***NEW VICAINE PM LOGGER NEEDED***

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If anyone is interested in logging Vicaine PP, please let me know in the thread below. We will only be choosing a very limited number of loggers because we have a relatively small amount of inventory of this particular product.

I have posted some information on the product below...






Vicaine PM

"Prohedonic Opioid Anti-inflammatory Complex"



Available Now!!!

20% OFF: arnold20



Guys, Vicaine Om is now available! I will be providing a write-up on the product shortly, which will go in-depth on what it is and how it works.

In the meantime I will leave you with this...



"Vicaine PM is a opioid-based complex containing additional opioid potentiating, anti-tolerance and anti-inflammatory agents. There are no stimulants within Vicaine PM, making it an excellent alternative for anyone who wants to take the product at night (it won't interfere with sleep) or for those who desire a more pure opioid effect. Vicaine PM also contains 40% more tianeptine. In combination with its opioid potentiating and anti-inflammatory compounds, Vicaine PM supplies an extraordinarily potent opioid effect that is 50-75% stronger than the original Vicaine. Vicaine PM is an EXTREMELY powerful product. There is truly NOTHING else like it anywhere on the market."


Below I have posted several studies demonstrating the opioid potentiating, anti-tolerance, and anti-inflammatory effects of the secondary compounds in the new Vicaine PM.







A new and novel treatment of opioid dependence: Nigella sativa 500 mg.

Sangi S1, Ahmed SP, Channa MA, Ashfaq M, Mastoi SM.
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BACKGROUND: Opioid dependence is one of the major social and psychiatric problem of society. Unfortunately there is no non opiate treatment available. For centuries man has used plants for their healing proprieties. These plants play a fundamental part in all treatment modalities, both ancient and modern.

METHODS: This study was conducted to find non opiate treatment for opiate withdrawal. Total 35 known addicts of opiates were included in the study. This study was based on DSM IV criteria for opioid dependence.

RESULT: This study demonstrates that non opioid treatment for opioid addiction decreases the withdrawal effects significantly. It further demonstrates that there are no changes in physiological parameters of subjects during treatment (BP, Pulse rate etc.). There is increased appetite but no significant weight gain in the subjects.

CONCLUSION: Non opioid drug Nigella sativa is effective in long-term treatment of opioid dependence. It not merely cures the opioid dependence but also cures the infections and weakness from which majority of addicts suffer.

PMID: 19385474

Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19385474#




Black Cumin (Nigella sativa) and Its Active Constituent, Thymoquinone: An Overview on the Analgesic and Anti-inflammatory Effects.

Amin B1, Hosseinzadeh H2.
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For many centuries, seeds of Nigella sativa (black cumin), a dicotyledon of the Ranunculaceae family, have been used as a seasoning spice and food additive in the Middle East and Mediterranean areas. Traditionally, the plant is used for asthma, hypertension, diabetes, inflammation, cough, bronchitis, headache, eczema, fever, dizziness, and gastrointestinal disturbances. The literature regarding the biological activities of seeds of this plant is extensive, citing bronchodilative, anti-inflammatory, antinociceptive, antibacterial, hypotensive, hypolipidemic, cytotoxic, antidiabetic, and hepatoprotective effects. The active ingredients of N. sativa are mainly concentrated in the fixed or essential oil of seeds, which are responsible for most health benefits. This review will provide all updated reported activities of this plant with an emphasis on the antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory effects. Results of various studies have demonstrated that the oil, extracts, and their active ingredients, in particular, thymoquinone, possess antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory effects, supporting the common folk perception of N. Sativa as a potent analgesic and anti-inflammatory agent. Many protective properties are attributed to reproducible radical scavenging activity as well as an interaction with numerous molecular targets involved in inflammation, including proinflammatory enzymes and cytokines. However, there is a need for further investigations to find out the precise mechanisms responsible for the antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory effects of this plant and its active constituents.
Georg Thieme Verlag KG Stuttgart · New York.

PMID: 26366755 DOI: 10.1055/s-0035-1557838

Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26366755#




Effect of agmatine on the development of morphine dependence in rats: potential role of cAMP system

Feyza Aricioglu,a,b Andrea Means,b and Soundar Regunathanb,*
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Agmatine is an endogenous amine derived from arginine that potentiates morphine analgesia and blocks symptoms of naloxone-precipitated morphine withdrawal in rats. In this study, we sought to determine whether treatment with agmatine during the development of morphine dependence inhibits the withdrawal symptoms and that the effect is mediated by cAMP system. Exposure of rats to morphine for 7 days resulted in marked naloxone-induced withdrawal symptoms and agmatine treatment along with morphine significantly decreasing the withdrawal symptoms. The levels of cAMP were markedly increased in morphine-treated rat brain slices when incubated with naloxone and this increase was significantly reduced in rats treated with morphine and agmatine. The induction of tyrosine hydroxylase after morphine exposure was also reduced in locus coeruleus when agmatine was administered along with morphine. We conclude that agmatine reduces the development of dependence to morphine and that this effect is probably mediated by the inhibition of cAMP signaling pathway during chronic morphine exposure.

he most fascinating aspect of agmatine, an endogenous molecule, is its ability to potentiate the analgesic effect of morphine and at the same time to reduce the morphine dependence and withdrawal. The findings from this and previous reports suggest that increasing endogenous agmatine could offer novel therapeutic advantage in morphine analgesia and dependence. For example, combining agmatine with morphine during pain management, while reducing the effective dose of morphine, will also prevent the development of dependence to morphine.

Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2923207/




Effects of agmatine on tolerance to and substance dependence on morphine in mice.

Li J1, Li X, Pei G, Qin BY.
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To study the effects of agmatine on tolerance to and dependence on morphine.

METHODS: Inhibitory effects of agmatine on tolerance to and substance dependence on morphine were observed in mouse tolerant models and in mouse jumping test, respectively.

RESULTS: Agmatine 0.125-2.5 mg.kg-1 prevented the development of tolerant to morphine in a dose-dependent manner. Pretreatment of mice with morphine induced an over 3-fold increase in analgesic ED50 (20.1, 14.4-28.0 mg.kg-1) than those with normal saline (6.3, 5.1-7.8 mg.kg-1). Pretreatment of mice with both of agmatine and morphine made morphine loss the ability to induce tolerance. Withdrawal jumps and loss in body weight induced by naloxone in morphine-dependent mice were prevented by agmatine (2.5-10 mg.kg-1) in a dose-dependent manner. ED50 of naloxone (21.4, 18.4-24 mg.kg-1) required to precipitate withdrawal jumps in mice pretreated with both agmatine and morphine was 8 times higher than that with morphine alone (2.5, 2.1-2.8 mg.kg-1). These effects of agmatine were blocked by idazoxan.

CONCLUSION: Agmatine prevented tolerance to and substance dependence on morphine in mice by activation of imidazoline receptors.

PMID: 10452098

Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10452098




Agmatine potentiates the analgesic effect of morphine by an alpha(2)-adrenoceptor-mediated mechanism in mice.

Yeşilyurt O1, Uzbay IT.
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The effects of agmatine, which is an endogenous polyamine metabolite formed by decarboxylation of L-arginine, and a combination of agmatine and morphine on tail-flick test have been investigated in mice. Adult male Swiss-Webster mice were used in the study. Agmatine (10, 20 and 40 mg/kg), clonidine (0.15 mg/kg), yohimbine (0.625 and 1.25 mg/kg), or saline were injected into mice intraperitoneally. Morphine (1 and 2 mg/kg) was given subcutaneously. Agmatine alone did not produce any significant change on radiant tail-flick latencies, but it potentiated significantly and dose-dependently morphine-induced (1 mg/kg) analgesia. The potentiating effect of agmatine (40 mg/kg) on morphine-induced analgesia was blocked completely by yohimbine (0.625 mg/kg), a selective alpha(2)-adrenoceptor antagonist, pretreatment. Clonidine (0.15 mg/kg), an alpha(2-)adrenergic receptor agonist, caused a significant increase of the tail-flick latencies of the mice. Yohimbine (0.625 mg/kg) also blocked clonidine-induced analgesia. In addition, yohimbine (0.625 mg/kg) was ineffective on the tail-flick test and did not produce any significant change on the morphine-induced analgesia. Our results indicate that cotreatment of agmatine with morphine produces antinociceptive enhancement via an alpha(2-)adrenergic receptor-mediated mechanism and agmatine-morphine combination may be an effective therapeutic strategy for medical treatment of pain.

PMID: 11377923 DOI: 10.1016/S0893-133X(00)00245-1

Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11377923
 

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I am here to put my body on the line for science.
 
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What exactly are you looking for from loggers?
 
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I am up for logging Vicaine PM. What are you looking for from the potential loggers?
 
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I'd be up for giving this a run. Very intrigued by the original vicaine, but this would fit my schedule far better as I travel for a living and spend most of my evenings in hotels doing nothing exciting.

What kind of expectations should the testers have going in and what do you want commentary on?
 

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I purchased the original VICAINE last week but I would be love to try this as well. If that black seed stuff really works you should add it to the original VICAINE.
 
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The inclusion of black seed oil is nice.
 

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I would love to log this. Admittedly I have not done a supplement log here but I do have the time, and I have plenty of experience with prescription opioids stemming from multiple surgeries, so I would have plenty to compare the effects to.
 
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I am definitely interested in logging this. I would be giving my girlfriend some as well and would report her thoughts alongside mine, so if that's fine then I could pretty much do anything else you'd like for a log.
 
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I'm down to try this. Ive been interested in it since I first heard of it
 
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What do you mean since 2 days ago

This thread isnt the first time I heard about it...
You know you are applying for the Vicaine PM version right?
The product info was just released two days ago.
 
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You know you are applying for the Vicaine PM version right?
The product info was just released two days ago.
Oh I didn't notice that. I didnt know there was a PM version.
 
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I would deffo be in to log this btw
 
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would love to log this product..

curious if you are expecting this to be dosed daily... couple days a week etc..

i guess a better understanding of the expectation would be awesome
 

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I will select loggers soon and let everyone know what I am looking for from the loggers.
 
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Ordering soma and a back up bottle of the original vicaine.
 

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I am ready to fit the mold and become one with Vicaine pm.
 
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I would love to log this for you Mike. After WesleyInman sent me some samples I became a believer and bought vicaine. I really liked the initial feeling however I think something in the stim complex didn't agree with me and I sold that bottle. I would think the pm complex would be on point for me.
 
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Any updates in here Mike Arnold
 
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I would log it as you know. I ordered the pure Tianeptine Sodium powder and took 1 gram of it in like 5 days. Honestly it was a pain in the ass putting it into capsules and not being sure how much I was getting each time.
 

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I would also like to log, probably too new here but will follow logs if I'm not chosen either way,
I have good experience with kratom, opiates from surgey, and benzos from anxiety,
 
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Mike Arnold is this still happening?
 

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My nerves are tingling thinking about this product
 
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Me too, I really wanna try it. I bought the reg vicaine and really liked it but the stim complex didn't agree w me. I don't want to spend another 65$ for something that I can't take
 
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Me too, I really wanna try it. I bought the reg vicaine and really liked it but the stim complex didn't agree w me. I don't want to spend another 65$ for something that I can't take
The PM version is not $65 bucks. Don't forget they have a 20% off code.
 
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Are you still wanting loggers Mike Arnold
 
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I'm going with no lol since the last six tags of him and wesley have gotten no response.
I am sure they are more worried about handling the CC issues they are having then giving us some free product. Just sayin...
 
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I'm going with no lol since the last six tags of him and wesley have gotten no response.
I know man I figured maybe Mike Arnold would respond to his own thread but I guess not we should just abandon hope... Him or WesleyInman sigh lol

Seriously I may just shell out for a bottle.
 
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I am sure they are more worried about handling the CC issues they are having then giving us some free product. Just sayin...
I'm sure they are. It was tongue-in-cheek response, bud.
 
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I know man I figured maybe Mike Arnold would respond to his own thread but I guess not we should just abandon hope... Him or WesleyInman sigh lol

Seriously I may just shell out for a bottle.
Guys I have never seen my name tagged once.

Someone please say I have ever avoided commenting. You will never ever hear that because I will never do that.
Let me read this and respond.
 
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Ok so guys

I never even saw this thread.

Mike did this thread and was in charge of it and he has been beyond busy.

But what I will do is get ahold of him off the forum.

I do not know a single thing about who he has chosen, etc, etc... I am actually not involved in this logging opportunity like I was the last time.

In the meantime if someone wants to order products from MA labs manually..the merchant account is down. Email me at "[email protected]" and give me your screen name, an email to invoice you to, and a shipping address. Invoices and shipments take 24-48 hours to get going M-F only. NO HOLIDAYS!!!

I work 7 days per week and so you will get a response usually within 24 hours or sooner.

I apologize, but I give you guys my word I never ever saw my name tagged in this until today. Thank you for your patience :)
 
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Ok so guys

I never even saw this thread.

Mike did this thread and was in charge of it and he has been beyond busy.

But what I will do is get ahold of him off the forum.

I do not know a single thing about who he has chosen, etc, etc... I am actually not involved in this logging opportunity like I was the last time.

In the meantime if someone wants to order products from MA labs manually..the merchant account is down. Email me at "[email protected]" and give me your screen name, an email to invoice you to, and a shipping address. Invoices and shipments take 24-48 hours to get going M-F only. NO HOLIDAYS!!!

I work 7 days per week and so you will get a response usually within 24 hours or sooner.

I apologize, but I give you guys my word I never ever saw my name tagged in this until today. Thank you for your patience :)
No worries man, y'all are solid. I was just making light of it. I do really want to try the pm as I'm hoping it will work like I believe without the stims complex. I got great effects initially off 3 caps of vicaine. The next day I got hit with terrible rebound depression and heard sunifiram does that to some people. I'm hoping the pm doesn't give me that but am leary of buying another bottle. Hoping for a couple samples at the very least brother.
 
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No worries man, y'all are solid. I was just making light of it. I do really want to try the pm as I'm hoping it will work like I believe without the stims. I got terrible rebound depression from the regular vicaine and heard sunifiram does that to some people. I'm hoping the pm doesn't give me that but am leary of buying another bottle. Hopefully I could get a couple to try as samples at the very least brother.
Ty for the response.

My understanding is that no samples will be sent out.

I'd like to try it too.

If I come across any samples in the near future, I will post up about it..but I cannot guarantee it. I have to buy a bottle just like anyone else with a discount code..and of course I use my own :)
WES20
 
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Ty for the response.

My understanding is that no samples will be sent out.

I'd like to try it too.

If I come across any samples in the near future, I will post up about it..but I cannot guarantee it. I have to buy a bottle just like anyone else with a discount code..and of course I use my own :)
WES20
Yeah I bought the regular vicaine and couldn't use it so am skeptical of spending... Its all good bro, I'm not really worried about it lol
 
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WesleyInman what's up w the website... Tried to order and it says bitcoin payment??
 
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WesleyInman what's up w the website... Tried to order and it says bitcoin payment??
Godstrength yes sir, the merchant account is down

BUT I can take manual orders. Please PM me at "[email protected]"

I need ur user name, shipping address, what you want and then the Discount code you want to use? WES20 or Arnold20

Then I will invoice you within 24 hours. Once you pay orders ship within 24-48 hours max.

But I am personally handling these so though its a tiny bit slower then normal, you can still get what you need!!!!!!!!

This offer goes for anyone here.

Let me know, thanks guys!!!!!!!!
 
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WesleyInman have you gotten any more info on if this logging op is going to happen or not?
 

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Guys, it will happen. As I stated in another thread here, I have been M.I.A. the last couple weeks due to the unexpected closure of our merchant account. Unfortunately, this is a common occurrence in this industry. As a result I have been extremely busy (and stressed) trying to get things going as soon as possible.

For the first 10 or so days after the closure, we couldn't really take any orders, so there was no point in doing any logging when people couldn't order. I should've stopped back in here to let you guys know, but the truth is that I was so overwhelmed that I didn't go into ANY boards until today.

We have started taking orders again, but not through the website. See below:

MA Labs Orders


For anyone interested in making an MA Labs purchase, please contact me at the following email for ordering options: [email protected]

Note: You can NOT order through the website right now (hopefully soon), but I am taking orders via a secured email address. Multiple payment options are available. I have offered multiple incentives (good ones) for anyone who orders during this time.



We are hoping to have a new merchant account within the week. We can't say for sure, but only that is it more likely than not. As soon as the merchant re-opens I will immediately select loggers for Vicaine PM and finally get this thread under way. My apologies for the lengthy delay and thank you very much for your patience. I hope to have things back on track very soon.
 
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best of luck mike... have a bottle of you vicaine and it is very enjoyable
 
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Awesome news... You have great products so I know the website issues must be both stressful and frustrating. No worries bro, I think you've built some loyal customers willing to be patient ?
 

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Awesome news... You have great products so I know the website issues must be both stressful and frustrating. No worries bro, I think you've built some loyal customers willing to be patient ��
Thank you. :)
 
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Since I have now bought and tried this product I figure I would leave a suggestion here. In my opinion this product would be better if they lowered the tianeptine and added more black seed oil in each capsule. Just my 2 cents.

I love the regular Vicaine and feel this PM version could be a good addition to their line. Just need to tweak the ingredient doses a little.
 
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Since I have now bought and tried this product I figure I would leave a suggestion here. In my opinion this product would be better if they lowered the tianeptine and added more black seed oil in each capsule. Just my 2 cents.

I love the regular Vicaine and feel this PM version could be a good addition to their line. Just need to tweak the ingredient doses a little.
can you elaborate (or link to it) on your experience? compare to regular version?
 

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