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    First of all, I'm 21. I've never used a PH in my life, been clean as a whistle. I've been educating myself around the forums (just signed up for this one) for 3 or 4 years now. I'm 5'8 175lbs. I've recently just switched to a 5x5 routine to increase my major lifts (so far so good

    Goals - To gain lean mass and vascularity, preferably no bloat. A reachable goal I would think would be 6 - 8lbs

    Diet - Just above maintenance, all clean proteins (chicken, fish) and not too many carbs.

    Epistane
    Week 1 – 20mg (10mg first day)
    Week 2 – 30 mg
    Week 3 – 30mg
    Week 4 – 30/40mg depending on side-effects

    DHEA
    Week 1 - 100mg
    Week 2 - 200mg
    Week 3 - 200mg
    Week 4 - 200mg

    Support Supps
    Cycle Support (1 week pre-load and during cycle)
    Fish Oil 3g/day
    Taurine 2-3g/day
    Multi
    Sesamin 1g/day

    post cycle therapy
    Toremifene
    First 4 Days – 120mg
    Week 2 – 90mg
    Week 3 – 60mg
    Week 4 – 30mg (If needed)

    SNS Reduce XT
    Week 1 – 3 Caps
    Week 2 – 3 Caps
    Week 3 – 3 Caps
    Week 4 – 3 Caps

    NO Product
    Creatine
    Xtend
    Cycle Support

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    Day 2
    Starting Weight - 173
    Current Weight - 173

    Chest/Tris
    Today was a sub-par day in the gym. Going in I had major pumps and a great feeling about my workout. Soon enough, muscle soreness set in and while I still had pumps, I didn't feel so ontop of the world anymore. This was strange considering I rested a lot this week, working out only 2 days of the 5. Anyways -

    DB Press
    5x120
    5x140
    5x160
    5x180
    3x190

    Incline DB Press
    5x100
    5x120
    5x140
    5x160
    4x170

    Dec DB Flies
    50x12
    60x10
    70x8

    Dips (till failure)
    20x
    16x

    Skullcrushers
    55x12
    65x10
    75x8

    Reverse Grip Pushdowns
    80x12
    90x10
    110x8

    So far, not bad. Took 20mg the first day and I felt minor tightness in my back,which taurine relieved.

    I'm thinking about just ramping up to 30/30/30/40 for the rest of my cycle since I'm seeing some good results through that on the forums. Only thing I'm hesitant about is shutdown. I feel the more I take over 4 weeks, the worse shutdown will be. Anyone want to chime in on whether it's ok to ramp up to 30?
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    what u dosing the dhea at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardestgainer View Post
    what u dosing the dhea at?
    Sorry I'm going to edit my first post.

    100mg First Week
    200mg Till end through pct
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    why the dhea? just curious
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothyman View Post
    Sorry I'm going to edit my first post.

    100mg First Week
    200mg Till end through post cycle therapy
    You want to get DHEA down below 101 mgs before last week on post cycle therapy. It is suppressive at amounts above that. Usually a 21 year old isn't going see much benefit from DHEA off-cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardestgainer View Post
    why the dhea? just curious
    Redivision posted a solid Epistane/DHEA log on BB.com. I've heard it helps with libido/joints. Is there any reason I shouldn't be taking DHEA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothyman View Post
    Redivision posted a solid Epistane/DHEA log on BB.com. I've heard it helps with libido/joints. Is there any reason I shouldn't be taking DHEA?
    DHEA is useful for producing estrogen on cycle, it also produces testosterone. It should not be used on cycles that produce a lot estrogen all ready (wet steriods). Yes, it can help with libido and joints. Epistane is not a wet steriod. Epistane is actually going to try to block the estrogen so I don't know how the two are going to work together. DHEA is also helpful keeping white blood cell counts up and LDL levels up from the estrogen produced when on an estrogen reducing cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    DHEA is useful for producing estrogen on cycle, it also produces testosterone. It should not be used on cycles that produce a lot estrogen all ready (wet steriods). Yes, it can help with libido and joints. Epistane is not a wet steriod. Epistane is actually going to try to block the estrogen so I don't know how the two are going to work together. DHEA is also helpful keeping white blood cell counts up and LDL levels up from the estrogen produced when on an estrogen reducing cycle.
    Awesome, thanks man. I am going to be running epi soon so i was wondering about the dhea.
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    Id go for more than 4 weeks, thats really short. Epistane is supposed to be pretty mild.

    I did superdrol for 3 for my first cycle and still regret it. I think you have to be on it for awhile to guarantee that you keep alot of the gains when you go off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Variocam View Post
    Id go for more than 4 weeks, thats really short. Epistane is supposed to be pretty mild.

    I did superdrol for 3 for my first cycle and still regret it. I think you have to be on it for awhile to guarantee that you keep alot of the gains when you go off.

    hahah, that's funny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Variocam View Post
    Id go for more than 4 weeks, thats really short. Epistane is supposed to be pretty mild.

    I did superdrol for 3 for my first cycle and still regret it. I think you have to be on it for awhile to guarantee that you keep alot of the gains when you go off.
    I appreciate the advice, but I've seen countless logs of guys going on for 4 weeks and keeping everything through PCT. Although you might think epistane is "mild", different drugs effect different people in different ways.

    As for Superdrol, I might sound like a *****, but I'd never do a cycle of that stuff. I've heard it's so bad for you, why not just do regular gear?
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    Day 3

    Current Wt : 172lbs

    10mg Before Workout
    10mg Tonight

    Overall good day @ the gym. Set some PRs. Had some minor back pumps during my workout. Also, I noticed my heart was beating a little faster earlier this morning after my 10mg.

    Deadlift
    195x5
    205x5
    225x5
    275x5
    315x5 PR!

    Bent Over BB Rows
    95x5
    115x5
    135x5
    155x5
    185x5 PR!

    Lat. Pulldowns
    70x6
    100x6
    130x6
    160x6 PR!
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    Are you using IBE Epistane or Genera Supplements Epidrol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solitude View Post
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    Are you using IBE Epistane or Genera Supplements Epidrol?
    Epistane
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    Day 4

    Weight - 172

    Not much to report. I've been taking 20mg for 4 days now and I think I'm going to up the dose to 30 tomorrow. I don't want to rush the cycle, but I do feel that boosting it to 30 would be alright. I've seen guys running 30/30/40/40 cycles all over the forums.

    Side Effects - Minor Back Pumps
    Minor Acne
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    Yeah bumping to 30mg would be fine. I will say that 20mg takes a little longer to kick in but 20 or 30 give it a week and you'll be rollin . Epistane is very sensitive to calories, so continue to up your cals until you get the desired weight gain. It does a pretty good job of keeping you lean!
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    Day 5

    Weight : 173

    Dosage : 20mg Pre-Workout (11am), 10mg Dinner (6PM)
    DHEA - 100mg 11am, 100mg 6pm

    Today was the first day I noticed a strength increase. I decided to take 30mg yesterday, popping a 10mg before I went to bed. I got up today feeling great, and took 20mg before I went to the gym. I felt a decent pump and definitely a small strength increase at the gym.

    Shoulders/Biceps/Squats

    DB Shoulder Press
    90x12
    110x10
    130x7
    140x4

    DB Frontal Raises
    20x12
    25x10
    30x8
    35x5

    Bent Over Rows (Hands over grip)
    95x12
    115x10
    135x8
    155x6

    Military Presses (Behind Neck)
    95x12
    115x10
    135x8
    155x4

    Concentration Curls
    25x12
    30x10
    35x8

    Alt. Inc. DB Curls
    20x12
    25x10
    30x8

    Squats
    175x20

    Sides - None except for minor acne, getting a little bit worse.
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    Sheesh you have some really impressive lifts..subbed and repped
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    Day 6

    Weight - 175 (+2)

    Dosage : 10mg 11AM, 10mg 5PM, 10mg 11PM
    DHEA - 100mg 11am, 100mg 5pm

    Update - I took 2 days off of Epi. I had an important event that inevitably involved drinking, therefore I decided to play it safe. Anyways I didn't lift today but I took 30mg spread out through the day. After a week, I'm very satisfied with my results. I've yet to have a negative side effect, with the exception of some back pain when drinking last night (no more alcohol for me on cycle). I'm up 2lbs and I feel a little stronger and leaner. Nothing spectacular, but it's there.

    Tomorrow is chest, so hopefully I'll see some gains unless the past few days wore me out.

    Sides - Some back pumps/pain when drinking lastnight. I'm not touching alcohol again till the cycle is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    Sheesh you have some really impressive lifts..subbed and repped

    Thanks.. I never really thought I was so great in the strength category, but I appreciate the compliment. I'm happy with my size, but the real reason I'm on this cycle is for strength.
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    Day 8

    So I'm a week into my cycle and I'm wondering when things are going to start kicking in. I'm still around 173/175 fluctuating. As far as vascularity goes, I look about the same. I've seen little/no strength increase even when going 20mg pre-workout. Yesterday I was hoping to have a diesel CHEST day @ the gym, but it turned out to be one of my worst workouts in awhile.

    My caloric intake is around 2800 and I'm splitting 40/40/20. I'm drinking plenty of water everyday. I'm going to up my protein intake a bit to see if things change.

    Also, I'm changing my cycle as long as sides aren't bad.

    Wk1 - 20mg
    Wk2 - 30mg
    Wk3 - 40mg
    Wk4 - 40mg/50mg

    Could the 200mg of DHEA/day have a negative effect with the epistane? If anyone has any pointers let me know. Then again, I could be expecting too much from a mild steroid, but I have seen no improvement in the gym thus far.

    Oh yeah, and I think the joint dryness is kicking in. My back/elbows/shoulders have been sore all the time the past 3 or 4 days. When I was benching yesterday, I had to stop on my last set due to soreness near my armpits/shoulders/arms. It really pissed me off because my chest wasn't even worn down, but my shoulders and arms were! This makes NO SENSE at all, being that my chest has always been a weaker part of me and my arms have always been gigantic in comparison. I'm thinking about buying some cissus tomorrow if they sell them at local nutrition stores
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    nice log so far, subb'd. also, nice lifts I must say. You can push up 140 lb dumbbells in the shoulder press? Thats good **** bro, very impressive. you gonna post any pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    nice log so far, subb'd. also, nice lifts I must say. You can push up 140 lb dumbbells in the shoulder press? Thats good **** bro, very impressive. you gonna post any pics?
    I think you're mistaken =/ By 140 I mean 70s (70+70)

    I'm posting a few pics as we speak
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    photo sucks, but it's all i've got right now. I'll post more later on. This was taken a few days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothyman View Post
    I think you're mistaken =/ By 140 I mean 70s (70+70)

    I'm posting a few pics as we speak
    haha oh, well whatever. 70 is still nothing to scoff at. keep up the good work bro, interested to see your results on epi
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    Day 10

    Yesterday I had a great workout. I didn't record it all, but I got a few things down. I feel like Epistane is starting to kick in. While my weight hasn't gone up all that much, I feel like I look a little more vascular. My girlfriend told me I looked "bigger" when she saw me today for the first time in 4 or 5 days.

    Also, I found the right dosage for me.
    9am-10mg
    12pm (pre-workout)-10mg
    10pm - 10mg

    Deadlift (5x5)
    245x5

    Bent Over BB Rows (5x5)
    145x5

    Lat Pushdowns (6x4)
    100x4

    Those were my major lifts, I also did some other various rows and some lower back work.

    I've never had such a pumped/sore back after workout. I could hardly operate at work lastnight. This is a good sore, though. I feel as if my I really got the workout I needed yesterday. I'm taking 2 days to go up to NYC, I'll be back Friday for Chest/Tris
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    Day 13

    WT : 179LBS (+6!)

    EPISTANE KICKS IN!!! (FINALLY)

    Dosage : 10mg 9AM, 10mg 12PM (PWO), 10mg 6PM
    DHEA : 100mg 9AM, 100mg 6PM

    Epistane kicks ass. I've been lifting for 5 years since starting football in high school. I've easily improved lifts on all my body parts EXCEPT my CHEST. I've never been able to get my max above 225 on bench, yet alone put 225 up more than once. Epistane has helped me BREAK this plateau. FINALLY. I've been taking it for 2 weeks now and it's finally starting to kick in like I've been told it should.

    CHEST/TRIS

    BB Flat Bench
    185x5
    185x5
    185x5
    185x5
    205x6 (PR!!!)

    BB Inc. Bench
    135x5
    135x5
    135x5
    155x5
    155x5

    Decline Flies
    15x15
    15x15
    15x15

    Dips
    BWx14
    BWx14
    BWx14

    Dual Standing Tri. Kickbacks (w/ Rotation @ end)
    10x15
    10x15
    10x15

    Cable Tri. Kickbacks
    15x15
    15x15
    15x15

    Diamond Pushups
    BWx15
    BWx15

    Overall kickass day in the gym. It may not look like much, but my CHEST is always the weakest part of my week. I haven't set a PR on bench in almost a year. I don't credit this only to epistane, but also to the 5x5 program that after years of avoiding, I finally decided to test out (with great results!). I went in to todays workout fearing that I wouldn't be able to finish 185 in my 5x5. Instead, I felt so great I upped it 20lbs and did it 6 times!
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    Day 17

    Weight - 176lbs

    Dosage - (40mg) - 10mg 9am, 10mg PWO, 10mg 5PM, 10mg 11PM

    Overall Feeling - Very good. I've been waiting for signs of vascularity and I'm finally getting them. I look a lot better around my chest and my back muscles are really defined.

    Strength - +20lbs bench, +10lbs Deadlift

    Sides - Minor Acne, Minor loss in libido, Intense backpumps (need at least 5mg Taurine/day), Lethargy (then again I've worked 11 days in a row with no break ), Some Joint Pain

    Major Lifts :
    BB Bench Press - 205x6 (5x5)
    Squats - 245x5 (5x5)
    Deadlift - 265x5 (5x5)
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    Day 31 (4 days remaining)

    WT : 180

    Epistane @ 60mg
    20mg Pre-WO (11am)
    10mg Post-WO (1PM)
    20mg @ 6PM
    10mg Before bed

    DHEA - 100mg Pre-WO, 100mg Before bed

    Ok, so first of all I apologize for not keeping a detailed log for the past 2 weeks. I've upped my doses as follows -

    20/30/30/40/50-60 (last 4 days of cycle @ 60)

    I decided to up my dosage to 60 since I was seeing really no ill side effects besides some occasional lethargy.

    Summary of Cycle

    I'm not overly impressed with my cycle. Not because of Epistane, but because of some poor nutrition and training during the cycle. So I guess I should said, I'm not very impressed with my discipline.

    With that said, I did gain 7lbs of lean mass. I made the following strength gains -

    Bench
    185 x 6 (Before)
    215 x 6 (NOW)

    Deadlift
    275x5 (Before)
    335x5 (NOW)

    Squats
    N/A - Quad injury really didn't allow me to squat towards the last few weeks of my cycle.

    Vascularity
    I'm very impressed with my appearance. My core is substantially larger and more defined. I've been getting all kinds of compliments @ the gym. Ranging from "How did you get your torso so big?" to "Man you must be on gear"

    Overall, I'm pleased with my gains. With that said, I'm looking forward to going into post cycle therapy so I can finally start going out with my buddies to drink. The last month I've been practically a social nobody to avoid drinking and/or smoking.

    I begin Torem @ 120mg Monday. I haven't picked up ReduceXT yet, but I'm still contemplating adding it to my PCT. Oh yeah, and as far as libido, I didn't notice any shutdown until I bumped it up to 60mg. And even @ 60mg, shutdown is minimal.

    If anyone has ?s let me know.
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    Id have to congratulate you, that is a good cycle imo. 7lbs from epi and some numbers gained on your lifts....that is good bro.
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    Good in depth log, Liked it cuz i ran dhea for a month @ 100mg With taking serious mass thru optinum nutrition and rolled up 14lbs so lets see what epi does on it, im on day 7 lol and wanting it to kick in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattRoeske View Post
    Good in depth log, Liked it cuz i ran dhea for a month @ 100mg With taking serious mass thru optinum nutrition and rolled up 14lbs so lets see what epi does on it, im on day 7 lol and wanting it to kick in!
    14lbs from that?! how much serious mass were u taking in each day?
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    I was dong 1.5 servings a day so an added 1800 cals about 400 carbs + 75g protein etc all from serious mass
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    on like day 17 of Epi with added Dhea at 40mgs I boosted it up because 30 didnt seem like much now i get such a pump and feel like i can lift the whole gym, Hit some record #'s today in back/chest and ate 5 deep dish slices yest gained 2.2lbs haha
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    take some pics dude !
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    Good log, too bad I got in here late. Yeah, I was impressed and confused with DB exercises . . . who has 170 lb DBs? Then I realized that you added the 2 for a total.

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