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    Diesel nutrition stack: Trib test extreme and Ready 4 war (sponsored)


    Chuck has been nice enough to send me trib test extreme and ready 4 war to log.


    I will not be taking any supplements other than swell/poseidon (which I have been taking for over 8 weeks now). I recently finished a log of drive and RPM. This log should be able to provide a nice comparison of the products.

    GOALS

    Add some pounds to my squat. I will test my squat tonight, and then at the end of the log.



    Current stats as of today
    (what I will use to gauge effectiveness)

    weight: ---------178lbs
    waist: ----------35" at navel
    right arm:--------14.75"
    Bench 1RM-------240



    Standard supplement dosing:

    I will be following the label directions.

    3 Trib test extreme per day, taken 1 at a time over the course of the day.
    3 Ready 4war , 45 minutes pre-workout (build up to this, starting with 1 on the first day).



    My workout

    Westside for skinny bastards


    My background

    I'm an average joe. I do office work every day, enjoy cheat foods and beer. Just trying to be healthy and look and feel good. I have been back in the game consistently for 6 months now at least.


    expectations:

    Don't really have any. I haven't read much about these products, although I did look carefully into what the ingredients are all about. Diesel nutrition seems to have a good rep so I hope for some good results.

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    11/13 Day 1



    workout

    Squat
    Last w/o---today
    135 x8 ---135 x8
    155 x5 ---155 x 5
    185 x5 ---185 x5
    190 x 5 ---190x5
    195 x 5 ---195x5
    200 x 3 ---200x5
    205 x 3 ---205x2 (fatigued)




    Bulgarian split squats w/DBs
    last w/o-------today
    25s x 8 ----- 25s x 10
    30s x 7 ----- 25s x 10
    30s x 7 ----- 25s x 10



    Romanian deadlift
    last w/o------today
    135 x 8 ---- 135 x 8
    135 x 8 ----- 145 x 7
    135 x 8 ----- 145x7


    high rep ab circuit



    no cardio


    dosing

    I took 1 R4W at 5 15, but it took me a while to leave for the gym. I was feeling alert but not overly stim'd, so I took another 1 at 6 15 and headed off to the gym.

    I didn't take my morning trib test extreme today, as I didn't realize I was going to be starting log until the afternoon.


    Stats:



    Weight: 178 (+0)



    Overall feelings:


    Wow, great energy and intensity. It was definitely more of a jittery energy than RPM, but it wasn't distracting from the workout (at 2 caps). I'm still very hyper right now, and worried about sleep tonight, but hopefully some abyss will knock me out.

    One of the better workouts I have had in a while.
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    subtropical...

    how many RPM's did you use to take?
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    Interested as I find it to be the opposite. I feel R4W is less jittery than RPM. I guess things just effect people differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Diesel View Post
    subtropical...

    how many RPM's did you use to take?
    2-4 depending on the day. If I wasn't taking drive, I would take 3 usually. If I was taking drive with it, then I would normally take 2 although I wasn't getting overly intense workouts on 2.


    My concerns about sleep were valid, but after 7 abyss I fell asleep at a reasonable time (took 4, didn't fall asleep, got up and took 3 more and was out pretty fast). Feel good this morning, no grogginess and I haven't had any coffee yet.
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    11/15 Day 3



    workout


    Incline DB bench
    (target: for max reps)

    last w/o------today
    30s x40ish --------
    35s x 25------35sx28
    35s x 22------35sx20
    40s x 20------35sx 18
    40s x 18


    Pull-ups with SS of scarecrows

    10 PUs SS 5s x 10
    9 PUs SS 5s x 8
    8 PUs SS 10s x 8
    7 PUs SS 10s x 7


    DB Mil Press
    (target 8-12 reps)
    last w/o-----today
    35s x 12----35sx12
    35s x 11----40sx8
    40s x 8 -----40sx7
    40s x 8-----40sx7


    BB Shrugs w/ SS BB curls
    (8-10 reps)

    165 x 9 SS 75 x 8
    165 x 8 SS 75 x 8
    165 x 8 SS 75 x 7



    dosing

    2 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day



    Overall feelings:


    My stomach wasn't empty when I took the R4W, and it definitely took a little longer to hit me. I noticed halfway through my workout that my hands were shaking

    So I definitely got slightly jittery, but concentration was still good and I got through the workout fairly strong. So far there doesn't seem to be any excess aggression like I would get with RPM. That is both a good and a bad thing (I don't like being angry, but it did help with workouts).

    weight/reps dropped just slightly from my last workout. This could be due to the fact I was on creatine at the time of my last workout.


    I could swear I look leaner already. I know this is basically impossible, but that's how I feel. This is on top of the fact I ate cheese potato noodles last night with beer (can it get any worse?). I guess all I can say at this point is if it is actually occurring, that the difference at the end of this log will be very good.



    Stats:


    Weight: 179 (+1)
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    11/16 Day 4



    workout


    Box jumps
    worked up to 15 aerobic steppers stacked

    3 consecutive jumps x 5 sets


    Reverse lunges
    holding 30 pound dumbells, front foot elevated

    x8
    x8
    x8


    pull throughs
    50x12
    60x12
    70x10


    weighted abs

    +25 pounds, crunches

    hanging leg raises


    dosing

    3 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day



    Overall feelings:

    Well I had leaned up some, I've dropped 1/8" off my waist since last measurement. Thats after partying all weekend with friends from florida, and a bad diet. Can't beat that

    Also, my waist had plateaued at 35" for weeks now.


    anyways...


    I said what the hell today and took 3 R4W preworkout, even though 2 was pretty strong. For some reason I didn't get the jitters at all. I simply had a really kickass workout (although it is a fun day, and its a short day).

    I thought I might be looking pumped in the gym today. My muscles do feel pretty full right now. I know thats not the design of the supplements, but just thought I'd note it. My arm measurement is still the same though.


    Stats:


    Weight: 179 (+1)
    Waist (at navel): 34 7/8" (-1/8)
    right arm: 14 7/8" (+0)
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    11/17 Day 5: libido in full effect



    workout


    BB bench
    185x3
    195x3
    205x3
    215x2
    225x1

    flat DB bench

    35x20
    40x18


    bent rows SS facepulls
    155x 8 SS 70 x9
    155x 7 SS 70 x8
    135 x 9 SS 70 x 7

    Shrugs
    155x8
    185x8
    185x7

    incline DB curls
    30s x8
    30s x8
    30s x 7


    dosing

    3 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day



    Overall feelings:


    Libido really started kicking in. just call me mr. erection.


    Workout felt good. Energy wasn't insane, no jitters.


    Muscle hardness seems up a decent amount.


    Strength stayed the same.



    Stats:


    Weight: 177 (-1)
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    11/19 Day 7



    workout

    Squat
    Last w/o---today
    135 x8 ---135 x8
    155 x5 ---155 x 5
    185 x5 ---185 x3
    190 x 5 ---195x3
    195 x 5 ---205x3
    200 x 3 ---215x2
    205 x 2 ---215x1




    Bulgarian split squats w/DBs
    last w/o-------today
    25s x 10 ----- 35s x 6
    25s x 10 ----- 35s x 6
    25s x 10 ----- 35s x 6



    Pull throuhgs
    70x12
    70x12


    high rep ab circuit


    dosing
    3R4W pre workout
    3 trib test extreme throughout the day


    Stats:



    Weight: 179 (+1)



    Overall feelings:

    I had to go to the gym during lunch today, being that my family is in town.

    Popped the R4W at my desk and noticed I was starting to shake as it was getting time for the gym. So I get the jitters if I'm just sitting, but it seems once I hit the gym they disappear. In fact, it is kind of hard to type right now.


    Intensity was solid. Strength was about the same.

    Muscle hardness is still good.


    Libido is higher than normal, but not insane today. This weekend, my morning salute would just not go away. It seems the day after a workout day (when I take R4W) is more intense, but I'll continue to log and see what happens.
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    just to add about today...holy crap am I CRACKED OUT. I had a cup of coffee when I woke up, and a cup of tea (pu ehr) at 10 30. The combination of that caffeine on top of R4W at 11:00 is too much for me


    If I don't crash from this, then I will never have a crash from R4W.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnyq View Post
    just to add about today...holy crap am I CRACKED OUT. I had a cup of coffee when I woke up, and a cup of tea (pu ehr) at 10 30. The combination of that caffeine on top of R4W at 11:00 is too much for me


    If I don't crash from this, then I will never have a crash from R4W.
    see direction:

    Dont take within 2 hours of stimulants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Diesel View Post
    see direction:

    Dont take within 2 hours of stimulants.
    ya if I saw that in the directions I just read it as "don't take with other crazy pre workout stims", rather than meaning to avoid tea and coffee as well. I realize the fault is mine, not R4W's. I still feel the need to comment on what I'm feeling.



    Hindsight something something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnyq View Post
    I still feel the need to comment on what I'm feeling.



    Hindsight something something...
    yeah I wasnt defending r4w or anything like that, I was just saying.
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    11/20 Day 8



    workout


    Incline DB bench
    (target: for max reps)

    last w/o------today
    35s x 28------40x25
    35s x 20------40x20
    35sx 18 ------40x18
    --------------40x15



    Pull-ups with SS of scarecrows
    10PU SS 10s x 8
    8PU SS 10s x 8
    7PU SS 10s x 7


    DB Mil Press
    last w/o-----today
    35s x 12----40s x9
    40s x8----40sx8
    40s x 7 -----40sx6
    40s x 7


    BB Shrugs w/ SS BB curls
    (8-10 reps)

    165 x 9 SS 75 x 8
    165 x 8 SS 75 x 8
    165 x 8 SS 75 x 7



    dosing

    2 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day



    Overall feelings:

    Since it was another lunch workout day, I took 2 R4W instead of the 3 I took yesterday (as I still had my morning coffee). No real identifiable intensity from it, I could have handled 3 today. The workout was still good, I ripped through it pretty fast. I might have seen a small increase in strength, but my endurance took a drop. A give and take today, it was nothing drastic in either direction though.

    I still feel like I'm leaning out. Its thanksgiving holiday week going on, so I'm really just having fun and letting my diet go, but I still feel leaner. I might have to let pictures decide if I'm delusional or not. I'll post them at the end of the log.

    Oddly my libido has really dropped. I had a spike for 2 days or so, and now its normal it seems.

    Muscle hardness has been consistently higher.

    Not a lot else to comment on still.


    Stats:


    Weight: 179 (+1)
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnyq View Post
    11/20 Day 8



    workout


    Incline DB bench
    (target: for max reps)

    last w/o------today
    35s x 28------40x25
    35s x 20------40x20
    35sx 18 ------40x18
    --------------40x15



    Pull-ups with SS of scarecrows
    10PU SS 10s x 8
    8PU SS 10s x 8
    7PU SS 10s x 7


    DB Mil Press
    last w/o-----today
    35s x 12----40s x9
    40s x8----40sx8
    40s x 7 -----40sx6
    40s x 7


    BB Shrugs w/ SS BB curls
    (8-10 reps)

    165 x 9 SS 75 x 8
    165 x 8 SS 75 x 8
    165 x 8 SS 75 x 7



    dosing

    2 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day



    Overall feelings:

    Since it was another lunch workout day, I took 2 RPM instead of the 3\)
    ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Diesel View Post
    ???

    sorry chuck, I of course meant R4W. It was late when I was putting up the log


    *edited for correctness*



    My gym closes early today, so I won't be able to make it. I should be able to make up the day on saturday though.
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    11/24 Day 12

    workout


    BB bench
    previous w/o---today
    185x3 ---------185x5
    195x3 ---------195x5
    205x3 ---------205x4
    215x2 ---------210x2
    225x1 ---------210x1

    incline DB bench
    40x20
    40x14


    seated rows SS facepulls
    120x12 SS 70 x8
    130x 9 SS 70 x8
    120 x 9 SS 60 x 7
    120x8 SS 60 x 6

    DB Shrugs
    60s x12 x 10 x 8

    incline DB curls
    30s x8
    30s x8
    30s x 7


    dosing

    3 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day



    Overall feelings:


    solid energy. I hurt my back on tuesday, and its been off ever since, so I have to be careful for a while.

    Strength definitely hasn't gone up, maybe even down a little bit.



    Stats:


    Weight: 179 (+1)





    sorry for the slight delay in posting, had family in for the thanksgiving break.
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    11/26 Day 16

    workout

    due to my mild back injury, I could not do heavy squats today per the standard w/o.

    I did Leg press instead, DB squats, and some light SL deadlift.

    dosing

    3 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day (every day, haven't missed a dose)



    Overall feelings:

    energy: I was actually really jittery today. My heart rate was too high, and it was slightly uncomfortable. It didn't help that the gym was hotter than usual. The interesting side to this is I was tired all day, no amount of coffee or tea could help. R4W definitely woke me up and gave me the energy for the gym, just for some reason I was pushed a little over the edge. There does seem to be a delicate balance with R4W, it is potent stuff.

    Otherwise it was a good workout, even though I had to work around my back issue.

    bodyfat: I think I have still leaned out, even with the gain in weight. I'm really curious to see the photos at the end, to see if I'm right or not. My diet has definitely not been great during the holiday.

    Strength: No strength comparison for todays workout, since it was abnormal.

    Sides: I have gotten some mild bacne, which is not something I'm prone to (I am prone to face acne).

    muscle hardness: has continued to be very good during the whole run. Vascularity might have increased slightly, but nothing insane (my BF is too high for true vascularity anyways).



    Stats:


    Weight: 179 (+1)
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    11/27 Day 17

    workout
    Incline DB bench
    50s x 16
    50s x 15
    50s x 10

    Pull ups, SS scarecrows
    10 SS 8
    9 SS 8
    8 SS 8

    DB Mil press
    35x12
    40x8
    40x8

    DB shrugs SS DB incline curls
    65s x 10 SS40x4
    70s x 8 SS 35s x6
    70s x 8 SS 35s x5

    dosing

    3 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day



    Overall feelings:

    Only slightly jittery today. Heart rate was definitely raised, which I feel makes it harder to workout, but all in all it was a good workout.



    Stats:


    Weight: 179 (+1)
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    11/29 Day 19

    workout
    Box jumps
    16 aerobic steppers stacked, 3 reps, 8 sets

    This was 1 stepper higher than before.


    Reverse lunges, front foot raised
    30sx8
    30sx8
    30sx8

    Pull throughs
    70x12
    80x10
    80x9

    Hanging leg raises
    15
    15
    12
    10

    Calf work

    dosing

    3 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day



    Overall feelings:

    Workout was awesome today. Great energy and focus, no problems with heart rate or jitters. Very pleased. One of those days where you could workout for hours.

    Everything went up in weight as well, although this is a "for reps" day, which means my endurance is going up. I just wish I could get some pounds on the big lifts...

    Tomorrow will be my last workout for this log. I'll take measurements and pictures, and post my final review this weekend.


    Stats:


    Weight: 181 (+3)
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    man it feels lonely in here.



    good news, waist is down 1/4" since the start (measured this morning). 34.75" at navel. That is with holiday eating and drinking, really insane if you ask me. Also up 3 pounds as of last night.

    where the hell are the strength gains at? I'll be doing heavy bench tonight, its my final hope obi wan.


    libido recently has been insane as well.


    I'll report back tonight after my final workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnyq View Post
    man it feels lonely in here.



    good news, waist is down 1/4" since the start (measured this morning). 34.75" at navel. That is with holiday eating and drinking, really insane if you ask me. Also up 3 pounds as of last night.

    where the hell are the strength gains at? I'll be doing heavy bench tonight, its my final hope obi wan.


    libido recently has been insane as well.


    I'll report back tonight after my final workout.
    Don't worry johny, we're watching

    Keep up the good work. I've been looking into R4W recently, and I'm curious to hear your final thoughts on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnyq View Post
    man it feels lonely in here.
    people dont comment on GET DIESEL logs for 3 reasons:

    1) They are not "fadish"

    2) People know they work

    3) Packaging doesnt glow in the dark ie not sexy enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnyq View Post
    man it feels lonely in here.



    good news, waist is down 1/4" since the start (measured this morning). 34.75" at navel. That is with holiday eating and drinking, really insane if you ask me. Also up 3 pounds as of last night.

    where the hell are the strength gains at? I'll be doing heavy bench tonight, its my final hope obi wan.


    libido recently has been insane as well.


    I'll report back tonight after my final workout.

    I've been following along. Your log looks great so far, and I look forward to the final review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Diesel View Post
    people dont comment on GET DIESEL logs for 3 reasons:

    1) They are not "fadish"

    2) People know they work

    3) Packaging doesnt glow in the dark ie not sexy enough.
    number 2 gets my vote.
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    11/31 Day 20

    workout


    BB bench
    11/17----------11/24-------today
    185x3 ---------185x5---------185x3
    195x3 ---------195x5---------195x3
    205x3 ---------205x4---------205x3
    215x2 ---------210x2---------215x3
    225x1 ---------210x1---------225x2

    incline DB bench
    11/24-----today
    40x20-----40x21
    40x14-----40x18


    seated rows SS facepulls
    130x12 SS 70 x8
    130x 9 SS 70 x8
    130 x 9 SS 70 x 8


    BB Shrugs
    185 x10 x10 x8

    BB curls
    95x5
    95x5
    85x7
    85x6

    *workout is over, but I'm not ready to leave*
    Dips
    BW x 14
    BW x 9
    BW x 8


    dosing

    3 R4W preworkout

    3 trib test extreme throughout the day



    Overall feelings:


    Wow, another awesome day

    No sides, no issues, just pure energy and drive.


    My lifts went up across the board today! My high reps numbers are climbing fast, my low rep bench didn't add weight, but added a rep, which is significant for me considering I haven't had any gains in a month or more.



    Stats:


    Weight: 181 (+3)
    Waist: 34.75 (-.25)




    Today (saturday) is an off day, but I'm so stoked about this weeks workouts, that I feel like hitting up the gym again. I might try out a crossfit training day on saturdays, I don't think it will hit my CNS too hard, although 5 days in the gym is a little much. I'll either report back after that, or I'll report in with my final review and pictures this weekend.
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    FINAL REVIEW

    I want to thank chuck/diesel nutrition for this opportunity. It was a fun ride

    On to the PICS


    pics on 10/22 taken from here:.
    JohnyQ in: "attack of the AN stack: Neovar, RPM, DRIVE, and lipotrophin PM"


    10/22


    Today (12/3)


    10/22



    Today 12/03



    Stats:


    weight: 181 (+3lbs)
    ARM: 14 7/8" (+1/16)
    Waist: 14.75 (-.25")


    Review:

    overall feelings:
    This stack really seemed to kick in for me in the last week. I started picking up reps everywhere, and started feeling really good about my workouts. I started doing extra exercises and even going an extra day this week because I felt so great


    The week during thanksgiving saw some poor nutrition and dedication from me, including extra beer consumption. I think thats part of why it didn't really pick up until the last week. What I would like to point out is that in spite of that down week, I feel I had a nice recomp occur (well at least I didn't get any fatter). You can't beat that.



    Muscle hardness:
    9/10 Most consistent thing I noticed the whole log was a definite increase in muscle hardness.

    Pump/fullness:
    1/10 No real pump to speak of.


    Strength/endurance: 7/10 Nothing huge on the strength side, but I did see a small increase in my bench. I did not see an increase in strength while on drive, although circumstances were different. Endurance/high rep numbers went up significantly. I was pretty lazy about cardio, so I can't say anything in that respect. I ride my longboard to work most days and consider that enough usually.



    Effects on body composition: See pictures, keeping in mind my bad diet for a large part of the log.


    Other effects: I had a breakout of bacne, which is in no way standard for me. In fact I've never had bacne save maybe one or two pimples in my life, so this wasn't coincidence. Of course my regular acne was increased as well, which sucked, but I've learned to deal with that by now.


    Libido was very high, but it didn't seem consistently high. It seems that R4W is a part of the boosting effect, so it would go up on the days after working out.



    Energy/Intensity: R4W is strong! I Had a little bit of trouble finding the proper dose for me. I bumped it up to 3 caps early on, when 2 caps was giving me solid energy. I would get jittery and have a racing heart to the point where it effected my workouts, this was especially true when I wasn't paying attention and drank a caffeinated beverage too close to dosing.

    However, once I grew accustomed to the dosing, my workouts really turned around. The last week of this log went GREAT! I am really happy with R4W. I think if I had stayed with 2 caps for a longer, I could have avoided any issues.


    Thermo property: Since winter just hit, the heat has been up a little bit in the gym, so I had trouble discerning what was causing my raise in body temperature. But I consistently felt warmer and produced more sweat, so it seems R4W had an impact.



    Comparison to RPM/Drive: If you held a gun to my head, I think I would choose the diesel nutrition stack.

    I think particularly I would choose R4W over RPM because it seemed to have more effects for me besides just energy in the gym (libido and recomp effects...I think I like yohimbine). RPM did give more aggression and focus though, and might be a healthier choice considering the effects yohimbine has on blood pressure.

    Both stacks were completely worthwhile though, and you won't catch me on the boards arguing against one or the other.




    I hope you found this log helpful, please feel free to add any critiques so that I might make my future logs better. Thanks again chuck!
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