MA Labs: Loggers Wanted.

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Product Loggers Wanted...Are you Interested?




Hi, guys. As you can see, MA Labs has become a sponsor here at Anabolic Minds (this is the 1st board I chose for sponsorship outside of my home board) and for the first time in a long time I find myself sitting on the outside looking in. Until today I have spent the majority of my time posting on a fairly limited number of websites, during which time MA Labs grew rapidly. In addition to selling one-of-a-kind products, our initial success was due to us having already met the most important criteria for establishing a successful business--trust among the community members.

However, I am not so foolish as to think I can just walk in here and expect things to be the same way right off the bat. I am fully aware that I must earn your trust and what better way to start doing that than to have members of this community use our products.


We currently have two products available, with several more being released soon. For now, we are looking for several individuals to log both Vicaine and Somatozine.




Vicaine: Vicaine is an on opioid-stimulant complex. As the first and only product of its kind, Vicaine contains powerful compounds such a fluorinated modafinil (MA Labs is the first to bring fluorinated modafinil to the OTC market) and tianeptine, as well as a half-dozen other powerful compounds. This product is extremely potent and should not be used by those with a current or previous history of opioid addiction, as it includes a legal full-opioid agonist (tianeptine). Vicaine utilizes extremely large doses of tianeptine, making it comparable to roughly 10-20 mg of oxycodone/hydrocodone in terms of analgesic and euphoric potency. This is not my opinion, but the opinion of dozens of customers who have made this comparison publicly. Vicaine also provides a potent stimulant effect comparable to Adderall. There is much to learn about this product, so anyone who wants to log it MUST read the product description, which I will copy & paste below in its own post. It is important that potential loggers know exactly what this product is and what to expect PRIOR to using it.

Somatozine (MK-677 Enhanced): Somatozine is the most powerful growth hormone secretagogue in production today. At its core it is an MK-677 product, but rather than containing MK-677 alone, it also includes multiple other ingredients scientifically proven to further increase GH, IGF-1, and IGFBP-3 levels, as well as levels of free GH. Somatozine works through over a dozen scientifically validated pathways to not only increase the quantity of these hormones in the body, but to improve their half-lives and bioavailability. This makes it significantly superior to MK-677 alone...and it does so at a lower price than most solo MK-677 products. This makes it not only the most effective MK product on the market, but also the best value.





Selection Criteria for Loggers...

1.) Must be a member for at least one year, but may be willing to make an exception if the individual in question is vouched for by several long-term members.

2.) Must have at least 1,000 posts.

3.) Must be considered a repspectable, honest, and unbiased member of the community, with a prior history of providing honest and thorough feedback on other supplements/PEDs.

4.) Cannot work /rep for other supplement companies, peptide-research companies, and/or UGLs (working for a UGL is acceptable so long as the UGL the individual works/reps for does NOT sell MK-677).


5.) Some people do not like the feeling of opioids. If this is you, please do not ask to log Vicaine, as your review will be more likely to reflect your personal bias, thereby tainting your review/log. This doesn't help anyone, including the members here. Just as someone who doesn't like stimulants shouldn't log a DMAA product, neither should those who dislike opioids log Vicaine. It just makes sense. Thank you. On the contrary, those who do like the effects of opioids would be ideal loggers.



I am looking for 3 members each to log both Vicaine and Somatozine. Please respond in this thread if interested, along with any reason why you feel you should be selected.​



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I've ran mk677 for 6 months last year and am about to start another 6 month + run, I don't meet the criteria but would love the chance to try the somatozine! Can you link to where I can buy?
 
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Vicaine

“Prohedonic Opioid-Stimulant Complex”





Vicaine at a Glance....

Produces both Stimulatory and Opiate-like Effects
Induces Euphoria and Increases Energy Levels
Enhances both Physical and Mental Performance
Promotes a Positive Outlook and Increases Motivation
Provides Potent Analgesic (e.g. pain killing) Effects
Significantly Reduces Cortisol Levels
Potent Kratom Alternative
Modafinil Replacement
Ideal for Pre-Workout Use, Contest Prep, or Anytime its Effects are Desired
Unmatched in the Industry—the 1st and ONLY Product of its Kind




It’s all in the Name, or is it?

After spending weeks trying to come up with a concise description for this product, I was finally forced to concede the futility of my task. You see, Vicaine’s effect profile is so diverse that attempting to convey the totality of its effects through drug comparison alone just isn’t feasible; at least not without imparting a partial and skewed impression of its true nature. Panting a clear picture requires the employment and dissection of a wide variety of different terms, some of which include: revolutionary pre-workout, modafinil replacement, Kratom alternative, physical performance enhancer, pain-killer, cognitive amplifier, euphoriant, speed-ball in a bottle, stress-reducing agent, energy-booster, etc. While all of these terms accurately reflect different aspects of the Vicaine experience, we need look no further than its name to gain a fairly good understanding of what it is all about.

As its name (a portmanteau word) suggests, Vicaine possesses both stimulatory and opiate-like properties with a strong dopaminergic element, making it suitable for a vast array of potential applications both inside and outside of the gym. In fact, it is the first and ONLY product of its kind, created specifically to provide the user with an experience previously unobtainable in the supplement world. But rather than engaging in product flattery, let's bypass the vague promises and worthless hype typically found in ads of this nature and instead provide you with all the information you need to make an educated decision regarding Vicaine's potential place in your program.

At its core, Vicaine is a combination product comprised of two primary components, or halves, which are responsible for generating the majority of its effects and shaping its unique character. Containing potent dopaminergic-stimulants and a full-opioid agonist, its functions might at first appear to be contradictory, even oppositional in nature. Yet, experience has shown that when these two elements are combined in a balanced fashion, the end result is nothing short of spectacular, providing the user with the best of both worlds and ensuring a highly memorable (and pleasurable) experience. However, this only describes Vicaine in its most basic sense. In order to truly understand what we are dealing with we need to look at each ingredient separately.





It’s Role as a Stimulant

When deciding on the ideal stimulant profile for the Vicaine formula, the criteria for selection was 4-fold:

It must be able to produce a stimulant effect powerful enough to sustain even the most grueling training sessions/physical activity.

It must be a pleasure to use, lacking all the dirty/bad feelings that often accompany other stimulants on the market (DMAA, anyone?).

It cannot cause anxiety, the jitters, or post-use crash, as these are some of the biggest complaints associated with traditional stimulant-based products.

Lastly, it must be cardiovascularly friendly—no significant increases in heart rate and blood pressure.


This automatically precludes the majority of stimulants on the market today, but we are in luck because the best stimulants are capable of doing all this and more! You don’t think so? You will in a minute, but first let’s start out with the most well known of the bunch—caffeine. Yeah I know, caffeine has been around forever and is nothing exciting, but it is the most popular stimulant in the world—and for good reason—because it works and it works well. It produces a strong, energizing, feel-good effect that appeals to the majority, while possessing a relatively benign side effect profile when used responsibly. Although caffeine is capable of causing an increase in heart rate and blood pressure when administered at higher dosages, research has shown that these side effects are non-existent when used at 200 mg or less. As a result, its inclusion in the Vicaine formula was a no-brainer.

The next stimulant on the list is theacrine (also commonly referred to as TeaCrine; a patented version of theacrine). I am sure most of you have heard about this stuff by now, as it drew quite a bit of attention when it was first released a couple years ago. However, its high production cost has stopped many supplement companies from including it in their products and when they do it is usually severely under-dosed, preventing the user from experiencing its full benefits. Just as using 25-50 mg of caffeine isn't going to provide anywhere near the mood and energy boosting effects of 200 mg, neither will 25-50 mg of theacrine (the dose typically found in most other products) come anywhere close to providing the same benefits as 200 mg (the dose found to be most effective in clinical research). This is an important point to consider...because if you've purchased a theacrine containing product in the past, chances are it was severely under-dosed—a problem you don’t need to worry about with Vicaine. Overall, I believe theacrine shares the top spot with caffeine as the best CNS stimulant on the market, but what exactly is it?

Extracted from the Kucha plant, theacrine is a purine alkaloid with close similarities to caffeine in terms of both molecular structure and effect. In fact, it is naturally synthesized from caffeine in various plants throughout the world and functions primarily as an adenosine receptor antagonist; the same mechanism through which caffeine mediates its beneficial effects. However, there are also distinct differences between these two substances. Whereas tolerance to caffeine develops rapidly, theacrine appears to be resistant to tolerance build-up, allowing the individual to continue experiencing its full effects with repeated use. It is also more forgiving in the side effects department, being much less likely to cause the jitters, anxiety, or post-use crash than its harsher brother. Theacrine provides a variety of additional benefits, all of which are useful for bodybuilders. These include analgesic and anti-inflammatory effects, as well as a significant degree of hepatic protection. Together, these qualities help create an environment more conducive to intense training and muscular recovery, while also helping to mitigate the negative effects of methylated (e.g. oral) AAS use on liver function.

Both of these compounds have received high praise from consumers and researchers alike, but what happens when we combine them? Well, researchers did just that in an attempt to find out how this combination affects both the mind and body, measuring subjective feelings such as mood and energy levels, as well as cardiovascular markers like heart rate and blood pressure. The results were impressive, to say the least. Not only did this combination provide superior improvements in mood and energy levels compared to caffeine alone (suggesting an additive dopaminergic effect), but even when using moderately high dosages of both drugs, blood pressure and heart rate remained unaffected!

Even if these were the only stimulants I chose to include in the Vicaine formula, it still would have been superior to most other stimulant-based products on the market, but this wasn’t good enough. I knew it needed something more; something that was truly complimentary and capable of enhancing the overall experience in ways that other products were failing to do. Adding in another CNS stimulant would’ve been overkill. After all, if I wanted additional horsepower in that area I would’ve just increased the caffeine and/or theacrine dose. But as most of you know, increasing the dose of CNS stimulants beyond a certain point rarely produces a better result, as it usually tilts the ratio of positive to negative effects in favor of the negative. This ultimately makes the user feel worse and leads to a decrease in performance.

We’ve all seen companies go down this road before. They load their products with gross amounts of CNS stimulants so they can claim to sell “the most powerful pre-workout on the market”. Unfortunately, when it comes to CNS stimulants this “more is better” philosophy is more of a marketing gimmick than a product improvement. If total dosage was the sole determinant of product efficacy, why not just gobble down 1,000 mg of caffeine and 150 mg of DMAA every time you need a pick me up? It will certainly give you a jolt, but it will also make you feel horrible and probably put you in the hospital with heart palpitations. The truth is that creating the ideal stimulant-based product is about much more than just dosage. It’s about finding a combination of ingredients that, when administered in the correct dosages and ratio, enables the user to feel and function to the best of his/her ability. This can only be accomplished by carefully considering and manipulating all the necessary variables. Simply dumping a ton of low quality CNS stimulants into a product is a cheap, lazy, and inferior approach to product design.


This is why I chose sunifiram—considered by many to be the world’s most powerful nootropic. Belonging to the ampakine family of compounds, sunifiram activates a specific sub-set of glutamate receptors known as the AMPA receptor and according to researchers, it possesses an estimated potency 1,000 times greater than piracetam. However, because it works through a completely different pathway than traditional stimulants, it is able to further improve the product’s effectiveness without causing an increase in CNS related side effects. Sunifiram’s effects are primarily cerebral in nature, leading to improved cognition, focus, and mood, as well as increased wakefulness and the enhanced interpretation of sensory input. When used in combination with CNS stimulants like caffeine and theacrine, performance is enhanced in ways that cannot be obtained with traditional stimulants alone.

And now it’s time to reveal what I consider to be the most fascinating component of Vicaine’s stimulant complex. I am talking about fluorinated modafinil, an extremely potent variant of the prescription medication modafinil and armodafinil (brand names Provigil and Nuvigil, respectively). Despite providing stimulant-like effects, fluorinated modafinil (which will henceforth be referred to as flmodafinil) is not a stimulant in the traditional sense, but belongs to a unique class of compounds known as eugeroics (meaning “good arousal”). Flmodafinil has been getting rave reviews in the nootropics-research community and is currently undergoing Stage 4 clinical testing for use as an ADHD drug.

A full 4 times stronger than modafinil, flmodafinil is not a precursor molecule like adrafinil, but a fully active modafinil analogue with incredible potency. That’s right, this stuff is superior to modafinil/armodafinil and the pharmaceutical companies know it, which is why they are scrambling to get this stuff onto the market as soon as possible. Diverse in its mechanisms of action, it works through the dopaminergic, glutamanergic, histaminergic, and orexinergic systems, but its most fascinating characteristic is the way that it interacts with the dopaminergic system. In short, Flmodafinil is a dopamine re-uptake inhibitor, which means it works through the same exact pathway as cocaine. This provides a feel-good effect similar to, although not as strong as this rec. drug. However, Flmodafinil is not a rec. drug substitute, but a safe, genuine performance enhancer that works through multiple pathways to improve both physical and mental performance, as well as mood. MA Labs is the first company to bring this powerful new compound to the bodybuilding-fitness community.





It’s Role as an Opioid Receptor Agonist​
If you thought the previous section was interesting, I'm about to take things to a whole new level and prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Vicaine is truly the first of its kind and completely different than any other product ever released. But first, let’s address the skepticism that typically accompanies the following claim. For most people, after hearing that a product produces “opiate-like” effects, the natural reaction is usually something akin to “yeah, right...sure it does, buddy...this is nothing but a bunch of marketing B.S.” Given the sheer magnitude of the claim, this reaction is understandable. After all, we all know that opioids are illegal and only found in highly controlled drugs like Vicodin, Percocet, Oxycontin, etc. I will admit I was skeptical in the beginning too, which is why I am going to temporarily forgive your lack of faith. However, once I started doing some research I quickly learned that the following compound not only has the ability to function in this capacity, but it does so with a surprisingly high degree of efficacy. No matter where I looked, everyone and everything was saying the same thing—that this stuff provides undeniable opiate-like effects on par with prescription medications. This has been confirmed not only anecdotally, but scientifically as well, with decades of literature attesting to this fact. Ultimately, any lingering doubts I may have had were removed through self-experimentation.

This raises a big question, which is “why on Earth would I include a compound like this in a bodybuilding product?” Certainly, most, if not all of us have used opioids at some point in the past, whether due to injury or otherwise. As a result, we quickly learned that these drugs are more conducive to lying on the couch than picking up weights, but this is where prescription opioids end and tianeptine—the compound in question—begins. This will all become clear in a moment, but let me start off by asking you to keep an open mind for the next few minutes as I kick things off with a few relatively unknown facts. First off, tianeptine is the ONLY full-opioid agonist (kratom is a partial-opioid agonist) that hasn’t yet been scheduled as a controlled substance in the United States. Truthfully, it probably won’t be long before this happens, as it has already occurred in many European and Asian countries (note: tianeptine is officially recognized as a controlled substance in numerous countries around the world). However, tianeptine differs from other opioid agonists significantly in terms of both function and safety, as we will soon see below.

Originally developed as a mood-brightening agent by The French Society of Medical Research, tianeptine was initially classified as a selective serotonin re-uptake enhancer, or S.S.R.E. (the first and only compound of its kind), and used as an anti-depressant with great success. But later research cast doubt on its efficacy as an S.S.R.E., leading researcher’s to re-evaluate its primary mechanism of action. It was eventually decided that the majority, if not nearly all of tianeptine’s positive effects on mood were attributable to a single trait—its ability to activate opioid receptors.

There are 3 primary opioid receptors in the brain (delta, kappa, and mu), each of which produces different effects in the body. Activation of the delta-receptor provides analgesic (i.e. pain-killing) and anti-depressant effects, while the mu-receptor provides analgesic and euphoric effects. The kappa-receptor is the bad guy of the bunch, providing effects contrary to those usually associated with opiates, such as depression and agitation. Tianeptine attaches to these receptors in the same way that traditional opiates do, displaying strong activity at the mu-receptor (primarily responsible for triggering euphoria), moderate activity at the delta-receptor (partially responsible for triggering euphoria), and negligible activity at the kappa-receptor. In other words, this stuff works through the same feel-good mechanism as traditional opiates, but with an even higher degree of selectivity for the mu and delta-receptor.

Up this point I have focused primarily on tianeptine’s ability to activate opioid receptors and the subsequent feel-good effect that results from it. Naturally, this draws a close association between tianeptine and the various prescription opiates; an association I previously pointed out. However, if you think its sole purpose is the make the user feel good, think again, as that would wholly mischaracterize the reason for its inclusion in the Vicaine formula. You see, one of the biggest differences between prescription opiates and tianeptine is that when administered at efficacious doses it does not result in cognitive decline, decreased psychomotor activity, or sedation. In other words, it will not hinder your workouts. In fact, it has even been shown to have the opposite effect by helping to augment cognitive function, increase attention span, and improve exercise performance!

This is a big deal and must be acknowledged if the reader hopes to gain a full understanding of this amazing substance. Although the mechanisms through which tianeptine works have not yet been full elucidated, researchers believe that, in addition to activating the opioid receptor, it also possesses activity at the AMPA receptor, dopamine receptor, and NDMA receptor. This would account for (at least in part) its unique ability to provide mild stimulant-like effects in the face of opioid receptor activation. Basically, tianeptine provides all the positive effects of traditional opiates without causing the CNS depression (drowsiness, impaired motor skills, etc) of prescription opioids, thereby eliminating the one trait that could negatively impact exercise performance. This is something that has never been witnessed before and why it functions so marvelously as part of the Vicaine formula. With that said, it is important to note that tianeptine’s opiate-like effect can overpower its stimulant effect when administering large dosages. For this reason Vicaine has a number of different dosing options available, which allows users to tailor their dose according to their needs (training vs. pain-relief, for example).

For those of you who haven’t yet drawn the connection, tianeptine’s potency as an opioid receptor agonist means it functions as a highly effective analgesic (e.g. pain-killer) and when I say “highly effective”, I mean HIGHLY effective! Just to make sure you are properly understanding me here, I will remove any subjectivity from that comment by stating unequivocally that it works just as well as most of the prescription opioids found on pharmacy shelves. With such a large number of bodybuilders suffering from chronic/debilitating aches & pains, the potential implications as a training aid are obvious. Up until now, many of these individuals were forced to rely on N.S.A.I.Ds, which are not only damaging to the kidneys and cardiovascular system, but also inhibit protein synthesis. Tianeptine provides an alternative to this side effect heavy class of drugs while exhibiting far superior pain-killing effects.

Further enhancing Vicaine's pain-killing properties is flmodafinil (mentioned above), which has been clinically demonstrated to potentiate the analgesic effect of drugs which bind the opioid receptor. In other words, it transforms tianeptine into an even more powerful pain-reducing agent—without the slightest detrimental effect on exercise performance. L-theanine (another compound in Vicaine that I will talk about shortly) functions in a similar capacity by reducing tolerance build-up and limiting physical dependence in opioid-abusive individuals.

Tianeptine also provides several other benefits unrelated to those listed above, one of which is the ability to significantly reduce cortisol levels. As the most catabolic substance in the body, excessive production of this hormone can have a profoundly negative effect on our physiology, resulting in impaired muscle growth, accelerated fat gain, and insulin resistance. Bodybuilders need to remain particularly diligent when it comes to cortisol management, as the presence of multiple risk factors (intense physical exertion, cardio, stimulant use, etc) nearly guarantees the presence of elevated cortisol levels. Unfortunately, few bodybuilders are aware that they even have this problem or the degree to which it can negatively impact their progress, while even fewer take steps to correct it. Tianeptine can help correct this hormonal imbalance, accelerating one’s muscle building and fat loss efforts. As an added perk, it has also been shown to provide powerful neuroprotective effects, promoting brain health via an increased rate of neuronal survival and improved synaptic plasticity. Many have speculated that this may have long-term benefits in terms of degenerative brain disease prevention. Lastly, tianeptine tends to balance out the stimulant half of the product by alleviating any anxiety or restlessness that may transpire through stimulant use.

Guys, I know all this is hard to believe. No matter how many people put up reviews confirming everything I’ve just said, I still get tons of people sending me personal messages asking “Mike, does it really do everything you say it does?” Being that no other OTC product has ever provided an effect profile even remotely similar to Vicaine, some people just can’t believe it. They wonder how it is possible for a legal product to produce effects normally reserved for only the most powerful prescription drugs. Some people simply have to try it before their doubts are lifted.





Interesting Additions

In addition to Vicaine’s core components, I have also included a variety of supportive ingredients designed to further enhance the overall experience. One of these is choline, a nutrient essential for proper neurotransmitter function and which enables several of the ingredients within Vicaine to work to their maximum potential. Unfortunately, most modern diets are deficient in this important nutrient, making one more likely to experience a number of health problems, such as muscle damage, liver damage, cardiovascular damage, diabetes, impaired cognitive function, degenerative-mental disorders, and many others. Choline supplementation becomes particularly important when engaging in activities and/or using drugs/supplements which deplete this vital nutrient. L-theanine has also been included because of its ability to combat caffeine’s potential CNS related side effects (jitteriness, anxiety, etc) and its positive effects on dopaminergic function.





The First of Many

Once again, MA LABS has pulled out all the stops in an effort to make sure that you, our brothers and sisters in iron, have unbridled access to one of the most cutting-edge and controversial products ever released in the bodybuilding-fitness community. In addition to its profound and multi-faceted effect profile, every ingredient found in the Vicaine formula has been dosed for maximum effectiveness. You won’t find any half-ass measures here, nor will you ever. At MA LABS we are committed to excellence on every front, while relentlessly pursuing best-in-class status in all product categories. As the first product of its kind, we are excited to release to you our latest creation. We hope you enjoy it thoroughly.


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Somatozine

MK-677 (Enhanced)

“Growth Hormone Super Secretagogue”






Somatozine at a Glance...

• The Most Effective Growth Hormone Product on the Market
• Comparable to 4-5 iu of Pharmacy-Grade Growth Hormone per Day
• Potentiates the Anabolic Effect of Growth Hormone in Muscle Tissue
• Up-Regulates Hepatic IGF-1 Conversion Rates
• Improves IGF-1 Bioavailability
• Increases IGF-1 Half-Life
• Raises Free Growth Hormone Levels
• Lowers Cortisol Levels
• Increased Convenience (capsules are easier to take, store, and transport than liquid preparations)
• No Nasty After-taste!
• Superior Value (you get more for your money than with any other MK-677 product on the market, period)






A Bold Claim

For those of you who are familiar with traditional MK-677 products, there is probably a single question running through your mind right now. “What makes your MK-677 product better than the rest?” For those of you who are not already aware, MK-677 is widely regarded as the single most effective growth hormone elevating compound in the world. Aside from its sheer potency, both its oral bioavailability and long duration of action have made it a favorite among bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts everywhere, allowing one to obtain all the benefits of exogenous growth hormone without the hassle, cost, or legal issues associated with prescription/injectable medications.

Genuine MK-677 is sold by 100’s of vendors worldwide, but with product differentiation almost non-existent among competitors, cost tends to factor heavily into a buyer’s purchase decisions. This is not necessarily a good or bad thing, but the inevitable result of each company selling the exact same product. Well, at MA Labs good isn’t good enough. If a product can be further improved we are obligated to do so and that is exactly what we have done with Somatozine. As the world’s most comprehensive and powerful growth hormone elevating formula, Somatozine has been designed to promote increases in GH through multiple pathways, while providing MK-677 with a superior foundation from which to work its magick.

Although growth hormone provides us with several benefits directly applicable to bodybuilding, it is its ability to increase IGF-1 levels that is almost entirely responsible for its muscle building effect, and to a lesser degree, its ability to induce fat loss. Therefore, in addition to maximizing GH output, we have also taken steps to ensure the creation of an IGF-1 powerhouse without equal; a task accomplished by increasing the liver’s conversion rate of growth hormone to IGF-1, improving its bioavailability, and extending its half-life in plasma. For those of you who desire to learn more, the next few pages will reveal the individual components of the Somatozine formula and how they work in the body to deliver results beyond that of MK-677 alone.




Laying the Foundation
The first ingredient to make the list is zinc. Classified as a mineral, zinc may appear somewhat mundane in comparison to other GH/IGF-1 elevating compounds, but it would be a mistake to dismiss this fundamental element simply because of its nutritional status. In reality, zinc is one of the most well-studied and clinically validated GH/IGF-1 boosting substances in existence and plays a critical role in the functioning of the GH/IGF-1 axis. Responsible for regulating endocrine function at the most basic level, it is impossible to maximize the production and bioavailability of these hormones without optimal blood levels of this mineral present in the bloodstream.

Although many studies have documented zinc’s proficiency at increasing GH levels, of significantly greater importance is its ability to increase IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 levels, as it has a much bigger impact on these hormone than it does GH. In short, it increases IGF-1 levels beyond what would normally be possible with a given dose of GH. This disproportionate rise in IGF-1 is largely attributable to zinc’s role as an up-regulator of hepatic IGF-1 synthesis. In other words, zinc signals the liver convert a larger percentage of circulating growth hormone into IGF-1, thereby amplifying GH’s anabolic potential in muscle tissue. That sounds simple enough, but what about IGFBP-3? Although less well known than IGF-1, this carrier protein has a huge influence on the body’s ability to use IGF-1, as it positively affects both its bioavailability and stabilization in plasma by assisting in the transportation of IGF-1 to receptor sites and prolonging the molecule’s half-life in the body.

Interestingly, zinc has been demonstrated to produce this effect in both zinc-deficient and non-zinc deficient individuals. While those with zinc deficiency will generally experience the greatest benefit, its positive effects extend to both groups, with significant increases in IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 levels being noted across the board. Bodybuilders are particularly susceptible to zinc deficiency as a result of increased perspiration arising from physical activity—a major risk factor in the development of zinc deficiency. In fact, physically active people are among the most likely group to experience this, as evidenced by multiple clinical studies reporting an increased rate of hypozincemia in athletes. Lest you think that adherence to a bodybuilding diet disqualifies you from concern, allow me to share with you the following statistic. Balco Laboratories, which has been responsible for testing the trace mineral levels of more than 250,000 people (including numerous professional and Olympic athletes from virtually every sport), revealed that roughly 70% of ALL those tested had moderate to severe zinc deficiencies. Moreover, the majority of those tested were NOT athletes. Had statistics been compiled using athletes only, that number would surely have risen considerably. The take home message here is that if you engage in weight training or other forms of regular physical activity, it is likely that you are zinc deficient to at least some degree, regardless of diet.

Two other minerals of critical importance are magnesium and selenium, both of which have been shown to profoundly influence IGF-1 secretion, IGF-1 bioactivity and the trophic actions of IGF-1 on skeletal muscle. One way in which sub-optimal concentrations of these minerals might cause harm is through chronic low-grade inflammation, as the inflammatory cytokines produced during a state of deficiency send negative regulatory signals that reduce IGF-1 output, impair IGF-1 bioactivity (via reduced IGFBP-3 levels), and inhibit the actions of other anabolic hormones and growth factors. Selenium deficiency may also induce oxidative stress and promote cellular damage via a decreased concentration of selenoproteins (such as glutathione peroxidase), which has also been shown to hinder IGF-1 bioactivity. Similarly, zinc’s positive effect on IGF-1 levels may be partially attributable to its known antioxidant activity. For example, zinc and selenium may positively modulate IGF-1 release through the protection of endocrine cells; an effect achieved by limiting the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS), which in turn minimizes endocrine cell degeneration/death.

Although the connection between zinc, magnesium, selenium and IGF-1 is fairly well known, copper’s role in IGF-1 secretion and utilization is only rarely mentioned. Although the mechanisms through which copper works to stimulate IGF-1 production have not yet been fully elucidated, we do know that zinc is highly antagonistic to copper, impairing its absorption into the bloodstream. The data suggests that this antagonistic effect is due to zinc’s ability to trigger the synthesis of a copper-binding ligand (likely thionein) which isolates copper from the nutrient medium and makes absorption impossible. Although the effects of this antagonism are not immediately apparent, the end result is a copper deficiency resulting in decreased IGF-1 output.

In light of these findings, researchers believe that that inability of some individuals to respond satisfactorily to the IGF-1 elevating effects of growth hormone therapy is due to inadequate copper concentrations. So, if you use injectable GH and have noticed disproportionately low levels of IGF-1 relative to your GH dose, or you don’t seem to respond very well to the IGF-1 boosting effects of GH secretagogues, then this may be the underlying problem. In order to avoid this problem, copper should always be co-administered with zinc. Many experts consider a 15:1 ratio of zinc to copper to be ideal.
Note: Somatozine utilizes the most effective forms of zinc, magnesium, selenium, and copper available (zinc orotate, magnesium glycinate, selenomethionine, and copper glycinate. This is basically an upgraded version of ZMA with selenium and copper added)



More than Just a Sleep Aide

For those of you who are familiar with sleep aides, you’ve undoubtedly heard of a product called melatonin. Frequently used as a means of eliminating jet lag or simply to improve sleep quality, melatonin is actually a complex hormone involved in a multitude of functions throughout the body. Produced in the pineal gland, it is most often known for its role in regulating the sleep-wake cycle, but scientists have recently discovered many other bodybuilding benefits.

One of these is its role in regulating the production and bioavailability of growth hormone. In a fairly recent study, test subjects who were given a 5 mg dose of melatonin experienced a rise in GH levels ranging from 132-157%. One of the mechanisms through which melatonin positively modulates GH release, and which differentiates it from the other ingredients in Somatozine, is its ability to decrease somatostatin levels. As a negative regulator of growth hormone secretion, limiting somatostatin’s influence on somatotrophs (GH producing cells) is an important step in maximizing GH levels. Thankfully for us, a single dose of melatonin was shown to decrease levels of somatostatin by 76-164%. In addition to functioning as a somatostatin inhibitor, melatonin also appears to enhance GH production by increasing the responsiveness of the pituitary gland to growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH), as evidenced in a 1993 study from “Clinical Endocrinology”.

Melatonin also helps normalize circadian rhythms (i.e. sleep quality), which is in itself an important factor in maximizing GH release, not to mention the massive effect it has on determining our rate of cellular repair (i.e. muscle growth). As cool as this is, melatonin’s ability to improve sleep quality and boost GH levels only tells us part of the story. We must also consider the amount of GH that can actually be used by the body, as not all GH is biologically active. Melatonin provides assistance in this area by increasing the amount of “free” GH in the bloodstream, indicating a reduction in GHBP’s (growth hormone binding proteins). This was confirmed when researchers found that melatonin positively alters the body’s GH/GHBP-1 ratio (GHBP-1 works to inactivate circulating growth hormone).

Unfortunately, nearly 50% of all GH in circulation is bound to these proteins, essentially rendering it worthless by preventing receptor binding. Since only free GH is biologically active, even a small reduction in GHBPs will enhance its positive effects. In this sense, melatonin can be viewed as a type of GH supercharger, allowing us to get more bang for our buck from a given quantity of GH. As a side benefit, melatonin has also been shown to produce a moderate increase in IGFBP-3 levels (6-11%), while also decreasing cortisol levels. As the most catabolic hormone in the body, cortisol works through at least 4-5 different mechanisms to decrease protein synthesis and promote protein breakdown. With bodybuilders being notorious for having elevated cortisol levels, anything which helps bring them under control will have a positive impact on recovery, fat loss, and growth.

Finally, while studies often give us a pretty good idea of what to expect when using certain substances, they do not always line-up with real-world results. Therefore, whenever a study bypasses this potential issue by evaluating the end result instead of interpreting the effect that intermediary factors may have on the end result, we should pay attention. A recent study on melatonin did just that by specifically evaluating its effects on body composition, rather than its effects on our hormonal profile/function. At the conclusion of this study, melatonin was shown to produce significant gains in muscle mass and reductions in bodyfat (a few pounds each over a 12 month period) in non-trained individuals. This was big news in the scientific community, as it provided these results in the absence of a training stimulus or specialized nutrition. Keep in mind that very few compounds, outside of drugs specifically designed for muscle growth, are capable of producing these kinds of results in non-trained individuals. Basically, melatonin did this all by itself, without any outside influences contributing to the end result. Had this study been conducted in bodybuilders, it is reasonable to assume that the results would have been even more impressive.




Vitamin or Hormone?

Until recently, Vitamin D3 was viewed as just another vitamin, similar to Vitamin C, E, or B, but more recent research reveals that Vitamin D is far more than just a vitamin. In fact, Vitamin D is not really a vitamin at all, but a hormone involved in the regulation of numerous bodily systems, including both the endocrine and muscular systems. So wide-ranging are its actions that simply listing them all would require an article in itself. So, we will limit our discussion only to those which are relevant to the discussion at hand.

In short, Vitamin D is absolutely essential for maximizing IGF-1 levels and IGF-1 bioavailability. Given the abundance of literature in support of these functions, some researchers have even proposed that traditional growth hormone therapy is obsolete and should henceforth be combined with Vitamin D when attempting to normalize IGF-1 concentrations in IGF-1 deficient individuals. While Vitamin D directly increases IGF-1 levels, it also has a profound effect the body’s capacity to utilize the hormone by significantly boosting IGFBP-3 production. While researchers have yet to fully elucidate the mechanism through which these effects take place, it is hypothesized that Vitamin D is transported to the liver via portal circulation, where it is then sequentially converted to 25(OH)D (a prohormone to active Vitamin D). Afterward, it is converted to 1,25(OH)2D (the active metabolite of Vitamin D), which stimulates the synthesis of IGF1/IGFBP3 in a paracrine/autocrine fashion. Scientists have even identified a Vitamin D receptor in the promoter region for IGFBP-3, which is strongly associated with circulating IGFBP-3 levels.

Even if Vitamin D’s bodybuilding benefits ended there, there would be little to complain about, but this is really just the tip of the iceberg. So important is Vitamin D for physically active individuals that deficiency is now recognized as a limiting factor in athletic performance. But rather than spending too much time detailing every single benefit, I will simply rattle the most important ones off in short order: Vitamin D potentiates the stimulating effect of insulin and leucine on protein synthesis (i.e. it makes leucine and insulin work better), increases IGF-1 receptor density in muscle tissue, increases vitamin D3 receptor density in muscle tissue, increases insulin receptor density in muscle tissue, and even has a direct and substantial impact on muscular strength.

Widely regarded as a predictor of muscle weakness, inadequate circulating Vitamin D levels makes it nearly impossible for bodybuilders and strength athletes to optimally stimulate muscle hypertrophy/strength gains during training. This is due to the adverse effect that Vitamin D deficiency has on calcium related protein transcription, which directly impairs muscle contractile ability. Research has also shown that Vitamin D may promote increases in strength through non-genomic mechanisms, as it was recently discovered that the active form of Vitamin D has a strong affinity for the MARRS receptor (membrane-associated rapid response steroid binding protein). Regardless, it is a readily accepted fact that sub-optimal Vitamin D concentrations is detrimental to performance—on multiple levels.

Before moving on it is important to note that Vitamin D deficiency is considered a world-wide epidemic by health authorities and is not limited only to those nations with a limited food supply. To the contrary, developed nations are much more likely to suffer from this condition, as the body’s main source of Vitamin D is not the diet, but the sun. So, unless you are getting ample amounts of sunlight on a consistent basis (something very few people do in modernized countries), you are almost certainly in a state of deficiency, which makes you a prime candidate for Vitamin D supplementation.




Capsule or Liquid?

Although some may try to convince you otherwise, there are virtually zero benefits attached to liquid preparations, not to mention they exhibit a variety of negative characteristics that aren’t found in their encapsulated counterparts. You see, capsules are not only easier to take, but they allow for greater transportability, increased storage options, and they certainly taste a whole lot better.

Furthermore, with nearly all liquid versions being sold by peptide-research companies, none of these products are manufactured within GMP facilities, making the quality control process a matter of owner discretion. Even worse, certain aspects of this process are outside of the owners' control entirely, leaving the consumer at the mercy of chance. This is not an attempt to disparage these home-based companies, as I believe the majority do care about putting out a quality product (a truth reflected at least partially in the results of their customers), but simply a recognition of the facts. There is a distinct advantage to having products made within GMP facilities. From the enforcement of quality control measures, to the advanced equipment employed, supplement companies must constantly adhere to numerous rules and regulations if they wish to legally sell their products to the general public. When a product is manufactured clandestinely, there is no oversight or accountability outside of one’s own moral code. So, at the very least, having a product manufactured according to FDA guidelines should provide an extra measure of security for the buyer.




An Easy Choice

When I decided to bring Somatozine to the bodybuilding-fitness community my main goal was to provide the best possible growth hormone product at the best price. As a product bearing my name, I would not have accepted anything less. Fortunately, this goal was accomplished in full, as Somatozine not only works better than the competition, but its pricing has been set below that of other (inferior) MK-677 products. If you’re wondering why I am selling a product that costs more to make for less money, the reason is simple. I wanted to leave you, the customer, with zero reason to buy elsewhere. This approach is a win-win for all of us.

If you want to experience the muscle volumizing, fat burning, recovery enhancing effects of injectable growth hormone at a fraction of the cost, while avoiding the potential legal conundrums and pituitary shutdown that accompanies those drugs, then you will be more than pleased with Somatozine—the only once-per-day GH secretagogue clinically proven to provide results on par with injectable growth hormone. As the only enhanced version of MK-677 currently available, Somatozine reigns supreme as the most effective product in its class.


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I've ran mk677 for 6 months last year and am about to start another 6 month + run, I don't meet the criteria but would love the chance to try the somatozine! Can you link to where I can buy?
I tried to pm you, but you have too many private messages stored. Clear some space and I'll resend.

The website is: masupps.com
 
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I'll log the MK. I've experience with this compound.
 
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I've used both of these products and they work well. Still using the Somatozine.

Looking forward to his next product release!
 
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I've used both of these products and they work well. Still using the Somatozine.

Looking forward to his next product release!
Thank you for posting your experiences with these products. It is much appreciated.
 
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I'd log the vicaine or somatozine.

I've used quite a few other ibutamoren products however, the vicaine has my interest piqued.
 
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Hi Mike Arnold I know your not a regular member on here but good luck with your products, would love to see you putting your expertise to work over the forum with your advice and extensive knowledge. It would be a great addition from someone like you
 
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Hi Mike Arnold I know your not a regular member on here but good luck with your products, would love to see you putting your expertise to work over the forum with your advice and extensive knowledge. It would be great
Thank you. I am sure I will be putting up some non-sales related posts soon. I will probably be pretty busy the first week or two, but once the word gets out I will certainly start doing more regular posting. I do this on all the other boards I advertise on and it will be no different here. I was actually quite impressed with this board, which is why I decided to make it our first sponsored board outside of my home board.
 
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Are you not a rep anymore?
I'm confused about the rules. We don't sell MK but it's ok for an employee of a UGL that doesn't sell MK?

Still a rep. I don't see the reason behind the no rep rule unless they sell or once sold MK.

Maybe the OP can explain. If it's a big deal I'll pull my app.
 
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I'm confused about the rules. We don't sell MK but it's ok for an employee of a UGL that doesn't sell MK?

Still a rep. I don't see the reason behind the no rep rule unless they sell or once sold MK.

Maybe the OP can explain. If it's a big deal I'll pull my app.
Dunno bruh. I was considering applying as well till I saw that stipulation.
 
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Also, I'm not a rep or have been a rep for a company in 3-4 years.

Like I mentioned, I'd be willing to log either product.
 
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I'm confused about the rules. We don't sell MK but it's ok for an employee of a UGL that doesn't sell MK?

Still a rep. I don't see the reason behind the no rep rule unless they sell or once sold MK.

Maybe the OP can explain. If it's a big deal I'll pull my app.

It's because most supp companies don't take well to their reps providing positive reviews for other supplement companies, as it could cause them to lose sales to another supp company. Generally speaking, supp companies fight for sales among each other, with each one trying to convince people that their product is worth spending money on. On the other hand, UGL sales are not impacted to nearly the same degree, as they not only carry a completely different type of product, but few people who are looking to buy AAS will be disauded from their purchase because of a supp company. Steroids are steroids--nothing can replace them.
 
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It's pretty different here on AM. 99% of reps are honest with their feedback on supplements and provide great and detailed reviews. It's a big part of what makes this community special. You'll also see reps recommending "competitor" products all the time too
 
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Alex (CEO of Vein Nutrition) has no issues with my logging products but I will abide by your rule. I can see that being a potential issue with others and an exception.

Pulling my app.
 
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It's pretty different here on AM. 99% of reps are honest with their feedback on supplements and provide great and detailed reviews. It's a big part of what makes this community special. You'll also see reps recommending "competitor" products all the time too
OK. I didn't know that, but I did notice that you guys have a HUGE supplement section. It's pretty impressive.
 
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Alex (CEO of Vein Nutrition) has no issues with my logging products but I will abide by your rule. I can see that being a potential issue with others and an exception.

Pulling my app.
I'll still take your app into consideration, considering what you've said. The most important thing to me is that people are honest and have no agenda/bias. That's all I am really concerned with.
 
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Hey Mike. I'm interested in both products, but would probably prefer the Somatozine.
1. One year member+
2. Definitely over 1000 posts
3. I'd like to consider myself respectable, honest, and unbiased. Have done many logs and always do my best to provide my most straightforward feedback.
4. This might disqualify me but I am an ambassador for a local supp company, not a sponsor, only has a preworkout and amino product currently.
5. No issue with opioids and no past history of addiction issues.

Notes/Disclaimer: 16 weeks out from my first BB show, in a caloric surplus, using AAS.
I have used MK-677 for over 1 year straight in the past, from a few different companies, love the compound.
 
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I'll vouch for bam even though he hits all the criteria! Haha I really want to try the vicaine now I've finished reading the write up, I used to use mondafinil on a Monday if I'd been out DJing on the weekend for work! The stuff was a wonder drug! Also been using Kratom for over a year, would like to see how this compares but 75 bucks plus international shipping.... I'll stick to my UGL supps haha
 
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I'll vouch for bam even though he hits all the criteria! Haha I really want to try the vicaine now I've finished reading the write up, I used to use mondafinil on a Monday if I'd been out DJing on the weekend for work! The stuff was a wonder drug! Also been using Kratom for over a year, would like to see how this compares but 75 bucks plus international shipping.... I'll stick to my UGL supps haha
Thanks dude! Also I think he put out a discount code AM20 which would take $15 off the price, idk about the shipping though :/
 
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I just wanted to chime in. Very very interesting formulations and awesome write ups, very informative. I consider myself extremely in tune to all the supplements on the market but never even heard of a formulation like your vicc. It's so intriguing I really want to read the logs on this for information purposes, so whom ever logs this please @ me so I can follow along. I don't feel comfortable personally trying it out as I used to be seriously injured a while ago and used to take prescribed oxycodone 10 mg 8 times a day and took me 7 months to get off of them after I recovered but like I said I'm extremely interested in how this formulation works just out of a sincere curiosity.

The soma. Is something that I'd be interested in trying out. I've used mk several times from research companies and have had mixed results ranging from awesome to bunk. Tried it alone and with hup a, which promoted the best results personally.

I'm starting a thermogenic log starting on July 1 but again would be interested in running this at night just because it really piques my interest and think this product could really be a wonderful addition to ongoing supplementation.

In any case these are my thoughts and if chosen I'd provide personal feedback, honest of course, and follow any criteria you're looking to research. I don't see the thermo and the soma.. interfering with either log but I get it if it's an issue. The other log is not sponsored but Ive decided to log it and informed the owner of my intentions so def gonna hold true to that.

In any case thanks for taking the time to read this kinda long post
 
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as a older lifter[58] I am very interested in vicaine.

BUT I am currently logging a 1-andro product for 2 more weeks--if you could wait till then I would be very excited to log this for you-I am currently prescribed tramadol but they have little effect and I only use in extreme cases of pain.
 
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I'll vouch for bam even though he hits all the criteria! Haha I really want to try the vicaine now I've finished reading the write up, I used to use mondafinil on a Monday if I'd been out DJing on the weekend for work! The stuff was a wonder drug! Also been using Kratom for over a year, would like to see how this compares but 75 bucks plus international shipping.... I'll stick to my UGL supps haha
It $59 with a 20% discount code (AM20), but we can't do much about INTL. shipping.
 
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Mike Arnold

When will you pick the loggers?
 
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I'm a bit low on the post count but I'd absolutely love to do an extremely thorough and in depth log of Vicaine. As a scientist I can provide a scientifically sound comprehensive log including a wide analysis of all aspects. I have used Kratom before but would love the opportunity to try your product. Thank you for your consideration.
 
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Ok so quick FYI guys.

The full time loggers for Vicaine have been chosen and I'm sure Mike will post those up shortly.

I believe 1-2 more loggers have to be chosen for the Somatozine (MK677) So I am sure Mike will announce those as well.


What I can offer to tyga tyga and thebigt and Wildcat528. If you guys can PM me your Shipping Addresses, I can get you a sample pack of the Vicaine. You will not get a full bottle, but rather 10 capsules. In exchange, simply we would ask that you make a thread and review the product, literally just one thread in the MA Labs forum and give your feedback.

Will literally take 5 minutes of your time.

Please let me know if this works for you guys :) THANK YOU!!!
 
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Ok so quick FYI guys.

The full time loggers for Vicaine have been chosen and I'm sure Mike will post those up shortly.

I believe 1-2 more loggers have to be chosen for the Somatozine (MK677) So I am sure Mike will announce those as well.


What I can offer to tyga tyga and thebigt and Wildcat528. If you guys can PM me your Shipping Addresses, I can get you a sample pack of the Vicaine. You will not get a full bottle, but rather 10 capsules. In exchange, simply we would ask that you make a thread and review the product, literally just one thread in the MA Labs forum and give your feedback.

Will literally take 5 minutes of your time.

Please let me know if this works for you guys :) THANK YOU!!!
pm incoming...thanks!!!
 
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Ok so quick FYI guys.

The full time loggers for Vicaine have been chosen and I'm sure Mike will post those up shortly.

I believe 1-2 more loggers have to be chosen for the Somatozine (MK677) So I am sure Mike will announce those as well.


What I can offer to tyga tyga and thebigt and Wildcat528. If you guys can PM me your Shipping Addresses, I can get you a sample pack of the Vicaine. You will not get a full bottle, but rather 10 capsules. In exchange, simply we would ask that you make a thread and review the product, literally just one thread in the MA Labs forum and give your feedback.

Will literally take 5 minutes of your time.

Please let me know if this works for you guys :) THANK YOU!!!
pm sent...do you have a link to the MAforum?
 
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Ok so quick FYI guys.

The full time loggers for Vicaine have been chosen and I'm sure Mike will post those up shortly.

I believe 1-2 more loggers have to be chosen for the Somatozine (MK677) So I am sure Mike will announce those as well.


What I can offer to tyga tyga and thebigt and Wildcat528. If you guys can PM me your Shipping Addresses, I can get you a sample pack of the Vicaine. You will not get a full bottle, but rather 10 capsules. In exchange, simply we would ask that you make a thread and review the product, literally just one thread in the MA Labs forum and give your feedback.

Will literally take 5 minutes of your time.

Please let me know if this works for you guys :) THANK YOU!!!
Pm sent, thanks a bunch!
 
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This is THE Mike Arnold?!? Mike Arnold

If so, SUPER excited you're moving into the supplement field.

I'm an SNS rep but we have no MK-677 products. I've used it on two separate occasions in the past by 2 separate companies and got bad sides. I've also used pharma and generic gh. So I've kind of written it off.

If possible, I'd like to throw my hat in to log. I've been on here for over 10yrs. I've been on TRT for over a year now and would really like to tighten up and keep my size over the next 4-6 weeks to reset before another blast.
 
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Ok so quick FYI guys.

The full time loggers for Vicaine have been chosen and I'm sure Mike will post those up shortly.

I believe 1-2 more loggers have to be chosen for the Somatozine (MK677) So I am sure Mike will announce those as well.


What I can offer to tyga tyga and thebigt and Wildcat528. If you guys can PM me your Shipping Addresses, I can get you a sample pack of the Vicaine. You will not get a full bottle, but rather 10 capsules. In exchange, simply we would ask that you make a thread and review the product, literally just one thread in the MA Labs forum and give your feedback.

Will literally take 5 minutes of your time.

Please let me know if this works for you guys :) THANK YOU!!!
been doing some research on vicaine...this stuff looks legit as all get out, I can't wait to try it!!!
 
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This is THE Mike Arnold?!? Mike Arnold

If so, SUPER excited you're moving into the supplement field.

I'm an SNS rep but we have no MK-677 products. I've used it on two separate occasions in the past by 2 separate companies and got bad sides. I've also used pharma and generic gh. So I've kind of written it off.

If possible, I'd like to throw my hat in to log. I've been on here for over 10yrs. I've been on TRT for over a year now and would really like to tighten up and keep my size over the next 4-6 weeks to reset before another blast.
TRT and Somatozine, working well for me.
 
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Ok so quick FYI guys.

The full time loggers for Vicaine have been chosen and I'm sure Mike will post those up shortly.

I believe 1-2 more loggers have to be chosen for the Somatozine (MK677) So I am sure Mike will announce those as well.


What I can offer to tyga tyga and thebigt and Wildcat528. If you guys can PM me your Shipping Addresses, I can get you a sample pack of the Vicaine. You will not get a full bottle, but rather 10 capsules. In exchange, simply we would ask that you make a thread and review the product, literally just one thread in the MA Labs forum and give your feedback.

Will literally take 5 minutes of your time.

Please let me know if this works for you guys :) THANK YOU!!!

I can absolutely do that!
 
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Ok great, thank you guys for the PMs. I will log in, in the am and send over to Mike and these should ship asap.

Appreciated everyone :)

And Someone asked for the link to the store

www.masupps.com

Thanks everyone!
 
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Product Loggers Wanted...Are you Interested?




Hi, guys. As you can see, MA Labs has become a sponsor here at Anabolic Minds (this is the 1st board I chose for sponsorship outside of my home board) and for the first time in a long time I find myself sitting on the outside looking in. Until today I have spent the majority of my time posting on a fairly limited number of websites, during which time MA Labs grew rapidly. In addition to selling one-of-a-kind products, our initial success was due to us having already met the most important criteria for establishing a successful business--trust among the community members.

However, I am not so foolish as to think I can just walk in here and expect things to be the same way right off the bat. I am fully aware that I must earn your trust and what better way to start doing that than to have members of this community use our products.


We currently have two products available, with several more being released soon. For now, we are looking for several individuals to log both Vicaine and Somatozine.




Vicaine: Vicaine is an on opioid-stimulant complex. As the first and only product of its kind, Vicaine contains powerful compounds such a fluorinated modafinil (MA Labs is the first to bring fluorinated modafinil to the OTC market) and tianeptine, as well as a half-dozen other powerful compounds. This product is extremely potent and should not be used by those with a current or previous history of opioid addiction, as it includes a legal full-opioid agonist (tianeptine). Vicaine utilizes extremely large doses of tianeptine, making it comparable to roughly 10-20 mg of oxycodone/hydrocodone in terms of analgesic and euphoric potency. This is not my opinion, but the opinion of dozens of customers who have made this comparison publicly. Vicaine also provides a potent stimulant effect comparable to Adderall. There is much to learn about this product, so anyone who wants to log it MUST read the product description, which I will copy & paste below in its own post. It is important that potential loggers know exactly what this product is and what to expect PRIOR to using it.

Somatozine (MK-677 Enhanced): Somatozine is the most powerful growth hormone secretagogue in production today. At its core it is an MK-677 product, but rather than containing MK-677 alone, it also includes multiple other ingredients scientifically proven to further increase GH, IGF-1, and IGFBP-3 levels, as well as levels of free GH. Somatozine works through over a dozen scientifically validated pathways to not only increase the quantity of these hormones in the body, but to improve their half-lives and bioavailability. This makes it significantly superior to MK-677 alone...and it does so at a lower price than most solo MK-677 products. This makes it not only the most effective MK product on the market, but also the best value.





Selection Criteria for Loggers...

1.) Must be a member for at least one year, but may be willing to make an exception if the individual in question is vouched for by several long-term members.

2.) Must have at least 1,000 posts.

3.) Must be considered a repspectable, honest, and unbiased member of the community, with a prior history of providing honest and thorough feedback on other supplements/PEDs.

4.) Cannot work /rep for other supplement companies, peptide-research companies, and/or UGLs (working for a UGL is acceptable so long as the UGL the individual works/reps for does NOT sell MK-677).


5.) Some people do not like the feeling of opioids. If this is you, please do not ask to log Vicaine, as your review will be more likely to reflect your personal bias, thereby tainting your review/log. This doesn't help anyone, including the members here. Just as someone who doesn't like stimulants shouldn't log a DMAA product, neither should those who dislike opioids log Vicaine. It just makes sense. Thank you. On the contrary, those who do like the effects of opioids would be ideal loggers.



I am looking for 3 members each to log both Vicaine and Somatozine. Please respond in this thread if interested, along with any reason why you feel you should be selected.​



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1- yep been here a long time.

2- definitely have over 1000 post

3-i consider my self unbiased for sure. Love experimenting with new things. I try to give everyone a shot. I can link my recent log if you want. I consider myself reputable mmorso Brandinooooo SFreed bighulksmash Danes hairygrandpa(I could tag more but id rather not unless you want me to) will all more than like vouch for me.

4-i am not and never have been affiliated with any company and probably never will.

5- I am god damn stim junkie, I've tried almost everything besides finils. I like opioids but more mehh with them but this is different and mixes stims with it so I am down

Product choice is vicaine. Got anything else you want me to answer?
 
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@rtmilburn is a good candidate!

Personally, I'll skip on this. Mk-677 bloats me too much.
 
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Ok so quick FYI guys.

The full time loggers for Vicaine have been chosen and I'm sure Mike will post those up shortly.

I believe 1-2 more loggers have to be chosen for the Somatozine (MK677) So I am sure Mike will announce those as well.


What I can offer to tyga tyga and thebigt and Wildcat528. If you guys can PM me your Shipping Addresses, I can get you a sample pack of the Vicaine. You will not get a full bottle, but rather 10 capsules. In exchange, simply we would ask that you make a thread and review the product, literally just one thread in the MA Labs forum and give your feedback.

Will literally take 5 minutes of your time.

Please let me know if this works for you guys :) THANK YOU!!!
Ugh shoot I missed it!!!!! Any chance I could get a sample! I will log it still this is just something i want to buy but not without trying it first.
 
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1- yep been here a long time.

2- definitely have over 1000 post

3-i consider my self unbiased for sure. Love experimenting with new things. I try to give everyone a shot. I can link my recent log if you want. I consider myself reputable mmorso Brandinooooo SFreed bighulksmash Danes hairygrandpa(I could tag more but id rather not unless you want me to) will all more than like vouch for me.

4-i am not and never have been affiliated with any company and probably never will.

5- I am god damn stim junkie, I've tried almost everything besides finils. I like opioids but more mehh with them but this is different and mixes stims with it so I am down

Product choice is vicaine. Got anything else you want me to answer?
Yes this guy is very reputable he's been on here for a long time
 
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1- yep been here a long time.

2- definitely have over 1000 post

3-i consider my self unbiased for sure. Love experimenting with new things. I try to give everyone a shot. I can link my recent log if you want. I consider myself reputable mmorso Brandinooooo SFreed bighulksmash Danes hairygrandpa(I could tag more but id rather not unless you want me to) will all more than like vouch for me.

4-i am not and never have been affiliated with any company and probably never will.

5- I am god damn stim junkie, I've tried almost everything besides finils. I like opioids but more mehh with them but this is different and mixes stims with it so I am down

Product choice is vicaine. Got anything else you want me to answer?
Will gladly vouch for rtmilburn. Great dude.

Can't do any myself due to me currently reviewing something else.
 
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Ugh shoot I missed it!!!!! Any chance I could get a sample! I will log it still this is just something i want to buy but not without trying it first.
Were out of Vicaine loggers and samples for now. But I do think we need 1 more Somatozine Logger.

Are you interested?
 

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