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    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    The second half of the cycle is usually where you'll see the bulk of your gains, since the effects are cumulative. If you are already impressed, 4 more weeks down the road you'll be even more pleased!
    Man I can't wait. I'm actually going to tune down my reps and work in the 5-6 range. Might as well take advantage of these strength gains.
    Also, I got my hands on some follidrone. Was thinking of bridging the two and starting it in the last 2 weeks of XF. I read folli helped with inflammation. Would this hinder the effects of XF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyLuke777 View Post
    Actually no...none at all.
    Very few users do, I'd say maybe 10% report slight joint pain or occasional headaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyLuke777 View Post
    Man I can't wait. I'm actually going to tune down my reps and work in the 5-6 range. Might as well take advantage of these strength gains.
    Also, I got my hands on some follidrone. Was thinking of bridging the two and starting it in the last 2 weeks of XF. I read folli helped with inflammation. Would this hinder the effects of XF?
    If concerned about them possibly counteracting one another, you can always dose them as far apart as possible in the day.
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    6 caps a day safe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    6 caps a day safe?
    Yes sir, we recommend 4-6 caps on workout days.
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    How about 8 caps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by murk01 View Post
    How about 8 caps?
    Yes, many have gone to 8 and that is fine. However, I recommend starting low to assess tolerance with any supplement. Additionally, you may find a point of diminished returns after 6 caps.
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    I've been taking 8 for a week now don't feel anything, 6 more weeks to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    I've been taking 8 for a week now don't feel anything, 6 more weeks to go.
    1 week is very early on, ArA needs to build up in your system. With the results being cumulative, rather than immediate, I fully suspect within about 10 days from now you'll feel things kicking in full throttle and seeing the changes in the mirror and on the scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    1 week is very early on, ArA needs to build up in your system. With the results being cumulative, rather than immediate, I fully suspect within about 10 days from now you'll feel things kicking in full throttle and seeing the changes in the mirror and on the scale.
    Yeah, way too early. And taking more caps isn't necessarily going to make you feel it faster. I like to equate it somewhat to creatine in this regard. The best results usually take about a week of normal dosage to build up and kick in.

    IMHO, longer cycles with lower dosages (ie, 2-4 caps per day) can have some interesting results too, if you have the discipline to maintain for the long haul. But to each their own, you know? It's not unheard of that some folks out there have gotten extraordinary results from high doses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pneumophant View Post
    Yeah, way too early. And taking more caps isn't necessarily going to make you feel it faster. I like to equate it somewhat to creatine in this regard. The best results usually take about a week of normal dosage to build up and kick in. IMHO, longer cycles with lower dosages (ie, 2-4 caps per day) can have some interesting results too, if you have the discipline to maintain for the long haul. But to each their own, you know? It's not unheard of that some folks out there have gotten extraordinary results from high doses.
    Creatine has done nothing for me ever. I'm taking 8 caps straight for 50 days. I don't want any excuses at the end if it doesn't work for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pneumophant View Post
    Yeah, way too early. And taking more caps isn't necessarily going to make you feel it faster. I like to equate it somewhat to creatine in this regard. The best results usually take about a week of normal dosage to build up and kick in.

    IMHO, longer cycles with lower dosages (ie, 2-4 caps per day) can have some interesting results too, if you have the discipline to maintain for the long haul. But to each their own, you know? It's not unheard of that some folks out there have gotten extraordinary results from high doses.
    I'm a huge fan of longer cycles with 2 caps/day, that's actually my personal favorite X-Factor dosing protocol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    Creatine has done nothing for me ever. I'm taking 8 caps straight for 50 days. I don't want any excuses at the end if it doesn't work for me.
    Remember, your diet and training will dictate your results.

    It breaks down like this in terms of importance:

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    Supplementation

    NO supplement in the world will make your gain muscle mass if you arent in a caloric surplus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    Creatine has done nothing for me ever. I'm taking 8 caps straight for 50 days. I don't want any excuses at the end if it doesn't work for me.
    That sucks. I love creatine.

    But the way X-Factor works is very different from creatine. I have no doubt you will notice very good results from X-Factor. How do you feel with 8 Caps? I personally would not be able to handle that heavy of a dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    Remember, your diet and training will dictate your results. It breaks down like this in terms of importance: Diet Training Supplementation NO supplement in the world will make your gain muscle mass if you arent in a caloric surplus.
    I'm good on diet/training. I'm trying to maintain lean out as I cut. I know what PH did for me when I've done that and I know what I could do without supplements. Want to see where this works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pneumophant View Post
    That sucks. I love creatine. But the way X-Factor works is very different from creatine. I have no doubt you will notice very good results from X-Factor. How do you feel with 8 Caps? I personally would not be able to handle that heavy of a dose.
    I feel nothing yet. No added vascularity pumps. Etc. it's only one week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    I feel nothing yet. No added vascularity pumps. Etc. it's only one week.
    Yeah, it's way early.

    What's your diet and exercise routine look like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pneumophant View Post
    Yeah, it's way early. What's your diet and exercise routine look like?
    2 weeks in nothing yet no DOMS or anything. I'm taking 8g
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    2 weeks in nothing yet no DOMS or anything. I'm taking 8g
    8 pills not grams!
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    8 pills is 2 grams. What is your diet and training like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    8 pills is 2 grams. What is your diet and training like?
    Train 5x5 style big lifts squat/bench/row/military press, etc. I usually have 3 big lifts a workout and add 2 accessory workouts. MWF. I do cardio 2-3x (stair stepper not hit and do not let heart beat go above 135) Winter usually around 195-205lbs. summer around 185-195lbs. I'm at 195 right now.

    I eat 6x per day. Majority of carbs come in the morning from oats.

    I know what my body can do naturally when slightly leaning out (I've been doing this summer cut many years now) so i have a base to compare to.

    I want it to work and hope it eventually kicks in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    Train 5x5 style big lifts squat/bench/row/military press, etc. I usually have 3 big lifts a workout and add 2 accessory workouts. MWF. I do cardio 2-3x (stair stepper not hit and do not let heart beat go above 135) Winter usually around 195-205lbs. summer around 185-195lbs. I'm at 195 right now.

    I eat 6x per day. Majority of carbs come in the morning from oats.

    I know what my body can do naturally when slightly leaning out (I've been doing this summer cut many years now) so i have a base to compare to.

    I want it to work and hope it eventually kicks in.
    Can we get an estimation of your macros and your sources of fat intake?

    One thing I've noticed is that in the rare circumstances where a user does experience side effects, those side effects can usually be mediated by increased energy output and/or the reduction of simple sugars and high glycemic carbs. There seems to be a relationship between the way in which sugars effect inflammation (sugar is thought to be one of the single most inflammatory things a person can consume) and increased ArA intake.
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    My two cents of the only folks Ive noticed who dont respond to it are consuming large doses of: fish, flax, olive oil, avocado... people REALLY big on unsaturated fat sources.

    Those limiting the above, and getting their fats from animal sources seem to always see the gains they desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    My two cents of the only folks Ive noticed who dont respond to it are consuming large doses of: fish, flax, olive oil, avocado... people REALLY big on unsaturated fat sources. Those limiting the above, and getting their fats from animal sources seem to always see the gains they desire.
    I've completely cut out glucosamine and fish oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    I've completely cut out glucosamine and fish oil.
    Good to hear, keep us posted on how you progress. Still very early on in your cycle.
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    I'm wondering if maybe 8 caps a day is too much. Having some nice neck pain turning head to right. Maybe some inflammation, would it be alright to get back on my joint vitamins and fish oil if the dosing is 12 hrs apart or so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    I'm wondering if maybe 8 caps a day is too much. Having some nice neck pain turning head to right. Maybe some inflammation, would it be alright to get back on my joint vitamins and fish oil if the dosing is 12 hrs apart or so?
    Absolutely.

    Dose wise, we recommend 4-6. Start with 4, 8 is certainly excessive.
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