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    Havoc Non-log Notepad for my cycle.


    i started havoc on monday(3/10/08) my havoc dosage is going to be doses this way
    20/30/30/40

    i have some Cycle support il be dosing that at 1 scoop till it runs out(like in 3 days) but im getting more on monday
    mean while ill also be dosing

    this is what im dosing plus the 1 scoop of cycle support
    1575mg of hawtornberryes
    1.6g nac
    2 caps Gut Health
    1.2g Milk thistle
    12g Fish oil
    120mg Coq 10
    when i get the cycle support im goign to dose it at 2 scoop and use it along with gut healh and fish oil


    for pct

    Toremifene
    week 1 120mg 3days 90mg 4 days
    week 2 60mg
    week 3 60mg
    week 4 30mg

    Alri Restore @ 3 caps ED

    Activate Extreme @ 6 Caps ED

    DTH @ 4 Caps ED

    Gut Health @ 2-3 Caps (since im going to be eating more to keep the gains)



    and the support supps mention on above.

    im going to order some other stuff soon like taurine and other things, i was going to get some creatine but since i got Andr0G3n. . . and since it has creatine i might save 12 dlls and use that intead of getting 1 k of mono at NP or i might jusrt order mono i havent decited yet.
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    my mood has been up on this short time, i feel great. Dunno if its a placebo effect but i feel stronger. im cleaning up my diet. its kind of protein/complex carb high.



    Edit : i forgot to add that im 194 lbs(the day i started havoc) and 5'8"

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    fifth day of havoc, mood have been great, i can get irritated fast but then i get back to normal lol

    i got on the scale today and i was a lil bit over 198. It seems weird since im eating less or around maintenance calories and i was 194 on monday when i started

    breakfast this last few days
    i have had alsmot the same diet for this last few days

    i have either steamed chicken or beef with veggies for breakfast

    3 hrs later around 12pm protein shake

    at around 2 pm 284g of tuna with whole wheat crackers

    4pm another 142g of tuna with whole wheat crackers

    between 6-7pm protein shake

    and then after workout a whole wheat bread sandwich with 5 slices of ham some reduce fat mayo, mustard , 2% sharp cheese as a side 1/2 cup cottage cheese, if i feel really drained from the workout i make 2 sandwiches and add a 24oz of 2% milk.

    im going to keep adjusting my diet
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    Hope it goes well for you!
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    no AX products?

    j/k, bro!

    Looks like a good cycle! It seems to me that 20mgs is almost a waste of time. I usually do 20mgs for like 2 or 3 days and then kick it up to 30. just my $.02

    GOOD LUCK, Z!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crader View Post
    Hope it goes well for you!
    thnaks i been looking forward to this cycle from sometime




    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    no AX products?

    j/k, bro!

    Looks like a good cycle! It seems to me that 20mgs is almost a waste of time. I usually do 20mgs for like 2 or 3 days and then kick it up to 30. just my $.02

    GOOD LUCK, Z!
    lol i was going to get 2 bottles of the new mass fx and some retain2, fot PCT but money got tight.

    i might use them for pct for another pre-olympia havoc cycle
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    I've never done an Epi cycle, but it sounds fun bro.

    Good Luck. I will be following.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stl123 View Post
    I've never done an Epi cycle, but it sounds fun bro.

    Good Luck. I will be following.
    thanks bro.




    Tomorrow i go up to 30mg

    i still havent decided how to split the dosage.

    been thinking 1 @ around 11am
    1 @ 3pm
    1 @ 7:30pm (prework out)

    or

    1@ 9 am as soon i wake up
    1 @ 7:30 pm (preworkout)
    1 @ 9:30pm (postworkout)
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    i like the second option (morning, pre, and post)
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    i like the second option (morning, pre, and post)
    then it would be mace way
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    Zombie.

    How are you liking the Epi so far?

    Have you noticed any sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stl123 View Post
    Zombie.

    How are you liking the Epi so far?

    Have you noticed any sides?

    im loving havoc. today is my second day at 30mg , i like how it makes me feel, im in a really good mood all day but i also have noticed that i get pissed faster. other than that its been great. No headaches, no high bp, no cramps, no back pumps, i do have a oily face thats about it.
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    second day at 30 mg i loved it it was an upper body day it was a great i got on the scale and i was 200 lbs, i have noticed my mid section to get thighter,
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    Zombies rampage to Havoc beastdom!!
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    Cycle support by A.I?? Are you taking that during your cycle or as a PCT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crader View Post
    Zombies rampage to Havoc beastdom!!
    i cant belive i have gained 6 pounds in just 8 days also taking in consideration that i havent been eating alot of calories, with superdrol i started gaining on my 3rd week and during PCT

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexParty View Post
    Cycle support by A.I?? Are you taking that during your cycle or as a PCT?
    yep im taking it during cycle and im going to take it for PCT also.
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    Are you prone to MPB? I have read some logs that say Epi products are not so kind on the hairline. Let me know if you notice anything like that on cycle. That is the only thing that has kept me from running it. I started a Trenadrol cycle and I notice halfway through that my hair was starting to thin out so I cut it short.

    Sounds like its going really well for ya. I'm following 3 Epi logs right now and everyone is seeing great results. I might have to pick some up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stl123 View Post
    Are you prone to MPB? I have read some logs that say Epi products are not so kind on the hairline. Let me know if you notice anything like that on cycle. That is the only thing that has kept me from running it. I started a Trenadrol cycle and I notice halfway through that my hair was starting to thin out so I cut it short.

    Sounds like its going really well for ya. I'm following 3 Epi logs right now and everyone is seeing great results. I might have to pick some up.
    im prone to MPB, my dad is bald, well not completely. and since i did my first SD cycle my hairline got a lil bit back and some hair thinned, i havent noticed more shreading than usual but its one of my concerns also im espending like 5 minutes before taking a shower and after just looking at my hair lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
    im espending like 5 minutes before taking a shower and after just looking at my hair lol
    That's funny. Ever since the whole trenadrol fiasco I do the exact samething. I check everytime I get out of the shower to make sure the water pressure from the shower head didn't blow a patch of hair off my head (it never has). Thankfully it seems to have slowed down or maybe even stopped shedding, although the damage has already been done. My dad has been almost bald as long as I can remember so I guess there is no fighting it. I just have to except the fact that one day I WILL be bald.
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    3rd day @ 30mg i decided to make a lil experiment i added 50mg of DHEA to each dose, i had the worst Back Pumps i ever had. im thinking its the DHEA so im stoping taking it and then add 50 mg just preworkout or post workout. other than that i been feeling great
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
    3rd day @ 30mg i decided to make a lil experiment i added 50mg of DHEA to each dose, i had the worst Back Pumps i ever had. im thinking its the DHEA so im stoping taking it and then add 50 mg just preworkout or post workout. other than that i been feeling great
    I think the dhea is a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stl123 View Post
    That's funny. Ever since the whole trenadrol fiasco I do the exact samething. I check everytime I get out of the shower to make sure the water pressure from the shower head didn't blow a patch of hair off my head (it never has). Thankfully it seems to have slowed down or maybe even stopped shedding, although the damage has already been done. My dad has been almost bald as long as I can remember so I guess there is no fighting it. I just have to except the fact that one day I WILL be bald.
    Even if your dad is bald doesn't mean you will follow the trend. I have seen guys who are completely bald and the father had full hair at 50. Also they say to look at your Mothers "fathers" hair to make an accurate judge. Look at her brothers too and compare. Doing these cycles wont tremendously have an effect on your hair line. Either it doesn't at all or it does a little and you wont even notice. These aren't steroids lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
    3rd day @ 30mg i decided to make a lil experiment i added 50mg of DHEA to each dose, i had the worst Back Pumps i ever had. im thinking its the DHEA so im stoping taking it and then add 50 mg just preworkout or post workout. other than that i been feeling great
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    I got raped today. . .





















    . . .im still waiting on a order from NP and i coulnt take the back pumps and i had to buy some taurine @ GNC i got a bottle of 50 x 500mg tabs for 5 dlls and something cents i felt raped
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexParty View Post
    Even if your dad is bald doesn't mean you will follow the trend. I have seen guys who are completely bald and the father had full hair at 50. Also they say to look at your Mothers "fathers" hair to make an accurate judge. Look at her brothers too and compare. Doing these cycles wont tremendously have an effect on your hair line. Either it doesn't at all or it does a little and you wont even notice. These aren't steroids lol
    Havoc and Epi are steriods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    Havoc and Epi are steriods.
    i cant belive i missed that part on Alex post. yep havoc and epi are both oral steroids, with fewer sides than other oral steroids but still steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
    i cant belive i missed that part on Alex post. yep havoc and epi are both oral steroids, with fewer sides than other oral steroids but still steroids.
    Prob the epi..er i mean havoc..i mean epi..no no i mean havoc...oh nvm
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    They're pro-hormones... not steroids
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    they are orally active they dont need to convert into anything to be active. unlike prohormones that need an enzyme or something to make the active compound.
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    ooo alex just got burned
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    I'm finally here zombo! Good luck with this buddy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    ooo alex just got burned
    Do some research, they're pro-hormones, not steroids. I can't believe you guys think this is steroids... no offense but what a joke.
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    Just to add, because I really don't understand. This site does not allow the sale or reference to sale of steroids, clearly states that in it's user agreement. If havoc was a steroid it would have been banned, illegal to get unless for medical use. Nutraplanet wouldn't be allowed to sell it so freely. So if it's a steroid why is it sold all over without any trouble? This is my question.
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    this is gonna get good......

    alex, its a steroid. as the others have said, it doesn't CONVERT inside the body, therefore it is NOT a pro-hormone.
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    Quote form the Source posting rules

    As of now, the legalities of Epistane/Havoc and several PH's are still unknown therefore do not fall under these rules. Since they are sold by the largest of retailers the legalities of these substances are unknown, they are an exception for now. These rules will constantly change based on updates to the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    this is gonna get good......

    alex, its a steroid. as the others have said, it doesn't CONVERT inside the body, therefore it is NOT a pro-hormone.
    Great so you could buy steroids without any hassle from Nutraplanet and other websites... that sounds just about right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
    Quote form the Source posting rules

    As of now, the legalities of Epistane/Havoc and several PH's are still unknown therefore do not fall under these rules. Since they are sold by the largest of retailers the legalities of these substances are unknown, they are an exception for now. These rules will constantly change based on updates to the law.
    Well there we go, the rules clearly state that " legalities of Epistane/Havoc and several PH's". Even if it's unknown it's considered a pro-hormone. Actually I have just recently voted to which "pro hormones" is the best, Havoc and Epistane were one of them...

    The reason I am saying all this and being a little stubborn(and I'm really not) is the fact that when I posted questions and stuff about steroids years ago here I'd get in so much sh$t and now you can talk about buying them so freely and not getting a pm by a MOD saying "watch it"??
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexParty View Post
    They're pro-hormones... not steroids
    Uhhh........ NO..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexParty View Post
    Well there we go, the rules clearly state that " legalities of Epistane/Havoc and several PH's". Even if it's unknown it's considered a pro-hormone. Actually I have just recently voted to which "pro hormones" is the best, Havoc and Epistane were one of them...

    The reason I am saying all this and being a little stubborn(and I'm really not) is the fact that when I posted questions and stuff about steroids years ago here I'd get in so much sh$t and now you can talk about buying them so freely and not getting a pm by a MOD saying "watch it"??
    Wow.. That's why you think there not steroids.
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    i dont usually workout on saturdays but i went today cause im bored , the highlight of my day was that i was able to shoulder press 110lbs dbs for 3 sets of 8 reps without a spotter or any help.

    i really like how this makes me feel. i got my NP stuff today, so im all set up for the next 6 weeks or maybe 5 weeks when it comes to supps.

    So far no BP issues just the back pumps but with taurine they arent a problem, im not noticing that im loosing more hair than usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stl123 View Post
    Wow.. That's why you think there not steroids.
    It's funny that you actually "think" they're steroids and are trying to act smart about it LOL and it's not "there", it's spelled "they're
    ". Nutraplanet wouldn't be selling steroids, they wouldn't be allowed to YET you still think they're steroids? Think about that one. Some people want to believe they're taking steroids so be it, if that makes you train harder and feel better about yourself go ahead.

    This forum is two faced, completely. You have a friendly conversation with someone, help by giving advice and the same person will try to make you look like an idiot in a different post just to proclaim their knowledge on substances....
  

  
 

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