"Mass Tabs" Log!!!

[Insidious1]

Hello everyone... i am starting a "Mass Tabs" by IDS labs log. It is NOT sponsored... but i see MANY of my buddies taking them and are getting REALLY good results.

I did a little research and will trying them out as my FIRST ProHormone Cycle....

Feel free to follow along.....

Stats

Age: 22
Weight: 162lbs
Height: 5'9"
B/F: Roughly 12-13%
I am unsure as to my Endo/Ecto/Meso morph status. I can gain weight easily when i am not working out and/or dieting. When i am on a hardcore routine, as i am now, i can LOSE weight... but can't seemt on on lots of mass..... So i cant consider myself a "hardgainer" as i KNOW i can pack on muscle, but FAT jsut as easily...

I Just cut down from 177 to 162.

Goal is to be 180- 185 in about 4 - 6 months. I train 5 days a week (Mon - FRi, isolating each muscle group per pay).

I eat and eat! Every 3 hours i try to consume 40 grams of protein or so. I cycle my carbs (but still keep then pretty low).

Supps i an currently on:

- Animal Pack Multi
- "ICE" BCAA Glutamine "Cocktail" (pre and post workout)
- USPLabs "PowerFull" (taken as directed)
- ON Whey Protein

I will be taking the above (minus the PowerFull) PLUS:

- "Mass Tabs" by IDS
- Cycle Support
- post cycle therapy and TestBooster... MOST likely (since i am ordering it) will be taking Anabolic Xtreme's "Mass Stack" as my PCT along with Liquid Nolvadex as my SERM (40/30/20/10).


I start "Mass Tabs" tomorrow.....

CRITIQUE AS MUCH AS YOU'D LIKE (especially in regards to PCT and SERM...)



My Workout Routine

Monday: Chest/Abs

Tuesday: Back

Wednesday: Legs/Abs

Thursday: Shoulders

Friday: Arms/Abs


As i go through my weeks, i will post the individual workouts and what i did along with my impressions...


Diet

Morning: Cup Oatmeal AND Protein shake or 6 Egg Whites

Snack (3 hrs later): Canned Tuna or Protein Shake

Workout (around 12:00 or 1:00)

Post Workout Drink: "Mass Recovery" by ABB

1.5 Hours AFTER workout: Complex carb/high protein combo

Dinner: Canned Tuna/Chix breast/fish/ etc.

3 hours Later: Low Carb Protein Shake

Before bed: POSSIBLE shake or maybe cottage cheese with grapes....



THAT IS A ROUGH IDEA of my daily intake. I cycle my carbs based on my most strenuous workout days. Article i read this from is here: Testosterone Nation - The Carb Cycling Codex


Good reading.....


Anyways... will update as i go along...

COULD USE SOME MOTIVATION... so feel free to subscribe to this one...

[The G Train]

I'm in. Good luck. I'd throw some creatine in there too for pct if you dont bloat too much, or beta-alanine to maintain strength.

[rpen22]

Good luck, bro!

[Insidious1]

Thank you SOOO much for the support everyone...

This WILL be an active thread... EVEN if i'm the only one posting!!! LOL I am determined to keep a good log as to have it for future training reference...

Here are a few Pics as of right now...


On a "good day"... LOL... Where the abs are nice....


Back.... (gotta get rid of those handles...)


Front.... (P.S. thats a Tattoo on my side... not some sort of growth or stain....)


This should serve as a decent "starting point" for some before and after pics....

Thanks again for subscribing ... i REALLY like the motivation...

[pistonpump]

Good luck. THings look good, I wish more newbies would ask questions and be respectful as you are.

The more you look forward to a cycle and the more you research and get everything real tight, the more successful the cycle becomes.

I like your training split.
Question: do you do calves just on leg day?

[Insidious1]

Good luck. THings look good, I wish more newbies would ask questions and be respectful as you are.

I like your training split.
Question: do you do calves just on leg day?

Thanks for following along, and as a noobie, i REALLY (not joking) appreciate EVERYONE's unput.

I will do my best to learn from what you all have experienced.

In regards to calves... yes, i tend to only do them on leg days... would you recommend otherwise?

[Insidious1]

Hello everyone... Day 1...... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Workout Routine

Chest/Abs Day:

Incline Press: 115/115/135/145 (i do 4 sets of 6-8 for MOST exercises, the numbers listed are the weight used)

DB Flat Press: 45/50/55/60

Weighted Dips: 25lb Plate, 3 sets of 8

DB Decline Press: 50/50/55/55

Machine Flies: 3 sets of 8-10 reps

Abs:

Leg Lifts: To Failure

"Jay" Crunches: To Failure

Ab Machine: 35/35/35/35




Diet Intake

9:00 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (2 scoops) + Wheat Pita

12:30 Snack: 1 Can Chunk lite Albacore Tuna (low sodium) + 1tbs real mayo


2:00 - 3 Chest/Abs Workout

3:30: "ICE" Amino Acid/Glutamine Mix (During and Post workout)

3:45: "Mass Recovery" by ABB POST workout drink (60 grams of carbs, 35 g Protein)

6:00: ON 100% Whey Protein shake (2 scoops)

8:30 Dinner: Half a Chix + 1 small Sweet Potato (40 g carbs)

11:30 Before Bed: Protein Shake (2 scoops)


Totals:

- Fat: 45-55 grams
- Carbs: 115-125 grams (65 "Complex" carbs/ 60 "Simple" carbs for post workout)
- Protein: 225-245 grams
- Calories: Not sure... doesn't seem like enough though. The protein shakes are only 240 Cals (w 2 scoops). I have about 3 a day. Tuna is low on cals....
- Water: Almost 2 galons


Supplement Intake

PLasmaval Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast



Other Supps (i.e. post cycle therapy/SERM/Cycle Support) will be here in two days. Cycle support will be run as directed.


Impressions

None so far. Its only day 1. A little upset stomach late in the day. Might have been the "Mass Recovery" drink... sometimes it does that to me. I had good pumps (from the Plasmavol i think).

I cant WAIT to hit up back tomorrow! Today's chest wasn;t the best... i am workout out at a new gym and am finding the right equipment and where its located. ALSO.. had no spotter.. so that made it hard to go REALLY heavy.

Overall, not a bad day! Can't wait until about a 1.5 weeks into this (thats when i hear it REALLY kicks in)

[Insidious1]

Quick Question for everyone....

Being on this cycle.. would everyone recommend i do about 30 minutes of cardio roughly 3-4 times a week?

Maybe distance runs.... OR sprints?

I am going to start consuming more carbs than i usually do. and could use the cardio...

Shall i save the cardio for AFTER my cycle instead... ?

Thoughts?

[pistonpump]

depends on how lean you want to stay...

if you are just purely bulking then cardio can be done 1 or twice a week.

if you want to stay lean then id opt for 3 long sessions and like 2 15min sessions a week.

i dont really like cardio much

[rpen22]

If you're debating between cardio now, or cardio during post cycle, my guess would be now. I'd think that cardio during post cycle would make it harder to keep the gains, but I really have no idea; just speculating.

[Insidious1]

Good point....

I'll keep the cardio to roughly 3 times a week... nothing CRAZY intense... just a little something to keep the abs from getting too blurry

[Insidious1]

Hello everyone... Day 2...... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Workout Routine

Back Day:

Weighted Pull-Ups: 15lbs hanging, 4 sets of 6-8

Seated Rows: 120/120/135/135

Bent-Over T Bar: 70/70/90/90

Singe Arm DB Pulls: 40/40/50/50

Lat Pull Downs: 110/110/120/130

Lat Pull-Down Negatives: 160lbs, hold for 15 seconds, slowly release.

20 Minutes Cardo



Diet Intake

Was REALLY tired. Stayed up a little late... trying to recover from a LONG weekend. Slept till 10:30

11:00 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (1 scoop) + 1 cup oatmeal + 1 cup eggwhites

1:00-2:15 Back Workout

2:30: ABB "Mass Recovery" Post workout drink

2:45: "ICE" Amino Acid/Glutamine Mix (During and Post workout)

4 Half a Chix + 1 small Sweet Potato (40 g carbs)

7:30 Dinner: ON 100% Whey Protein shake (1 scoops) + 5-6 oz Tilapia Filet + small salad no dressing

10:30: Protein Shake (2 scoops)

12:30: Another shake OR Cottage Cheese (if i'm awake)


Totals:

Didn't Calculate them. I just know i need MORE clean cals!!!


Supplement Intake

PLasmaval Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast



Other Supps (i.e. post cycle therapy/SERM/Cycle Support) will be here in 1 day. Cycle support will be run as directed.


Impressions

Again, nothing too much. ITs only day 2. I had good pumps (from the Plasmavol i think).

Great back workout today. I still feel it in my lats. I was told by a friend that my forarms seem a little more pumped and vascular. Don't know if that could be from the Mass Tabs... but i like it either way! LOL

Overall, not a bad day! Can't wait until about a 1.5 weeks into this (thats when i hear it REALLY kicks in)

**************QUESTIONS******* ********

****THOUGHTS ON MORE CLEAN CALS?!?! How do i get more "clean" cals in.... Any good ideas? ALSO... i read in the "Recipes" forum a good protein shake. It has over 700 cals! Is that TOO many cals for one serving? *****

Link to the Shake Recipe: Protien Shake ... My specialty.

[Insidious1]

bump

[The G Train]

Supposedly EFA's will help the uptake of alkylated steroids. I took 1 or 2 fish oil capsules with each dose during my cycle. Just an idea. Keep up the good work man.

[Insidious1]

Good Day today! And i wanted to say thank you to those who are following and helping me.

Again, its my first prohormone cycle... and i do A LOT of reading... but reading posts from ya'll helps even more! Keeps me motivated and wanting to hit the weights harder than i EVER have!

Thanks again....

BACK TO THE LOG!


Workout Routine

Legs/Abs:

Leg Extension: 120/120/120/120 (Warm up)

Squats ("FreeMotion" Machine): 240/240/260/260

Hamstrings: 75/75/75/75

Calves: Not sure on weight. As much as i could take. 4 sets.

Leg Press: 160/160/170/170

Abs

Leg Lifts: 3 Sets To Failure

Weighted Ab Machine: 35/35/35/35 (REALLY concentrating on the contraction)

Medicine Ball Sit-Ups: 15lb Ball/ 3 sets of 15

Cardio

20 Min RUN on the tredmill PRIOR to leg/ab workout.



Diet Intake

9:30 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (2 scoop) + Whole Wheat Pita w/ Natty Peanut butter and jelly.

12:45: Another Shake (2 scoops) WITH "Powerbutter" Peanut butter (2 tbs)

2:30: Preworkout Supps (Plasmaval + "Mass Tabs")

3:00: "ICE" Amino Acid/Glutamine Mix (During and Post workout)

3:00 - 4:15 Workout!!!:

4 Post Workout Shake (Muscle Milk)

6:30 Dinner: Half a Chix + 1 small Sweet Potato (40 g carbs)

9:30: Protein Shake (2 scoops) + 2 Tbs Natty Peanut Butter

12:30: Another shake OR Cottage Cheese (if i'm awake)


Totals:

Didn't Calculate them. Better than yesterday! Had to ATLEAST add 300-400 more cals from the peanut butter. Thanks for the tip!



Supplement Intake

"PLasmaval" Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast



Cycle Support Arrived. Will be taking with my protein shake tonight.


Impressions

Again, nothing too much. Its only day 3. I had good pumps (from the Plasmavol i think).

Good leg day. Not much to really judge, as legs are decent but tend to not be my big focal point. They are well developed due to years of wrestling and MMA.

I had a pull-up competitiion with a buddy in the gym. My back was pretty sore from yesterdays workout... but i still polished off 15 good ones. He did 9. SWEET! I think i could do 20 or so if i was "fresh".



Measurements

Took a few QUICK measurements today.

Arms: 14"

Chest: Barely over 38"

WIll take more measurements soon. I hope to get 15" or more arms by the end of the cycle. Chest is to grow, i SINCERELY hope! THAT IS MY WEAKPOINT!

Pics!!!


Majority of my supps!


The Cycle!!!!


Post Cycle Therapy + the SERM (liquid Nolvadex)

*****************QUESTIONS**** ***************
Any tips for bulding chest... ?!?!?!?!?? feel free to suggest!!! I'm open to suggestions!!!!!!!!

[The G Train]

Great workout. Congrats on the pullups, i need to improve on those. Goals are definitely realistic by the end of PCT i'd say, just keep up the intensity!!!

[Insidious1]

Thanks bro!


Question... anyone know much about the "AST Program"?

[The G Train]

AST program, you mean the MAX-OT program?

[Insidious1]

Workout Routine

Shoulders:

Lateral Raises: 20/20/20/20

DB Military Press: 45/50/50/55

Upright Rows: 85/85/85/85

70 degree incline Lateral Raises: 15/15/15/15

Shrugs: (machine that lets you put plates on it) 340/340/340/340 (ohhh yea!!! I love shrugs, they are the only "300" number anywhere in my workout!)




Diet Intake

8:00 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (2 scoop) + Banana + 1 tbs Natty Peanut butter + "Cycle Support" supplement

11:00: Canned Tuna w/ 1 tbs Mayo

2:00: Half a Chix + 1 small Sweet Potato (40 g carbs)

5:00: ON 100% Whey (2 scoops)

5 Preworkout Supps (i.e. "Mass Tabs", Plasmaval)

6:00 - 7:00: WORKOUT!!! ("ICE" Amino Acid/Glutamine Mix (During and Post workout)

6:30: Post Workout Shake (Lean Body Shake)

9:30 Sushi (no soy sauce. No rice. Just sliced tuna and eel)

1:00 am: Protein Shake (2 scoops) + 1 Tbs Natty Peanut Butter



Totals:

Didn't Calculate them. I don't think i will! LOL Too much time!



Supplement Intake

"PLasmaval" Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast

Cycle Support: Taken with protein shake in morning and evening


Impressions

Notice a LOT of vascularity! I LOVE IT! Strength is not up yet. And "size"... i don't presonally see anything yet. THOUGH i have had two people say my forearms look bigger....

In regards to SIDE EFFECTS.... None yet. My skin feels just a SLIGHT but more oily.... but it could just be my imagination. I am on the "lookout" for any sides....



Thanks for following along!!!!!



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G Train....


Yes... the Max OT is what i'm refferring to. It seems to be more of a HEAVY HEAVY routine that lets you do less reps and sets. I am unsure of how effective or how much "science" is really in it....

Thoughts?

[The G Train]

I subscribed to the MAX-OT program over a year ago. It's pros are that it shows you how to warm up properly, keeps you moving up in weight and motivated. They suggest a rep range of 4-6, but alot of the formal research (ACSM and NSCA) suggest a minimum of 6 reps for hypertrophy, anything under that is mainly strength gain not size. So I just use weight that allows me to get 6-8 reps, but absolute failure by rep 8 or I go up. And I never do under 3 sets for each exercise, MAX-OT offers that idea also, but hypertrophy is 3-6 sets.