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  1. Scivation Flexatril - A JDybya Joint (log)


    A HUGE Thank you @TheSolution, @1Fast400, and Scivation for the opportunity to log Flexatril!

    Background:
    From a relatively young age I've been rock climbing and long distance running. And have always trained hard for both and included lots of weight training. In hind sight, my diet was not ideal, and I likely sabotaged my tendons with too little healthy fats. While training reps of one-arm pull ups...the inevitable happened and I tore my bicep tendon at the elbow. Taking time off from climbing, I dedicated more time to lifting and long distance running, which led to...tendinitis in my knees. With lots of pt and rehab, I'm able to climb pretty well again but still have to constantly manage elbow tendinitis and finger joint/tendon pulley injuries. I currently spend more time rehabbing and pre-habbing joint issues than I am actually training and performing.

    What have I tried? Glucosamine and msm may be helping a little. Added collagen and gelatin supplements to support with the building blocks needed for the jiz-oints. Animal flex. Orange Triad. Bulk cissus. Fish Oil. Arnica for acute injuries.

    As I wait for my Flexatril to arrive, I'm getting ready for a climbing trip. I will continue to take my cissus, animal flex, and fish oil this weekend. Monday I will cease use of cissus and Animal flex to see what kind of pain shows up.

    Right now, I have some medial epicondylitis in my left arm, a strained a2 pulley tendon in my left pointer finger, a couple other achy fingers, left shoulder stiffness, some occasional neck and back aches, and a touch of tendinitis in my right knee.

    All is generally manageable, but the elbow and finger hold back from climbing and training as hard as I want.

    Stats: 34 years old, married with kids and stressful job, 170 pounds, about 10% bf.

    Diet: I've been cutting hard for about 10 weeks and will begin reverse dieting next week. Adding approximately 25g per day each week - going from 1950 cal average up to likely 2800 or so average. I carb and calorie cycle and backload carbs as well. Days are high healthy fat with the goal of reducing inflammation, nights are kicking ass in the gym and then eating lots of tators.

    My hope is to increase intensity and volume as I add in more calories back to maintenance. Hopefully my joints cooperate!

    Training is particularly tough on my elbows and fingers:

    1 month periodized endurance, strength, power (with maintenance elements interspersed). Longer power/performance phase, short but intense endurance phase. Strength phase focused on gaining pulling and grip strength, and keeping antagonists up to par as well.

    Monday Wednesday Saturday : rock climbing, about one to two hours, with technique drills, strength/power/endurance based climbs (phase dependent). Climbs could be as short as working single moves, or as long as 30 minute constant effort.

    That's followed by an hour of supplemental core work and antagonist muscle lifting, along with some heavy pull work for bi's, back, and hinging. Set, rep and rest scheme changes according to phase.

    Thursday and Sunday. High rep shoulder and elbow prehab work for about an hour...more if I have the time and energy. No rests, circuit style.

    Every morning I do some mobility work and self massage to try and keep things moving well.

    Also run with my dogs about every other morning or so, depending on weather. About 1/2 hour liss, maybe some hiit if the dogs cooperate.

    Current supp:
    C, b, d, magnesium, fish oil, slinmax with select meals, bcaa, pes high volume (switching to RagNOroc shortly),

    Coming off of norcodrene/shift from cut next week. Stopping Animal Flex and Cissus to better evaluate Flexatril's impact on my joint health, mobility, and pain.

    Flexatril looks like an incredibly unique joint health product and I'm really looking forward to seeing what it can offer!

    Sorry for the long intro...it's my first log! Thanks for looking!

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    Incredible intro man.
    For dosing do 3 caps 2x a day (to load) for the first week. Then drop to 3 caps a day (@1Fast400) correct me if wrong.

    Just post up some workouts, cardio activity, and let us know what you feel during your experience.
    Look forward to it.
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  3. Thanks again! Can't wait to start!

  4. In to follow this log while I log my experience with Flexatril as well.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bwdill View Post
    In to follow this log while I log my experience with Flexatril as well.
    Link it brother! I'll follow dat
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  6. Just got back from my climbing trip and can't wait to get my Flexatril!

    Fingers are stiff, elbows aching, and I did something new and narley to my left shoulder...still trying to figure out exactly what, so I can roll, strengthen and stretch it the right way...

    Really going to put Flexatril to the test here!

    Amazing climbing though, and at 34, strongest I've ever been...


  7. Good work man!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bwdill View Post
    Good work man!
    Thanks brother!



  9. Goodies!!!!

    Thank you Scivation!

    I've got a big late workout tonight, so I don't want to load up on something anti inflammatory right after, with my next meal (post workout).

    Will start dosing tomorrow with first meal.

  10. Subbed... interested in this cause I think we share similar problems. I have had injuries on both my thumbs which ache when I do pulling movements.. bad aches in my left wrist during certain movements, arm etc all from boxing. Pulling the trigger for Flexatril very soon, after I finish my bottle of GenoFlex which didn't help my arms/hands... but it helped my shins.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by ronnycjc View Post
    Subbed... interested in this cause I think we share similar problems. I have had injuries on both my thumbs which ache when I do pulling movements.. bad aches in my left wrist during certain movements, arm etc all from boxing. Pulling the trigger for Flexatril very soon, after I finish my bottle of GenoFlex which didn't help my arms/hands... but it helped my shins.
    Thanks man. Glad to hear geno helped you with something. Shin splints, or something else? Any idea what the ache is in the thumbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDybya View Post
    Thanks man. Glad to hear geno helped you with something. Shin splints, or something else? Any idea what the ache is in the thumbs?
    Hopefully you can convert another guy on the fence about Flexatril!
    Be honest and have fun!
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  13. First dose down with 10:00 breakfast (chicken, cauliflower, with homemade curry sauce of mct, lemon fish oil, kimchi, lots of turmeric and black pepper, and of course siracha)

    Pills are biggish, but totally manageable.

    Next loading dose will either be with a late lunch or early dinner.

    Status : left elbow has some pain, shoulder has slight pain and immobility, and fingers are stiff and sore.

    Do your magic Flexatril!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by JDybya View Post
    Thanks man. Glad to hear geno helped you with something. Shin splints, or something else? Any idea what the ache is in the thumbs?
    Severely sprained the radial collateral ligament a few times last year on my right thumb, thankfully no tear. Minor sprain on my left thumb, but it's not too as bad as my other thumb.

    Yeah, I had minor shin splints on the inner part of both my lower legs. It was my fault cause I was careless with my training and on one of the days I decided to run on a new pair of shoes that I wasn't comfortable with. I took a 3 week vacation after a boxing tournament, then I came back and trained with the same high intensity instead of starting it low then progressing to high intensity. So I did an excess amount of running and jump rope... which put a lot of pressure on my legs. Contrast therapy and ice baths did provide some temporarily relief only for a few days, and I used E-Pharm's Joint Force spray religiously for pain relief so I could continue training, but outside of training, I had a slight pain when I walked outside. When GenoFlex came out, it helped the problem in my legs but didn't do anything for my hands.

    Now that I don't have any problems with my shins anymore, even after running out of GenoFlex for over a month... I'm hoping that Flexatril can provide some relief for my hands and of course, your hands too. Thinking of grabbing 2 bottles sometime next month, probably do the loading phase as well...

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ronnycjc View Post
    Severely sprained the radial collateral ligament a few times last year on my right thumb, thankfully no tear. Minor sprain on my left thumb, but it's not too as bad as my other thumb.

    Yeah, I had minor shin splints on the inner part of both my lower legs. It was my fault cause I was careless with my training and on one of the days I decided to run on a new pair of shoes that I wasn't comfortable with. I took a 3 week vacation after a boxing tournament, then I came back and trained with the same high intensity instead of starting it low then progressing to high intensity. So I did an excess amount of running and jump rope... which put a lot of pressure on my legs. Contrast therapy and ice baths did provide some temporarily relief only for a few days, and I used E-Pharm's Joint Force spray religiously for pain relief so I could continue training, but outside of training, I had a slight pain when I walked outside. When GenoFlex came out, it helped the problem in my legs but didn't do anything for my hands.

    Now that I don't have any problems with my shins anymore, even after running out of GenoFlex for over a month... I'm hoping that Flexatril can provide some relief for my hands and of course, your hands too. Thinking of grabbing 2 bottles sometime next month, probably do the loading phase as well...
    Good luck brother!

    Yeah, hands and fingers are tricky. Being a climber, my fingers take quite a beating. Will keep you (and errbody else) updated on progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronnycjc View Post
    Severely sprained the radial collateral ligament a few times last year on my right thumb, thankfully no tear. Minor sprain on my left thumb, but it's not too as bad as my other thumb.

    Yeah, I had minor shin splints on the inner part of both my lower legs. It was my fault cause I was careless with my training and on one of the days I decided to run on a new pair of shoes that I wasn't comfortable with. I took a 3 week vacation after a boxing tournament, then I came back and trained with the same high intensity instead of starting it low then progressing to high intensity. So I did an excess amount of running and jump rope... which put a lot of pressure on my legs. Contrast therapy and ice baths did provide some temporarily relief only for a few days, and I used E-Pharm's Joint Force spray religiously for pain relief so I could continue training, but outside of training, I had a slight pain when I walked outside. When GenoFlex came out, it helped the problem in my legs but didn't do anything for my hands.

    Now that I don't have any problems with my shins anymore, even after running out of GenoFlex for over a month... I'm hoping that Flexatril can provide some relief for my hands and of course, your hands too. Thinking of grabbing 2 bottles sometime next month, probably do the loading phase as well...
    ALWAYS do the loading phase...
    From Mike "Knocking down the inflammatory response is key. From there, it can hopefully be maintained by minimal dosing. These are ingredients that are semi new or in the case of microlactin, not moved in big volume""
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    ALWAYS do the loading phase...
    From Mike "Knocking down the inflammatory response is key. From there, it can hopefully be maintained by minimal dosing. These are ingredients that are semi new or in the case of microlactin, not moved in big volume""
    It makes sense to load this product.

  18. Day two and either flexatril is kicking in, rehab/p.t. work is doin its thang, or placebo in full effect. Either way, I'm feeling relatively good.

    Wednesday night I over did it a little on my first day back from deload/off week. It was an endurance based climbing day, with circuits of pull-ups, arnold presses, squats, and leg lifts, followed by p.t. for elbows, rumble rolling, and stretching/yoga.

    I could feel a little pain in my right pointer finger, while climbing, but not as bad as it had been last month.

    Thursday, my left elbow was super achey.

    Loading dose of 3x Flexatril at 9:30 with breakfast, and again at 3pm with lunch.

    Between those, I did my usual 1:00 lunch break mobility and p.t. for shoulders, elbow, fingers:

    -Acupressure ring finger massage
    Shoulder/arm circles
    -No weight: front and side lat raises, wrist curls, reverse wrist curls, pronation and supination, hammer curls
    -Calisthenic reverse wrist curls
    -Foam ball squeezing
    -Eccentric finger extensors
    -Self myofiscal release and massage
    Stretch

    Then at 7:30 pm:
    Foam roll
    Shoulder prehab circuit:
    -prone lat raises 3x15, internal rotators 3x15, Y raises 3x15, external rotators, reverse fly 3x15, standing dumbbell curls 3x15

    Elbow Prehab and P.T. Circuits
    1. Reverse wrist curls with isometric holds 3x15/ standing single leg calf raises 3x to failure
    2. Sledge pronation 3x15 / eccentric wrist curls with isometric holds and full finger extension 3x15 / eccentric sledge supination with isometric holds

    Roll, massage, stretch/yoga

    Felt a lot better after this. But this morning, elbow still felt a little achey. More flexatril, another lunch time p.t. sesh, and feeling good.

    Left shoulder, elbow and pointer are still not up to par. But they are improving.

    I am a little concerned that everything has happened on my left side. I had some weird tingling in my left scapular region a couple months ago, and hope their isn't some weird pinched nerve thing at the root of my issues.

    Off night tonight, then endurance/base fitness session #2 bright and early Saturday before the kiddos get up!

    DO WORK!
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    Good to know you are seeing benefits in a short time span once you get a full week you will start really seeing it
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  20. Couple more days of loading dose, 3 pills, 2x per day....

    Yesterday, got up too early and had my second workout of Endurance/Fitness base block:

    Foam rolling, theraband mobility warmup.

    Climbing warmup - sustained low level (about 1200 bpm) climbing for 20 minutes.

    Climbing Intervals - 4 sets of Max effort @ 2:1, work:rest ratio

    HIIT Circuit: 3 rounds of prone body weight rows, Ring dips, dumbbell straight leg deads , leg raises
    -bicycle kicks, neck and back bridge finishers

    P.T. - 3 sets of reverse wrist curls and sledge pronations with isometric holds

    Foam Roll, Self Massage, Stretch/yoga

    Pushed it pretty hard on my rows, where I can usually feel it in my elbows....and really didn't feel as much discomfort as usual! Also noticed my finger didn't ache as much while climbing, either!

    Still some background pain, but it's def better than the last couple days.

    Hope this trend continues!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDybya View Post
    Couple more days of loading dose, 3 pills, 2x per day....

    Yesterday, got up too early and had my second workout of Endurance/Fitness base block:

    Foam rolling, theraband mobility warmup.

    Climbing warmup - sustained low level (about 1200 bpm) climbing for 20 minutes.

    Climbing Intervals - 4 sets of Max effort @ 2:1, work:rest ratio

    HIIT Circuit: 3 rounds of prone body weight rows, Ring dips, dumbbell straight leg deads , leg raises
    -bicycle kicks, neck and back bridge finishers

    P.T. - 3 sets of reverse wrist curls and sledge pronations with isometric holds

    Foam Roll, Self Massage, Stretch/yoga

    Pushed it pretty hard on my rows, where I can usually feel it in my elbows....and really didn't feel as much discomfort as usual! Also noticed my finger didn't ache as much while climbing, either!

    Still some background pain, but it's def better than the last couple days.

    Hope this trend continues!
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  22. This morning had another 6:00 am - recovery/prehab/p.t. Session
    Foam roll
    Shoulder prehab circuit:
    -prone lat raises 3x15, internal rotators 3x15, Y raises 3x15, external rotators, reverse fly 3x15, standing dumbbell hammer curls 3x15

    Elbow Prehab and P.T. Circuits
    1. Reverse wrist curls with isometric holds 3x15/ bent calf raises 3x to failure
    2. Sledge pronation 3x15 / eccentric wrist curls with isometric holds and full finger extension 3x15 / eccentric sledge supination with isometric holds

    Roll, massage, stretch/yoga

    Could feel a little elbow pain when trying to elicit a response during reverse wrist curls, but overall...

    ...definitely getting some noticeable improvement!

  23. Yesterday
    12pm, afternoon shoulder/elbow/finger: mobility/p.t.

    5:30 pm - second week of endurance/base fitness block. This is my one strength maintenance day of the week, so I was excited to push and pull on my joints a little:

    Theraband shoulder mobility warmup
    Hang board, mobility drills warmup

    Bouldering pyramid - climbed V0 up to about V5, then worked V6-7 with two to three moves at limit of strength and power. Total of 12 climbs. Work to rest ratio of 1:5

    Strength Circuit
    One arm push-ups 3x6, hanging leg raises 3x10, pistol squats 3x5,

    Finishers to failure: hanging side leg raises, neck to back bridge

    Elbow P.T.: concentric reverse wrist curls and sledge pronations with isometric holds.

    All in all, pretty amazing session, was able to pull harder than usual without pain and finish some climbs that had given me trouble a couple weeks back!

    Also noticed that when massaging my finger, pain has lessened to some degree.


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    Less pain is what I like to hear !
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