i like. Little things set me off. Its almost like a zanax and alcohol except on zannies and alcohol i feel much happier UNTIL im pissed off. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norwegian View Post
    hahaha, you're in denial !

    And Reaper.. I know what you mean about buddies being the gym-partner -> it rarely works out ! Actually, if I'm working out, I don't want anyone else around me, not even on the bench next to me .. nor the treadmill next to me .. I've got a couple pet peeves like that. If I got someone with me, they're BOUND to slow me down, chit chat - which I never care for ! At the moment, I've got 50-60 seconds in between sets, and there is little to NO information in this world I'd be interested in being enlightened about within that time frame. Avoiding eye contact with the rest of the people at the gym helps, but I've been told I come across as arrogant/cocky by just looking at me - particularly at the gym only because of my 'withdrawing' from the environment and the tunnel vision I've got walking around up there..

    I think people get intimidated in the gym, esp if there are a ton of people not serious about training. The problem I have with my friends is:

    1. Dosent train/eat right at all. Everything is wrong and only wants to know about gear only.

    2. Has really good genetics, looks like Jay Cutler, but only trains DC, hardly squats or works legs. Just has a genetically conditioned upperbody (mainly front). Hasen't changed workout routine in 7 years.

    3. Lackidasical in working out except biceps/triceps. Goes full out intensity on arms, all the other body parts suck.




    So yeah none of them really work as a workout partner. Furthermore, if I have one pet peeve, it is people telling me how to workout or if my training is 'incorrect'. I've done tons of journeled workout programs and various ones that I have tried. I have a relatively good idea of what works out for me. I've had several people come up to me telling me that I shouldn't deadlift barefoot as I might 'drop' in on my feet. Ok.
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    This is an email I recieved in regards to AMP versions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the formula never changed with version 1. i don't know why people think it did. maybe the effects waned for them over time and they blamed it on a change in formula. people like conspiracy theories too. rumors about the old hot stuff having methyltest and the origninal met-rx having clen in it are examples.
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    So, yeah. That's the scoop on the purple label and what I'm trying out right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witt51 View Post
    i have been told the same thing. when i trained, i had clients not want to train with me cause i looked to serious or mean at the gym.
    I've been told the same thing by the guy who works the desk where i workout. He nicknamed me the Pitbull.

    It's business time!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtarzan81 View Post
    I've been told the same thing by the guy who works the desk where i workout. He nicknamed me the Pitbull.

    It's business time!!
    Ride the snake! ahhahahaha
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
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    Went back home for the weekend.

    8 hrs of work+3 hrs of driving=3 caps of AMP 30 minutes pre-workout. I've found that AMP works best around 30-45 min pre-workout. Any earlier than that it is still 'kicking in'.

    A little sluggish during my workout. No jitters, no crash which is great. Had a warm thermogenic effect that was more pronounced with 3 caps vs. 2 caps. No nausea. I usually only get nausea if I take caps 1st thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

    I had a pretty damn good workout for such an extensive day.




    Traps & Delts:

    Lateral raises: 15,15,13,12,10,8
    Arnold Presses: 8,8,6
    Rear pec-dec: 10,12,10,12
    Face-pulls: 10,10,12
    Barbell shrugs: 20,15,15,9
    Upright Rows: 12,12,10,6


    I still actually feel pretty awake right now. I don't have work tommorow as it is a government holiday (here anyways).
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    I need 4 caps each time I take AMP, and that is a very, very clean and smooth feeling, very energized and awake, and my core warms up nicely. However, it tends to take me about an hour and a half to feel the effects of any thermo .. strange ..

    Glad it's working for ya tho!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norwegian View Post
    I need 4 caps each time I take AMP, and that is a very, very clean and smooth feeling, very energized and awake, and my core warms up nicely. However, it tends to take me about an hour and a half to feel the effects of any thermo .. strange ..

    Glad it's working for ya tho!

    Yeah I like how I don't crash. Even if I take too much caffeine without sugar I still crash. We'll see how the new AMP 2 works out. I should have that hopefully by next week.

    Giant Nutrition sells geranamine by itself.
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    The Zingerone in 'Clear Shot' should be added to AMP. That is some good sheit.
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    I tried the clearshot a few times and never liked it. Tasted gross and didnt work as well as AMP. I prefer the pills
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    With Clear Shot you need a full bottle, maybe even a tad bit more, but I like it. The original one tasted bad, but now there is a apple cinnimon flavor for the current clear shot.


    Has anyone tried Leviathan Reloaded ? The thing that interests me the most is that it is supposed to burn fat, but be an 'anti-catabolic'. Interesting.

    The only thing stopping me is the yohimbe, or yohimbine whichever they use.

    I tend to have very negative/adverse reactons when taking herbal alkaloids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post

    Has anyone tried Leviathan Reloaded ? The thing that interests me the most is that it is supposed to burn fat, but be an 'anti-catabolic'. Interesting.

    The only thing stopping me is the yohimbe, or yohimbine whichever they use.

    I tend to have very negative/adverse reactons when taking herbal alkaloids.
    After reading lots of logs and feedback, I decided to go for Leviathan Reloaded myself. Started Wednesday. Initially, it's a real smooth energy and mood-improver, and definitely gets my furnace burning, but I found that I crashed bad at around 5.30PM when my second dosage is aruond 1.30PM. I work out @ 7PM, so I've got to change something here.. First dosage of the day is @ 7AM.

    I'm probably gonna be opening a log on my stack. Will keep ya posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    I used this one. I'm pretty sure it was the old version? It had red caps, but no etching.
    That is what i have used before also.. IMO that was the best stim product i ever used. I had SUPER focus on that stuff, and had such a euphoric feeling. I gave this girl i know a bunch of them when she was studying for finals, and she loved them.. Wish i had them back now
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    I'll still keep Levithan Reloaded in mind.



    I don't actually post-carb after workouts.

    1. Since I workout later in the evening, it will lead to fat storage

    2. I haven't manipulated 'insulin management' in the past via fast digesting carbs, and still have managed to put on muscle.

    I just eat enough carbs to get through the day, then just eat 40g of protein post workout. Nothing too special, but it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witt51 View Post
    good i am not dreaming things up then about having an earlier version. the first one i tried was amazing. proabably one of the best euphoric supp i have tried.

    i have used the version being logged now and was completely dissappointed. i hate when they change a great a formula and its worse.
    This reminds me of Stim X. I tried the samples before it came out and I could take one pill and have amazing energy and euphoria all day. Then when the actual product came out, it wasn't as good. Other people noticed the same.


    Also, Reaper you might want to try working out first thing in the AM. It really takes some adjusting, but if you pop your stims as soon as your alarm goes off, grab a quick snack (pre workout shooter or some real food), then hit the gym, you can get in carbs post-workout and eat a whole lot more during the day because you really feel the need to eat. Plus it helps when you have really long days, cuz you've already got your workout in and then you can just go home at the end of your day and chill (or sleep). At the end of the day, you'll never have to say I'm too exhausted to lift, cuz you've already done it!

    I just started doing this a few weeks ago because I was having severe sleep issues with my evening workouts (pre-workout stims+post workout adrenaline+late night meals = insomnia) and I'm so glad I made the switch.

    Just a suggestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    This reminds me of Stim X. I tried the samples before it came out and I could take one pill and have amazing energy and euphoria all day. Then when the actual product came out, it wasn't as good. Other people noticed the same.

    Just a suggestion.

    Ugh, I know what you mean ! A friend worked at GNC - caugh caugh - and had a bottle of Stim-X when Anabolic Xtreme FiRST got it out. It was a sample bottle before they even began carrying it .. anyway, one morning I had an early AM workout - yes, I DO remember although it was 2 years ago - because two of those got my ass so wired and jittery for the longest period of time I could even think possible.. I remember because I took them before I worked out in College Station one morning early AM, and my heart was beating out of my chest and I was soaking my clothes just sitting still the whole drive to Houston following the workout, and for the remainder of the afternoon ..

    EDIT. BTW, JJC, I did not finish reading your whole post until I posted this, I just caught the glimpse of the Stim-X and commented .. but it's sort of funny that we were both talking about SAMPLE-bottles !
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    This reminds me of Stim X. I tried the samples before it came out and I could take one pill and have amazing energy and euphoria all day. Then when the actual product came out, it wasn't as good. Other people noticed the same.


    Also, Reaper you might want to try working out first thing in the AM. It really takes some adjusting, but if you pop your stims as soon as your alarm goes off, grab a quick snack (pre workout shooter or some real food), then hit the gym, you can get in carbs post-workout and eat a whole lot more during the day because you really feel the need to eat. Plus it helps when you have really long days, cuz you've already got your workout in and then you can just go home at the end of your day and chill (or sleep). At the end of the day, you'll never have to say I'm too exhausted to lift, cuz you've already done it!

    I just started doing this a few weeks ago because I was having severe sleep issues with my evening workouts (pre-workout stims+post workout adrenaline+late night meals = insomnia) and I'm so glad I made the switch.

    Just a suggestion.

    I've been thinking for awhile now about doing that. Since you brought it up, I think I might end up giving that a change. It is a fine balance, because I have to go to the gym between 7-8pm, get done around 9:00pm, which is just suffice to go to sleep around 11pm. I then wake up @ 7:00am the next day.


    If that timing is off, or I train too hard, I end up not being able to sleep till 12am or later then it becomes counter productive as I did not get enough sleep the night before. In fact this is the biggest problem that I encountered when I first graduated college and started working. It took a good several months for me to figure out how much to work out and what times in order to make it all work for the evening. I think it would be a good idea to try something else different.


    So the new stim x released isn't that great ? I was contemplating on getting it, but as of yet I haven't really heard any reviews on it at all.
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    I noticed I have to take 3 caps of AMP now. I think I am developing a slight tolerance to it after several days. 2 caps/ED isn't quite cutting it anymore.


    Went to the gym this morning then postworkout took in some carbs.


    20 min low impact cardio



    Chest:

    Flat Dumbbell: 15,12,12,10
    Incline Dumbbell: 10,10,8,6
    Dumbbell Flies: 12,12,10,10,8
    Decline Barbell: 10,10,10,8
    Dumbbell Pull-overs:12,12,12,12


    Great pump today, lots of volume.
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    Damn bro, didn't take ya long to adapt to the 2 cap dosage, sorry to hear that ! @ 6 caps/day, you'll be done with a bottle in NO time. It's unfortunate !
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    Lol, it is good, but after awhile I bet I'll have to keep increasing the dosage to get the same effect. Eh. :-/
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    Oh yeah thanks for sending me the ebook. I have been reading it pretty adimently the past several hours. I think I might print it out when I go to work mon.
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    I just took 6 AMP capsules about 30 min ago.


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    ....feels awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    I just took 6 AMP capsules about 30 min ago.


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    ....feels awesome.
    6 CAPS ?!?! 6 of them AT ONCE !? Make sure ya got a friend around so your heart don't pop out of your chest and you end up bleeding out ! lol, jk, but man, 4 caps is all I need @ the moment, but then again, I do not take it every day.. (like I believe you do ? Twice daily?) And 4 caps gives me loooong, smooth energy with no crash, and my concentration is GREAT on it ! Makes studying a lot easier, and - perhaps a placebo effect - I seem to retain more/pick up more information that I study in a faster period of time ..

    Glad you're liking the book ! Now just get on the DIET and show people what man you are ! LOL

    (this diet is not for the average Joe to put it that way, as you may too be under the impression of..)
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    The diet is pretty hardcore. Still reading up on the book. Probably going to finish reading the whole thing before I plan out how I want to do this.


    Yeah, 6 caps is too much. I took them all at once, and I am kinda shaking right now. My heart rate isn't up, but I am getting slightly jittery and feel 'high'.


    This should take care of me for awhile.

    I usually take AMP a few times a day. For as much as it costs, in order to keep the price down and the tolerance, next time I might just keep it strictly as a pre-workout supp instead of a 'get me through the day, plus fat loss' supp.

    I feel like my eyes are going to pop out of my head.


    Lately I've taken 2 caps first thing in the morning, and 2 caps pre-workout. I decided to push the limit a bit further.
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    Btw, I am also using Cissus-Drol right now which is a HyperdrolX2 clone.

    6-Bromo is treating me pretty good and I'm enjoying it. I think everyone should give it a whirl.


    Also too I've recently started eating every hour 15g of protein, instead of doing every other hour, or every 3 hours, etc, etc. I've also increase my fish oil intake to 10g/ED and added in 3g of Vit C and vitamin B complex throughout the day.


    So far I have been recovering much better and my workouts don't drain me quite like they used to.
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    Here's what Patrick posted in a forum about AMP:


    Geranamine, which is the compound in question, has less of a structural relationship to amphetamine than ephedrine or even synephrine. And as far as its physiological effects it may be a stimulant, but it is much different in many ways. first and foremost, it lacks the addictive potential of amphetamine.
    when i first started taking amp thats what i felt as well. It is hard to explain, but it seems to be sort of an opiate type feel. that feeling eventually became less and less evident with continued use although the general stimulation still was there

    that unique feeling is from the geranamine, which is a name i gave for an obscure stimulant compound found in geranium oil. It is a relatively small and non-polar (oil like) molecule that likely penetrates the blood brain barrier very well, hence its high degree of cerebral effects compared to other stimulants (which are primarily peripheral).

    and EAA vs. BCAAs.

    the EAAs consist of 9 amino acids, three of which are the BCAAs. BCAAs of course are very important constituent of the EAAs - they help prevent muscle catabolism and one of them (leucine) may help stimulate protein synthesis (through a cellular signalling mechanism).

    But if you stimulate protein synthesis you need building blocks available or synthesis will quickly grind to a halt. The necessary building blocks for protein synthesis consist of ALL the 9 amino acids.

    So having just the three BCAAs and not the other 6 EAAs is sort of like paying your bricklayers to come to work but not having all the bricks available for them to lay.
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    Well, my friend's luck finally ran out. He got gyno from his last Phera cycle (I think this was his 5th or 6th one he's done). Put on approx. 27 lbs. He called me yesterday to tell me. Hm. I think it is going to cost around $7K to get that pulled out now.
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    woah 6 caps? 3 seemed to be my sweet spot. I hated the jittery and messed up feeling of 4 caps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weebs View Post
    woah 6 caps? 3 seemed to be my sweet spot. I hated the jittery and messed up feeling of 4 caps.
    4 caps hits my spot !
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    so is the consensus that the original amp is better than amp2? I have a bit of amp 2 now, but found the original amp(all black ottle, 70 mg per cap) online, is it worth buying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer00 View Post
    so is the consensus that the original amp is better than amp2? I have a bit of amp 2 now, but found the original amp(all black ottle, 70 mg per cap) online, is it worth buying?
    I couldn't say, never got to try the 2nd version of it. If you have a bottle of AMP2, don't listen to us here and pick up the original AMP, give it a go instead, and make your own judgement to help yourself and others .. JMO.
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    Long boring Monday. No working out tonight. Got school work I need to catch up on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Long boring Monday. No working out tonight. Got school work I need to catch up on.
    I know the feeling, man ..
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    Well, my AMP2 is being held at the UPS storage facility. They never called me back, but allegedly are supposed to deliver the package to me today.

    They said I moved which I did not.


    It is incredible how such simple tasks can be errored.

    Got evening class tonight. Probably will do some cardio.




    Anyone else notice that every single day is bicep day for every single dude in the gym ? Weird. lol.
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    ....Apparently John Maynard Keynes was a homosexual and part of some gay social club. Hm, interesting. I can't say that I knew that before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post

    Anyone else notice that every single day is bicep day for every single dude in the gym ? Weird. lol.
    Hahaha, ofcourse, me and a former workout buddy of mine have named this one dude, 'chest-and-bis-guy.' That's what he does, every time. Starts off at the bench press, same weights today as 6-8 months ago. Then a few sets of DB curls. Then takes off. To be honest, it IRRITATES me to be watching those people. I'm just thinking, DUDE, you're as incomplete as can be ! (I'm not saying it in a cocky way, but I just don't understand how one can keep doing that same damn routine semester after semester -> he's in college even, HAHA)

    And to top it off, he doesn't have the chest nor biceps to show for it !

    But ReaperX, you've got those people in every gym across the world, ya know ! lol
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    Man, sometimes I wonder how you can do that time after time again. Same workout, same muscles, same boring routine. I feel like unless I can actually do a full, complete, and intensive workout I don't go. Anything less than a quality workout is just a waste of time, IMO. I'd rather just re-schedule and go another day when I can be 100% productive.


    I think I'll give that new isatest version a run here in the future. I'll keep you updated on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Man, sometimes I wonder how you can do that time after time again. Same workout, same muscles, same boring routine. I feel like unless I can actually do a full, complete, and intensive workout I don't go. Anything less than a quality workout is just a waste of time, IMO. I'd rather just re-schedule and go another day when I can be 100% productive.


    I think I'll give that new isatest version a run here in the future. I'll keep you updated on it
    Oh man, PLEASE DO ! And for the sake of proving the products effectiveness, I recommend doing a 2-bottle run off the bat. I never regretted my decision to do 4-5 of them
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