Angel dust v2 review/log! (the hype is REAL!!)

[ForceOfNature]

Hey guys. Here is my review of angel dust v2. Now I only have had it twice which is why I will be logging as well in case effects change.

Mixability: 10
No problem at all. No foam, mixes up fast and residue was so little that I could literally count the amount of particles left over which was very few.

Taste: 9
The flavour I had was blue sky. The taste was very light and smooth. I liked the taste at 10 ounces. It was real smooth.

Pumps: 9.5
The pumps are surprisingly amazing! My arms 2 hours later are still a bit pumped! The muscle swell is really good! Fast long lasting pumps, I never seen my arms so big!

Energy: 10
At first I was like damn I can't believe I wasted my money on this garbage but God was I wrong! The energy was so clean and tons of it! The best way I can describe it is is this way. Imagine the time where you were most angry in your life, then multiply that by 10 and imagine you could control all that rage and direct it. Now that is POWERFUL! It still feels like natural energy though.

Focus: 10
Tunnel vision, euphoria, clarity, confidence, need I say more? I walk into the gym, feel like nothing can stop me with no fear of anything. Now usually I like to to be aware of my surroundings, but with this I could care less. Just get out my way and let me light the weight room on fire. I don't care how loud my music is, who's looking at me or the time. The first time in forever I felt euphoria off a pre workout again. It's not over the top but it's there and you will notice it.

Overall: 9.8
The only reason is not a full 10 is because you might feel slightly nauseous after your workout if you don't get fresh air and it also takes a bit of time to fully kick in, you won't feel a whole lot for the first 30 mins then you will notice an urge to move a bit more then it fully kicks in after about an hour and just enjoy the ride! Trust me guys, it's worth it. You will NOT be disappointed. My favourite thing about this product is the "controlled rage" type feeling and determination it gives you, it's not a I'm gonna destroy everything! It's more like, anything I want to destroy, is going to be destroyed, no matter what it is or where it is I WILL WIN period. Now my tolerance is low at the moment so I will log if effects change. Hope you found this helpful!

 

[ForceOfNature]

I'm in no way affiliated with any company or brand. I'm simply sharing my experience.

 

[Afi140]

In case you're unaware (this is their acofeul) http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273770

 

[ForceOfNature]

Honestly it's an ingredient I rather not have in there but there are studies that indicate it's safe while others don't. Controversial but fda hasn't banned it yet so it can't be that bad considering what they banned in the past

 

[Adizzle1]

Studies showing its safe? it seems overwhelming evidence shows toxicity n cancerous potential.

 

[ForceOfNature]

Studies showing its safe? it seems overwhelming evidence shows toxicity n cancerous potential.

Yeah. Finding more studies claiming what you two are saying. I'm gonna go check it out with my doctor and do some more research. Thanks for making me aware of this.

 

[ForceOfNature]

Damn you guys got me worked up nothing. The studies were done on chewing the betle nut which is also chewed with some other compounds. Also acofeul is One compound extracted from the nut which has God knows how much more compounds in it and the dosages were also 20-50x higher than that in supplements that actually contain acofeul. Now I'm not gonna talk too much about because this thread is not about this topic. Bottom line is this pre workout is just as SAFE as any other and as with any other pre workout with stims there is risk. Most studies done are irrelevant to acofeul due to the administration, dosages and they focus on the whole nut not the isolated compound that is put in supps. Anyways if anyone wants me to go in depth on this, just tell me and I'll start a new topic on it. ANGEL DUST v2 is just as SAFE as any other stim pre workout your taking, there is no solid evidence that says otherwise yet.

 

[hvactech]

Damn you guys got me worked up nothing. The studies were done on chewing the betle nut which is also chewed with some other compounds. Also acofeul is One compound extracted from the nut which has God knows how much more compounds in it and the dosages were also 20-50x higher than that in supplements that actually contain acofeul. Now I'm not gonna talk too much about because this thread is not about this topic. Bottom line is this pre workout is just as SAFE as any other and as with any other pre workout with stims there is risk. Most studies done are irrelevant to acofeul due to the administration, dosages and they focus on the whole nut not the isolated compound that is put in supps. Anyways if anyone wants me to go in depth on this, just tell me and I'll start a new topic on it. ANGEL DUST v2 is just as SAFE as any other stim pre workout your taking, there is no solid evidence that says otherwise yet.

Exactly, which is why I directly stay out of the nutthugging debates that most get involved with.. Bottom line is I can pick ingredients from every bandwagon company and post studies how harmful it is to consume blah blah blah...

 

[Adizzle1]

Damn you guys got me worked up nothing. The studies were done on chewing the betle nut which is also chewed with some other compounds. Also acofeul is One compound extracted from the nut which has God knows how much more compounds in it and the dosages were also 20-50x higher than that in supplements that actually contain acofeul. Now I'm not gonna talk too much about because this thread is not about this topic. Bottom line is this pre workout is just as SAFE as any other and as with any other pre workout with stims there is risk. Most studies done are irrelevant to acofeul due to the administration, dosages and they focus on the whole nut not the isolated compound that is put in supps. Anyways if anyone wants me to go in depth on this, just tell me and I'll start a new topic on it. ANGEL DUST v2 is just as SAFE as any other stim pre workout your taking, there is no solid evidence that says otherwise yet.

No, there are studies done on pure Arecoline not just Betle Nut, the companies profiting from sellig this stuff time and time again try to convinve people that the negative studies were done on chewing betle nut however there are plenty of studies on pure aercoline

"Well, besides the aforementioned 1mg/day cancer study found at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6736104 , or the carcinogenic study at http://www.cancerletters.info/article/S0304-3835(99)00008-7/abstract , or the neurotoxic study at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2069125 , here's some other potentially "bad news" research on this molecule that we're looking into:

Arecoline-induced changes of poly-ADP-ribosylation of cellular proteins and its influence on chromatin organization.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10408909

Arecoline is cytotoxic for human endothelial cells
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24761785

Effects of arecoline on hepatic cytochrome P450 activity and oxidative stress.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25056785

Arecoline-induced growth arrest and p21WAF1 expression are dependent on p53 in rat hepatocytes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17997002

Effects of arecoline in relaxing human umbilical vessels and inhibiting endothelial cell growth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16238534

Characterization of arecoline-induced effects on cytotoxicity in normal human gingival fibroblasts by global gene expression profiling.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17682004

A metabolomic approach to the metabolism of the areca nut alkaloids arecoline and arecaidine in the mouse.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1482804/

Immunosuppression, hepatotoxicity and depression of antioxidant status by arecoline in albino mice.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16945459

Arecoline cytotoxicity on human oral mucosal fibroblasts related to cellular thiol and esterase activities.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10496377

In vitro effects of arecoline on sperm motility and cyclooxygenase-2 expression.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16538046

The hepatotoxicity and testicular toxicity induced by arecoline in mice and protective effects of vitamins C and e.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3994301/

Synergistic effects of nicotine on arecoline-induced cytotoxicity in human buccal mucosal fibroblasts.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11545236

The induction of prostaglandin E2 production, interleukin-6 production, cell cycle arrest, and cytotoxicity in primary oral keratinocytes and KB cancer cells by areca nut ingredients is differentially regulated by MEK/ERK activation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15375172 " - Mike from PricePlow

 

[ForceOfNature]

Practically all those studies are done on mice and you honestly can't believe that the human body would react the same way. Also like I said before the administration and doses are not the same. These studies are not accurate and another thing you have to take into account is bioavability and absorption. The amount that is in the pre workout is not enough to cause most of those side effects. Arcofuel has not been accurately tested and to assume and put up irrelevant studies is a waste of time and again the cancer is linked to CHEWING. The doses given to the mice are ridiculous in the studies and would be the equivalent to 250-400mg in humans. There is no evidence that suggests arecoline hydrobromide is unfit for human consumption. There is about 2-4mg or Arcofuel in pre workouts. No solid accurate evidence was presented. I will let you guys know of any side effects in my log. Other than that I stand by my statement that Angel dust v2 is as safe as any other stim based pre workout.

 

[Adizzle1]

Lol so much wrong with your post.

The cancer is not from chewing its from arecoline, look at first study, pure arecoline not betel nut, 1mg administered in mice cause cancer, not betel nut, pure arecoline. Also the HE'D is far less then 250-400mg, look up HE'D n do the conversion yourself

Lastly there is a reason we use the murine model before administered in humans

"Another reason rodents are used as models in medical testing is that their genetic, biological and behavior characteristics closely resemble those of humans, and many symptoms of human conditions can be replicated in mice and rats. "Rats and mice are mammals that share many processes with humans and are appropriate for use to answer many research questions," said Jenny Haliski, a representative for the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Office of Laboratory Animal Welfare."


Safe as any other stim? Lets see the toxicity studies on higenamine, hordenine, synephrine, 1,3DMA etc

 

[regdabyenoh]

Sorry but you do sound affiliated Force.

 

[Rob1882]

Posted on instagram by the "theguerillachemist" an organic & biochemist

Happy #moleculemonday! UPDATE: I have gotten so many questions about the safety and effectiveness for this molecule since it popped up in supplements a few months ago, and I've been trying to dig up any research on it. Arecoline is a nicotinic acid derivative found in betel nuts. In Asian cultures, this nut is often chewed for its stimulatory effect. Arecoline is a partial agonist of the muscarinic acetylcholine receptors, and is used to enhance cognitive function and slight stimulant effect(similar to that of nicotine).

Arecoline is making headlines for another reason, however: chewing on betel nut has been linked to mouth and throat cancer! Does that mean the arecoline extract is carcinogenic? The data I've seen doesn't suggest that at all. Right now, the only human studies I can find show arecoline's ability to slow down the progression of Alzheimer's and induce REM sleep. More research is needed, but there are 8 safety papers I personally read and assessed.

The clinical doses used in rats, 1-5mg/kg (16-68mg human dose) were all deemed safe. Also, chewing is different from ingestion. Chewing causes the formation of N-nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic. Also, many of users chew 14-23 betel quid a day!! Far from the 3mg you'll get in a supplement. This ingredient is found in dynamikmuscles, kaigreene new line, as well as dustV2 from blackstonelabs and I will finally get to try it out in 2 days when my samples arrive.

I have heard very good things though. Remember: there is a TON of incorrect and one sided information online. My sources are all from published journals and my education.

 

[Afi140]

Posted on instagram by the "theguerillachemist" an organic & biochemist

The blue haired guy with a lip ring?

His posts seem pretty basic/regurgitation and I know almost nothing about science.

I do see he has no vested interest though.......Despite all his prime, blackstone, and dynamik products he has been given. Also being at the new retail store opening of both PJ and singerman..... It's apparent he definitely has some bias and or interest. I actually like a decent amount of BSL and prime products too. However, the arecoline ones are a no go.

 

[ForceOfNature]

Lol so much wrong with your post.

The cancer is not from chewing its from arecoline, look at first study, pure arecoline not betel nut, 1mg administered in mice cause cancer, not betel nut, pure arecoline. Also the HE'D is far less then 250-400mg, look up HE'D n do the conversion yourself

Lastly there is a reason we use the murine model before administered in humans

"Another reason rodents are used as models in medical testing is that their genetic, biological and behavior characteristics closely resemble those of humans, and many symptoms of human conditions can be replicated in mice and rats. "Rats and mice are mammals that share many processes with humans and are appropriate for use to answer many research questions," said Jenny Haliski, a representative for the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Office of Laboratory Animal Welfare."


Safe as any other stim? Lets see the toxicity studies on higenamine, hordenine, synephrine, 1,3DMA

Like I said before I stand by my statement and I don't believe in those studies and the connection there trying to make. There's not enough solid evidence for its effects on HUMANS. I wanted to post some links but It's not allowing because I don't have a certain amount of posts. The rat model is not as accurate as you think. Unfortunately I can't post the links I had. Also I will say this for the third time, the doses, administration, absorption and reaction in the human body are all different. The mice might give an idea but there is no way the reaction would be completely the same.

 

[ForceOfNature]

Sorry but you do sound affiliated Force.

I am in no way affiliated with Any company or brand. I just really like BSL's product and am sharing MY experience with their product. Just because I believe in their product doesn't mean I'm affiliated.

 

[Rob1882]

The clownage in this thread is strong


Afi140 Strong words without a degree in chem/bio chem vs someone who does, and should I point out who you represent and what the company/store you rep for sells? or the words by the others who are all affiliated with other companies with their own bias?

 

[Afi140]

The clownage in this thread is strong


Afi140 Strong words without a degree in chem/bio chem vs someone who does, and should I point out who you represent and what the company/store you rep for sells? or the words by the others who are all affiliated with other companies with their own bias?

No. You should disclose that you're a prime rep on bb.com so everyone can be aware of your affiliation though.

and I'll repeat MY earlier sentiment about liking a decent amount of BSL and Prime products (including angel dust with dmaa and AMP); However, I will stand by the fact that arecoline isn't safe (never mind the fact it doesn't really do much) and I will not use any product containing it. No need to try and defend your company over here though as they're not a board sponsor.

 

[hvactech]

Sorry but you do sound affiliated Force.

Therefor ANY product or future product you positively review then openly debate for the better good of said product means you are also affiliated...

Smh

 

[hvactech]

Wait, Rob1882 is a prime rep? Meaning certified freakn bad azz!

 

[NewAgeMayan]

I think I agree with MrC's sentiments expressed elsewhere: is the reward worth the risk with this compound? Personally, there are 'risky' compounds I use because, when I weigh up the reward-risk, I consider the reward worth the risk. Is the ingredient in this product really that good? People will obviously make their own judgement as to that, (mis)informed or not.

Also, any perceived 'hypocrisy' in this thread is irrelevant red-herring rubbish.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Safe as any other stim? Lets see the toxicity studies on higenamine, hordenine, synephrine, 1,3DMA

I'm not going to get into this argument too much, but I'm fairly certain there's more human studies on these stimulants than there is for arecoline. Now, these aren't long-term toxicity studies, but I don't recall seeing any human studies demonstrating the safety of arecoline at all. I'm not saying that it's going to have detrimental effects on one's health at the doses contained in the pre-workout supplements, but the potential risk outweighs the reward for me, so I'm staying away from it.

DMAA:

These data indicate that 12 weeks of daily supplementation with caffeine and DMAA, alone or in combination, does not result in a statistically significant change in any of the measured outcome variables.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23424215

Synephrine:

The data indicate that based on current knowledge, the use of bitter orange extract and p-synephrine appears to be exceedingly safe with no serious adverse effects being directly attributable to these ingredients.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21480414

No significant changes in blood pressure, heart rate, electrocardiographic findings, serum chemistry or urinalysis were noted and no significant changes were observed in the results of the Profile of Mood States Questionnaire for fatigue or vigor.

p-Synephrine had no significant effect on heart rate, blood pressure, blood chemistries, or blood cell counts, and caused no cardiovascular abnormalities. This is the most detailed investigation on the safety of bitter orange/p-synephrine alone.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3444973/

Bitter orange extract and p-synephrine appear to be without adverse effects at a dose of up to 98mg daily for 60days based on the parameters measured.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354394

Higenamine:

Our data indicate that 8 weeks of daily higenamine supplementation, either alone or in conjunction with caffeine and yohimbe bark extract, does not result in a statistically significant change in any of the measured outcome variables.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25591969

 

[Afi140]

Wait, Rob1882 is a prime rep? Meaning certified freakn bad azz!

Rob is a good dude. We just don't see eye to eye on this one.

 

[Adizzle1]

LOL its obvious who are shills in this thread vs. scientific data, so Murine Model studies show cancerous effects and your rebuttal is, ' well it hasent been studied in humans', no sh*t sherlock, if its causing cancer in the murine model who in the hell in therer right mind would give it to humans and 'hope everything turns out in your favor'. Your arguments are weak and the further this goes on the worse arecoline looks lols