Travis' Primordial Performance's Dermacrine + Epidrol Synergy Log

[Travis]

Alright after reviewing a lot of options I have decide to use two products on my next oral/trans cycle. Primordial Performance's Dermacrine and Genera Supplements Epidrol. I have used Havoc before so I know what I'm getting with the Epidrol. The Dermacrine definitely intrigues me which is why I have decide to use it. Many of the benefits of the product appear to be perfect for use with Epidrol (synergistic if you will ).

From what I know nobody has logged Dermacrine or a Primordial Performance product here at AM. I think its a very interesting product line as it includes all transdermals with awesome ingredients such as resveratrol. Anyways here are some of the reason I feel these will work well together and for me (posted earlier in another forum):

1. Increased libido - my libido dropped when i first ran this compound
2. Cortisol reduction while on cycle...I think this could be important especially for me and the work I do (stress desk job staring at a computer all day plus ectomorph...)
3. DHEA plus GH stimulation - I'll more than likely run IGF before and after the cycle so this to me should help naturally improve IGF levels....or at least on paper it should.
4. Resveratrol....just a new exciting supp. Apparently its oral bioavailability sucks though. This is a TD product so it makes me pretty curious.

:bb3:

Anyway here is some info on the products:

Dermacrine



Dermacrine is a topically applied product that can dramatically increase testosterone, while maintaining a safe balance of estrogen and DHT. Our cutting edge topical formula is the ultimate supplement for any man who wishes to increase energy, lean muscle, reduce fat, and optimize his sexual performance. Dermacrine is a well balanced forumla that supports testosterone without compromising cholesterol levels, prostate or liver health.

As a benefit to all men, Dermacrine will not overly suppress the bodies hormonal production like steroids or other hormonal drugs, Dermacrine rejuvenates and protects hormone production pathways for continued benefits that are realized even after cessation of use.

primordialperformance.com

Epidrol

EpiDrol represents an entire new category we call “Designer Anabolics”. These are compounds that elicit what every athlete is looking for (increase in lean muscle, decrease in fat, anti-estrogen properties) without the negative side effects that had been considered “standard” up until this point.

Well those days of terrible sides such as bloating, acne, drop in libido and terrible crash after you ceased use are over. Introducing our first release in our Designer Anabolics line…EpiDrol!

EpiDrol is a compound that’s not only extremely effective at building muscle mass and strength due to it’s very high anabolic score, but is also an extremely effective anti-estrogen that’s been used safely for years in Japan.

EpiDrol is an extremely potent compound. It has about a 12 to 1 anabolic to androgenic ratio, which is very good, and nearly as good as oxandrolone (Anavar) or even greater, depending upon where you look. EpiDrol has around 11 times the anabolic activity of methyltestosterone after oral administration.



I am actually about a week away from starting this log. Eric the founder of Primordial Performance has been helping me out and seems to really know his stuff, so I am confident the Dermacrine and Epidrol will make a great stack.

Pics, stats, dosing protocol, and goals will come as I get closer to the cycle.

[Travis]

Shat, wrong forum... Mods can I get a move???

[warnerve]

i would save the dermacrine for PCT, just my 2 cents

[Travis]

i would save the dermacrine for post cycle therapy, just my 2 cents

Yeah, but I have PP's Dermacrine Sustain for that! I wanted to try both products and I believe the Sustain is a better PCT product.

[Travis]

I am definitely a mirror guy so I will get some pics up later today or possibly this weekend.

My goal for this cycle will be a basic bulk. Not a lean bulk or a dirty bulk...i just wanna bulk. I actually started eating heavier about 1-2 weeks ago. Originally I was right at 202lbs. This morning weight was 205lbs. Im 6'1" tall. Body fat was tested about a month ago and hasnt changed much and was 12.8%. I'll get this retested more than likely after PCT.

Dosing Protocol

This is sorta where I change things up a bit. The Dermacrine will be dosed everyday for 30 days (4-5 pumps/day).

The Epidrol is going to be used in a pulse....sorta. I am going to dose only pre and post workout 4x/week (Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri).

I will start with 20mg on the first couple workout days then bump it to 30mg. I am going to be flexible with this and may bump it up or even down later in the cycle depending on results/sides.

Other support supps will be:

Cycle support/life support
R-ala
creatine mono
cissus
xtend
AP/YG
...and basics like protein, oils, multi, etc.

Still waiting on some stuff to start this cycle but let me know if you have any questions in the mean time. izza:

[hman85]

anabolics shut down test production i would wait to use that till pct.

[Travis]

anabolics shut down test production i would wait to use that till post cycle therapy.

I am fully aware that anabolics will shut down test. I will be running a PCT.

[Travis]

Couple pics. Little bloated already from bulkin, should be a fat day at the beach tomorrow, lol. May add more later...this camera phone sucks btw...

[Primordial Perf]

Couple pics. Little bloated already from bulkin, should be a fat day at the beach tomorrow, lol. May add more later...this camera phone sucks btw...

Travis, sorry about the hold up on the Derma. We will get it out for ya today!

-Pp

[Travis]

Travis, sorry about the hold up on the Derma. We will get it out for ya today!

-Pp

No problem! Im a patient person....

[Travis]

Sweet. Got the Dermacrine and Dermacrine Sustain in the mail yesterday. Packaging looks sweet and the actual bottles are cool shat. Going to shower and try out 4 pumps today. Each bottle came with a nice "How to Use" card for each product.

In other good news I also finally got my money back from Netteller! Not sure if anyone else out there handicaps much...

[Travis]

Applied 4 pumps to my upper chest and shoulder areas. No skin irritation and no smell. The solution is fairly liquid and I chose to use the pump instead of the spray nozzle but I may switch that up.

Went to the gym and did 30 min cardio, abs, forearms, and some rotator cuff work. Weight this morning was 207lbs.

[Travis]

Applied 4 pumps of dermacrine after showering this morning. No skin irritation and no smell. Noticed i was sweating a little more today, but then again its hot and humid crazy here this time of year!

Took 20mg epidrol pre wo then another 10 pwo.

Just did arms today:

Close grip bench
DB skull crushers
Rope pull downs supersetted with EZ bar standing curls
DB Hammer curls
1 arm DB preachers

Arms felt nice and swole. Friggin shawtys all over the gym distracting me today...

Weight this morning was 208lbs

[Travis]

Applied 4 pumps of Dermacrine this morning, and took another 20mgs Epidrol pre-wo and 10mg pwo. Did work on my shoulders and traps today.

DB Press 10 reps w/ 40/45/50/55's
Lateral raises superset with Behind the neck BB press
Bent over cable side raise
Seated bent over side raises

DB shrugs
Smith machine shrugs

Stuff felt good for the most part. I have been getting in around 5k cals/day. I feel pretty bloated all the time.

[TripDog]

good luck with the adventure......see you got some good support supps there too.....sweet

[FitnFirm]

Travis........................ . did you have a sex change ? Hey, no prob you look damn sexy this way too

[Travis]

good luck with the adventure......see you got some good support supps there too.....sweet

Yeah first time using cissus....hope it helps after heavy squat days. Knees and hips are a bit shotty sometimes...

[Travis]

Travis........................ . did you have a sex change ? Hey, no prob you look damn sexy this way too

Haha, yeah I needed an avi that would motivate me a little. This does the trick. Especially since I am trying to eat everything possible...reminds me to get my milk.

[Travis]

Okay 4 Dermacrine pumps this morning and another 20mg Epidrol pre-wo and 10mg pwo.

Did legs tonight:

ATG Squats 10 reps 185/195/205/215
Leg press rocker swingy machine (lub this machine for quads)

Then I did single leg step ups holding DB's. I ran into a problem and I sorta want to see if this happens to anyone else. Durng my left leg I noticed a small pinch basically right above my tailbone. Sorta shruged it off and started my other leg and BAM!, first step up I had an extremely sharp pain in my tailbone area. Anyone ever get this?

It only seems to happen when I am doing one leg lifts (lunges and variations). Its fine now but weird.

Finished off with seated Ham curls 4x10
Seated leg ext 4x10
Seated calf raise 4x10

[Primordial Perf]

Haha, yeah I needed an avi that would motivate me a little. This does the trick. Especially since I am trying to eat everything possible...reminds me to get my milk.

Yep, get your protein and keep up the good work!

-Pp