EPITOME by Evomuse, and Tyga

[tyga tyga]

First and foremost, thanks to Geoforce and dsade for picking me to log EPITOME. Currently I'm in a 200kcal deficit. Obvious goal is to lose some fat, keep strength and continue to compete in the 67.5kg PL class.

Starting stats (as of today, cheat meal hasn't washed off yet. My baseline is 148lb)
Weight - 150lb
Height- 5'5"

My "dieting" is IIFYM/Flexible dieting. Here's my current macros (for my deficit). Every Friday night I have a cheat meal + dessert as well. I always pop four EVOMUSE DEFUSE before this meal

Kcalories 2054
Cho- 245g
Pro-150g
Fat-52g

When my weight stalls, I'll drop my kcals 200 more.

Training is Mike T's Reactive Training Systems. For now, my cardio is supers setting my bb exercises lol I will add in my 16min tabata again to get the ball rolling as well.

I actually have taken two servings of EPITOME today. And, I have been running a little warm but I've also had a massive headache today. Hopefully that's just a fluke..

I'll keep the log updated with how I feel, core temperature, strength loss or gain, and measurements.

 

[ma70]

What BF % are you currently at? (I can't tell from the picture cause I'm not good at eyeing that kinda stuff)

 

[Driven2lift]

In!

 

[tyga tyga]

What BF % are you currently at? (I can't tell from the picture cause I'm not good at eyeing that kinda stuff)

I'll have to break my calipers out to get a better estimate but since my top four abs are showing I'm guessing 15% +/- 1

In!

Ayeeee

 

[NoAddedHmones]

I thought this product wasn't useful at your current BF %?

 

[Geoforce]

I thought this product wasn't useful at your current BF %?

It's really more geared towards people at opposite ends of the spectrum (higher than him or lower), but Tyga is very detailed and we wanted to have some feedback from someone at this type of bodyfat.

We aren't necessarily expecting him to have as good a results as people at lower BF's or higher BF's where Leptin comes into play more, but we think it is worth seeing what happens.

(Also IN!)

 

[NoAddedHmones]

It's really more geared towards people at opposite ends of the spectrum (higher than him or lower), but Tyga is very detailed and we wanted to have some feedback from someone at this type of bodyfat.

We aren't necessarily expecting him to have as good a results as people at lower BF's or higher BF's where Leptin comes into play more, but we think it is worth seeing what happens.

(Also IN!)

Nice, I will follow along for curiosity sake.

 

[abformulations]

Nice. I'm in buddy

 

[Afi140]

In. Been looking at running this.

 

[tyga tyga]

Here I just snapped this one. You all are more than welcome to take a guess what I'm at as well

 

[tyga tyga]

I thought this product wasn't useful at your current BF %?

It's really more geared towards people at opposite ends of the spectrum (higher than him or lower), but Tyga is very detailed and we wanted to have some feedback from someone at this type of bodyfat. We aren't necessarily expecting him to have as good a results as people at lower BF's or higher BF's where Leptin comes into play more, but we think it is worth seeing what happens. (Also IN!)

Nice. I'm in buddy

In. Been looking at running this.

Thanks for following gents

 

[Jackedjack]

in!!

 

[cubsfan815]

In.

I'm running this as well.

 

[alfeer]

In...

 

[tyga tyga]

Day II
Dosage
-1 cap at 815am - about an he and 15 after I ate breakfast
-1 cap at 4 o'clock pre workout (idk if I should or shouldn't dose this one here?)

Minor things I noticed:
- appetite suppression is very evident. That 815 dose destroyed my appetite. I'm usually hungry around 11 o'clock but I just kept on working. But I knew I didn't want to go to long without eating so I ate anyway around noon, even though I wasn't hungry.

Workout lasted 1.5hr and I didn't do any cardio but I did some massive drop sets/ super sets at the end of my workout.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Day II
Dosage
-1 cap at 815am - about an he and 15 after I ate breakfast
-1 cap at 4 o'clock pre workout (idk if I should or shouldn't dose this one here?)

Minor things I noticed:
- appetite suppression is very evident. That 815 dose destroyed my appetite. I'm usually hungry around 11 o'clock but I just kept on working. But I knew I didn't want to go to long without eating so I ate anyway around noon, even though I wasn't hungry.

Workout lasted 1.5hr and I didn't do any cardio but I did some massive drop sets/ super sets at the end of my workout.

Man, if the appetite suppression is that profound and pesists over time, my first world problems of outrageous appetite will be cured and year round shreddedness will be on the cards.

Keep the updates coming!

 

[bolt10]

In.

 

[blurryimage]

Nice job so far on the log. I'm 5 days in and my appetite is actually higher then it was before I started so it affects everyone different, I guess.

 

[tyga tyga]

Nice job so far on the log. I'm 5 days in and my appetite is actually higher then it was before I started so it affects everyone different, I guess.

are you running a log?

 

[cubsfan815]

I had to drive into downtown Chicago today for work , then when I got back I had to help brother in law move.

Long story short, i hardly ate all day. No appetite, went beast mode on moving furniture, body temp up.

Not to hijack your log lol.

 

[tyga tyga]

I had to drive into downtown Chicago today for work , then when I got back I had to help brother in law move. Long story short, i hardly ate all day. No appetite, went beast mode on moving furniture, body temp up. Not to hijack your log lol.

nah your good bro. No hijack just good convo.

Yeah, I really didn't even notice I wasn't hungry lol until it got close to noon and I was like, "dang I haven't ate yet?"

 

[Geoforce]

Increased body temp plus decreased appetites are the main effects we are seeing from the vast majority of our users across forums (blurry what's wrong with you man ).

Interested to see how the longer runs treat people.

 

[blurryimage]

are you running a log?

no, just adding my thoughts randomly.

 

[blurryimage]

Increased body temp plus decreased appetites are the main effects we are seeing from the vast majority of our users across forums (blurry what's wrong with you man ). Interested to see how the longer runs treat people.

Lol I'm a freak!

 

[Geoforce]

Lol I'm a freak!

I'm hoping the bottle treats you well even if you aren't seeing the appetite reduction others are!

 

[ma70]

Appetite suppression....nice. That's something I need when I'm dieting down. The cravings are insane for me.

 

[blurryimage]

I'm hoping the bottle treats you well even if you aren't seeing the appetite reduction others are!

I have no doubt that it will. I have 4 bottles so I'm in for the slow and steady win on this one ?

 

[Jackedjack]

Tyga I believe I saw dsade post that taking epitome pre workout will destroy or reduce post workout protein synthesis similar to his cardiotryx. Geoforce can you check in on this for tyga and everybody reading this log.

 

[ma70]

Tyga I believe I saw dsade post that taking epitome pre workout will destroy or reduce post workout protein synthesis similar to his cardiotryx. Geoforce can you check in on this for tyga and everybody reading this log.

Yeah probably because of the potent ampk activation. I asked him in a PM about dosage timings and he said it should be dosed away from workouts. I workout at ~5am and he said the 10am and 3pm dosings are perfect.

 

[tyga tyga]

Tyga I believe I saw dsade post that taking epitome pre workout will destroy or reduce post workout protein synthesis similar to his cardiotryx. Geoforce can you check in on this for tyga and everybody reading this log.

Yeah probably because of the potent ampk activation. I asked him in a PM about dosage timings and he said it should be dosed away from workouts. I workout at ~5am and he said the 10am and 3pm dosings are perfect.

Thanks Jackedjack and ma70 reps when I get to a computer.

Ok did dsade mention a post workout dose? (~1 or 2 after working out?)

Here's my dilemma;
Wake 6am
Breakfast 7am
-EPITOME @8-830am
Lunch 1130-noon (usually 1030ish but epitome is suppressing appetite)
Pre workout snack - 3:00pm
Workout- 430-630 pm (includes prehab/rehab work)
Post workout meal- 7pm
Post post workout meal- 8pm
Pre bed snack/meal - 930pm

What would be the most optimal time to take my second dose? Geoforce or dsade ?


I'll keep my 830am dose and take my next one at bed time?

 

[tyga tyga]

Maybe 8am and 2pm? Or 11am and pre bed?

 

[ma70]

How about 6AM/11AM? 6, 11, and 4:30 are about 5 hours apart each which sort of goes along with the recommendations he gave me. Not that I know the science behind it....but copying the dosage template seems to be a good start to things.

 

[tyga tyga]

How about 6AM/11AM? 6, 11, and 4:30 are about 5 hours apart each which sort of goes along with the recommendations he gave me. Not that I know the science behind it....but copying the dosage template seems to be a good start to things.

A 430 dose isn't feasible.. I start working out at 415-430 lol

I'm thinking 8 & 2pm are my best option, since it's a two cap a day product?

 

[ma70]

A 430 dose isn't feasible.. I start working out at 415-430 lol

I'm thinking 8 & 2pm are my best option, since it's a two cap a day product?

He has dosages split into two. The first dosage is 5 hours apart from the second dose, depending on when you workout, the dosages are 5 hours apart from the workout. When I said 4:30, that is your workout time. 3 different parts of the day where AMPK is activated (6 for first dose, 11 for second dose, and 4:30 is your workout). For me, it was 5AM (workout), then 10AM (first dose), then 3PM (second dose), all 5 hours apart.

EDIT: I haven't started dosing yet, but this was the plan he recommended to me through PM.

 

[tyga tyga]

He has dosages split into two. The first dosage is 5 hours apart from the second dose, depending on when you workout, the dosages are 5 hours apart from the workout. When I said 4:30, that is your workout time. 3 different parts of the day where AMPK is activated (6 for first dose, 11 for second dose, and 4:30 is your workout). For me, it was 5AM (workout), then 10AM (first dose), then 3PM (second dose), all 5 hours apart. EDIT: I haven't started dosing yet, but this was the plan he recommended to me through PM.

Gotcha, appreciate it!

 

[tyga tyga]

First dose of epitome still destroys my appetite, second dose not so much. Diet has been on point, nail my macros like a champ +/- 3-5g on either macro lol

No notice in body composition changes yet. Haven't been taking EPITOME but four days. Haven't ran warm or hot since the first day either, may have been a fluke?

Going to adjust my doses as well. Going to dose

615am & Noon

Will update the thread Sunday with a nood and weight.

 

[Geoforce]

First dose of epitome still destroys my appetite, second dose not so much. Diet has been on point, nail my macros like a champ +/- 3-5g on either macro lolView attachment 116243

No notice in body composition changes yet. Haven't been taking EPITOME but four days. Haven't ran warm or hot since the first day either, may have been a fluke?

Going to adjust my doses as well. Going to dose

615am & Noon

Will update the thread Sunday with a nood and weight.

Good observations.

 

[tyga tyga]

Day 6

Epitome doses
615am
215pm

First dose was about and hour before I ate. Started to get hungry around 11am. After my second dose I did notice I had a slight rise in core temperature again, but not after my first dose.

I did as LISS cardio in after my lifting session ~155 cals burned. Knocked me into a 300kcal deficit (without counting calories burned working out)

I'll update weight Sunday morning. I do expect anywhere between 1-2lb weight drop.

Question regarding defuse real quick.. I pop four pre cheat meal. Could I pop eight? Here's my reason, my cheat is rather large. Example;

Meal- sonic supersonic cheeseburger w/fries
Dessert- whole pint of ice cream, two donuts

 

[dsade]

Wow...now I feel like a pig. You didn't mention 3/4 of a stuffed crust pepperoni...

4 is plenty.

 

[tyga tyga]

Wow...now I feel like a pig. You didn't mention 3/4 of a stuffed crust pepperoni... 4 is plenty.

I mean, I've been known to knock out an entire pizza, pint of Ice cream, chips and donuts.

What would the threshold be with defuse and one meal then? 200g cho? 300g?

 

[dsade]

I mean, I've been known to knock out an entire pizza, pint of Ice cream, chips and donuts.

What would the threshold be with defuse and one meal then? 200g cho? 300g?

There are a lot of other factors: combination with Slintensity, proximity to workout either before or after, systemic fat "burner" use. Defuse keeps FFA circulating, but they still have to be burned somehow. Something like EC/COmbustion/DCP or another systemic fat burner will help..

Myself, I've done about a 350g carb meal with Defuse post workout and noticed zero fat gain.

 

[raekwonse]

What would be the best timing for a workout during lunch? Would a 8 am dose and then a 5 pm dose work? Just trying to take it away from my workout.

 

[dsade]

What would be the best timing for a workout during lunch? Would a 8 am dose and then a 5 pm dose work? Just trying to take it away from my workout.

That would be good timing.

 

[tyga tyga]

There are a lot of other factors: combination with Slintensity, proximity to workout either before or after, systemic fat "burner" use. Defuse keeps FFA circulating, but they still have to be burned somehow. Something like EC/COmbustion/DCP or another systemic fat burner will help.. Myself, I've done about a 350g carb meal with Defuse post workout and noticed zero fat gain.

Ok. Usually my cheats are post workout. Defuse, epitome and occasional Pyroxamine is the only thing I'm using besides my pre workout.

Another question, my doses are (just got it fine tuned)
615am
1115am
Workout-4pm-6pm

Is that dosing ideal? Also, with someone who is hovering around 14-15%bf +/- will there be a big difference in body composition? I'm assuming my leptin levels aren't crap, although I've began to hold more fat around my obliques and lower abdomen.

Thanks

 

[abformulations]

There are a lot of other factors: combination with Slintensity, proximity to workout either before or after, systemic fat "burner" use. Defuse keeps FFA circulating, but they still have to be burned somehow. Something like EC/COmbustion/DCP or another systemic fat burner will help.. Myself, I've done about a 350g carb meal with Defuse post workout and noticed zero fat gain.

So basically defuse is fine post workout and obviously no sense to dose slintisity with it.

What's the maximum dose one can take per day of Defuse? Say for example vaca we all eat like crazy all day which is basically what defuse is meant for.

Will say 3 caps for every meal and say 3 big meals in one day (9 caps total) with slintisity.

Sorry tyga lol

 

[Jackedjack]

Dsade should just make a FAQ thread so everybody can find the answers instead of asking them over and over, no offense to anybody asking questions as I'm curious to hear the answers as well.

 

[tyga tyga]

Day 8

EPITOME

doses
-730am
-430pm (haven't taken yet, obviously)

First dose I took before church. Usually just wake, shower and fast until church is out then come home and eat. Didn't notice the appetite suppression with the first dose this time

Weight is the same, but my waist on my pants have become more loose. I can fit a finger between my waist and hip bone (almost two actually)

Day one weight: 150lb
Day eight weight: 148lb (this is my baseline before & after my cheat)

Day 10 and forward my new kcal count is;

Calories oo1952
Cho-206g
Fat-52g
Pro- 165g

Knocks me another -100 in the whole. Also I've began adding my 16min LISS back in post work out

 

[GNO]

Late but in ... dropping my first dose tmrw for my <15% log

 

[tyga tyga]

Late but in ... dropping my first dose tmrw for my <15% log

dope. You logging?

 

[GNO]

dope. You logging?

yessir!