I wasn't really looking to run anproduct alone. I was about to order Gaspari's (protien with ecdy), then just decided to go protien (syntrax ) plus . When the turk became available I grabbed it after hearing such good stuff about it. I've used ecdy from B-A-C in the past with decent to fair results. I'm also logging YG and some other fatloss goodies. I will increase protien but try to cut cals. I have pics up in my YG log. I am suppose to increase carbs for YG so this should be interesting. My goal is fat loss, or the ever elusive 'recomp'. Thoughts and/or suggestions welcome.