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  1. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    Very very good explanation here^^^. Couldn't agree more. Totally depends on your goals. All the hype with IF is very misleading. As snags said I've yet to see or hear of any COMPETITIVE bb's or physique athletes use this. BUT to each their own I guess.
    Yeah snags always has a good way of explaining things. I've heard of a few fitness models and the like using IF but yeah not any professional Bbers. I'm only utilising the fasted training aspect currently but think I may give IF a shot for a month or so while in this competition with kleen and the others.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Yeah snags always has a good way of explaining things. I've heard of a few fitness models and the like using IF but yeah not any professional Bbers. I'm only utilising the fasted training aspect currently but think I may give IF a shot for a month or so while in this competition with kleen and the others.
    I'd be interested In your thoughts if you use it. I did it for 3ish months and hated it. Some like it obviously and I hope you have good experience with it bud :-). Hope you didn't take my last post as rude at all, I just have strong feelings against it is all.

    Back to the pumping. Wait what
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    I'd be interested In your thoughts if you use it. I did it for 3ish months and hated it. Some like it obviously and I hope you have good experience with it bud :-). Hope you didn't take my last post as rude at all, I just have strong feelings against it is all.

    Back to the pumping. Wait what
    I'm sure I'm not going to like it lol, I LOVE food and the thought I going 16hrs without doesn't really appeal to me. I didn't take it as rude at all bro. I've wanted to try it for awhile but due to working rostered days-nights-days off type thing it's actually impossible to stick to. Got a month off work so I can put in some serious dieting / workout consistency to kick this comp off.

  4. Day 10

    1 scoop stimul8
    4 creatona pre wo
    4 max pump pre wo

    I tried out a full scoop of stimul8 today and it was a bit much. I felt overstimmed for the first 20 mins or so. 3/4 is where I'll be staying I think until I develop more of a tolerance.

    I didn't get a chance to do my heavy compound day (squat dead bench) as wifey booked a few appointments so I had to squeeze in a quick workout before night shift.

    Pull day

    Wide grip chins
    Bw x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10

    Hammer strength Lat pulldowns
    175 x 8 x 8 x 8

    Single arm rows
    125 x 7
    110 x 9 x 8

    T bar rows
    225 x 8 x 8
    250 x 6 PR incidental pr here the gym has splashed out and brought some new plates same size and color as 45s but their 55s and I didn't realize until I unloaded them.

    Hammer ground station shrugs
    Did 5 sets working up to 455 for 8.

    Reverse delt cable flyes
    25 x 12 x 12 x 12

    Hammer strength preacher curls
    90 x 8
    80 x 9
    65 x 10

    Wide grip Bb curls ( first time trying these an I don't like them at all. Grip the bars almost out by the collar to target the inner bicep head.)
    65 x 8 x 8 x 8

    Cable rope curls
    No weights in this machine but 3 x 10

    Decent enough workout I was all done in under an hour, strength was down a bit at the start due to the overstimmed situation but it wasn't overly bad.
    Had the huge thermo thing happening as per usual, was drenched when I was done. I noticed some sick vascularity going on when I was doing curls, all up my forearms and into my biceps!
    Diet was good 2810 calories.

  5. Nice work Luke.

    I agree with you on the full scoop. It's just a little much for me too.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I'm sure I'm not going to like it lol, I LOVE food and the thought I going 16hrs without doesn't really appeal to me. I didn't take it as rude at all bro. I've wanted to try it for awhile but due to working rostered days-nights-days off type thing it's actually impossible to stick to. Got a month off work so I can put in some serious dieting / workout consistency to kick this comp off.
    then why do it?
    there is nothing magical about it...ppl seem to love it because they "don't have time" to eat more meals daily, and they feel it is more conducive to their "lifestyle"
    if your schedule is not conducive to IF, I surely wouldn't TRY to make it work, no way
    and no matter what anyone thinks, I will stand adamantly on how ridiculous I think the whole premise is

  7. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    then why do it?
    there is nothing magical about it...ppl seem to love it because they "don't have time" to eat more meals daily, and they feel it is more conducive to their "lifestyle"
    if your schedule is not conducive to IF, I surely wouldn't TRY to make it work, no way
    and no matter what anyone thinks, I will stand adamantly on how ridiculous I think the whole premise is
    Well there's always been a huge deal of hype around the whole IF thing and I want to give it a go for just that reason. My normal schedule doesn't allow to try these types of thing so now that I have some time off I see it as an opportunity to try something new. Plus after my holiday you and I will carry on where we left off and I'm looking forward to that.

  8. Personal experience.

    I did IF for about six months. Lost a lot of fat. Lost a lot of muscle. Quick fix IMO. Steady progress in either direction be it gaining size or losing fat will, in the long run, be much more beneficial.
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  9. Different strokes for different folks gentlemen, nothing magical about IF and nothing magical about 6 meals a day either. I went from 204 to 209 in these pics using IF 200mg of Test E per week and 30-45mg of Epivar a day and Ipamoralen at 100mg 3 times per day. Not a crazy stack and definitely not anything stronger than what most of the guys in here run on the 5-6 meals a day and easily as good results. There is 5 lbs scale weight and obviously a good bit of fat loss so LBM gains were much higher than 5 lbs.

    Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Not just one way is right. All you have to do it get your calories and macros in and IF or 6 meals works. Now if you need 6000-10000 and are running enough gear and HGH to justify what the pros eat then maybe you don't want to do IF. If you have a very fast metabolism you may not want to do IF, but a blanket statement saying it doesn't work is just showing prejudice toward such a different eating strategy in the face of proof that it works. It is just not for some people and that is okay too.

    Considering I did this in 8 weeks on IF and during my prep before I got injured earlier this year I was on more stuff and I didn't make any better progress at 5-6 meals a day it simply goes to show neither is any better than the other simply different ways to get there. One more more enjoyable food choices. I would say the only drawback to IF is it can become easy to relax a bit on, and sometimes more structure is required to real me back in.





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  10. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Different strokes for different folks gentlemen, nothing magical about IF and nothing magical about 6 meals a day either. I went from 204 to 209 in these pics using IF 200mg of Test E per week and 30-45mg of Epivar a day and Ipamoralen at 100mg 3 times per day. Not a crazy stack and definitely not anything stronger than what most of the guys in here run on the 5-6 meals a day and easily as good results. There is 5 lbs scale weight and obviously a good bit of fat loss so LBM gains were much higher than 5 lbs. Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Not just one way is right. All you have to do it get your calories and macros in and IF or 6 meals works. Now if you need 6000-10000 and are running enough gear and HGH to justify what the pros eat then maybe you don't want to do IF. If you have a very fast metabolism you may not want to do IF, but a blanket statement saying it doesn't work is just showing prejudice toward such a different eating strategy in the face of proof that it works. It is just not for some people and that is okay too. Considering I did this in 8 weeks on IF and during my prep before I got injured earlier this year I was on more stuff and I didn't make any better progress at 5-6 meals a day it simply goes to show neither is any better than the other simply different ways to get there. One more more enjoyable food choices. I would say the only drawback to IF is it can become easy to relax a bit on, and sometimes more structure is required to real me back in.
    Well said Chris you are so much better at getting a point across than I am lol.

    I am simply not a fan because, like you say ^^^ for me it was way too easy to relax on, I had horrid GI issues with 2-3 big meals and I felt horrible In the fasted state.

    I most definitely agree that there's more than one way to skin a cat. Look at IIFYM, it is hated amongst most guys and coaches yet there's people who make it work for themselves and their clients. Some people eat clean 100% of the time and it works, this for most isn't all that easy to do.

    Id venture to say that if I could prepare even 4 of my 6-7 meals a day fresh it would be ten times easier to stick to a plan 100% of the time. The fact that I eat 5-6 out of my 6-7 meals a day cold dry and generally chicken gets ****ing old.

    My main complaint about IF is all the hype that comes along with it, that it's magical and the best way to get lean fast. That's complete BS. Just like saying 6/7 meals are better than 3-4. Whatever works for YOU is what you should do period! Experimenting with different things is what we all with our training so why is shouldn't we do it with our nutrition.

    I lived the "clean" eating for 21 weeks to get to the best shape I've ever been, being so restricted for so long caused me to binge for 48 hours and guess what, I lost that physique I worked so hard for in those 48 hours. No lie. So to me what the hell is the point. Somewhere in the middle is where I'm at.

    Lol rant over sorry luke.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Different strokes for different folks gentlemen, nothing magical about IF and nothing magical about 6 meals a day either. I went from 204 to 209 in these pics using IF 200mg of Test E per week and 30-45mg of Epivar a day and Ipamoralen at 100mg 3 times per day. Not a crazy stack and definitely not anything stronger than what most of the guys in here run on the 5-6 meals a day and easily as good results. There is 5 lbs scale weight and obviously a good bit of fat loss so LBM gains were much higher than 5 lbs.

    Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Not just one way is right. All you have to do it get your calories and macros in and IF or 6 meals works. Now if you need 6000-10000 and are running enough gear and HGH to justify what the pros eat then maybe you don't want to do IF. If you have a very fast metabolism you may not want to do IF, but a blanket statement saying it doesn't work is just showing prejudice toward such a different eating strategy in the face of proof that it works. It is just not for some people and that is okay too.

    Considering I did this in 8 weeks on IF and during my prep before I got injured earlier this year I was on more stuff and I didn't make any better progress at 5-6 meals a day it simply goes to show neither is any better than the other simply different ways to get there. One more more enjoyable food choices. I would say the only drawback to IF is it can become easy to relax a bit on, and sometimes more structure is required to real me back in.
    I love the way you put things Chris and very much on point IMO as per usual

    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    Well said Chris you are so much better at getting a point across than I am lol.

    I am simply not a fan because, like you say ^^^ for me it was way too easy to relax on, I had horrid GI issues with 2-3 big meals and I felt horrible In the fasted state.

    I most definitely agree that there's more than one way to skin a cat. Look at IIFYM, it is hated amongst most guys and coaches yet there's people who make it work for themselves and their clients. Some people eat clean 100% of the time and it works, this for most isn't all that easy to do.

    Id venture to say that if I could prepare even 4 of my 6-7 meals a day fresh it would be ten times easier to stick to a plan 100% of the time. The fact that I eat 5-6 out of my 6-7 meals a day cold dry and generally chicken gets ****ing old.

    My main complaint about IF is all the hype that comes along with it, that it's magical and the best way to get lean fast. That's complete BS. Just like saying 6/7 meals are better than 3-4. Whatever works for YOU is what you should do period! Experimenting with different things is what we all with our training so why is shouldn't we do it with our nutrition.

    I lived the "clean" eating for 21 weeks to get to the best shape I've ever been, being so restricted for so long caused me to binge for 48 hours and guess what, I lost that physique I worked so hard for in those 48 hours. No lie. So to me what the hell is the point. Somewhere in the middle is where I'm at.

    Lol rant over sorry luke.
    Haha all good bro I'm known to rant quite frequently :P
    The hype is the very reason I'm looking to try it, I was to see how IF works for me as an individual and then I can make up my own mind about it, I'm positive that its OVER hyped to an extreme but until I try if for myself ill never actually know.

  12. lqtm

    there seems to be this misunderstood, errant assumption that those who do not care for the IF philosophy, automatically are of the "6 meals a day is better" school of thought



    has nothing to do with it
    but it is quite apparent that some ppl (read: you luke!) think there IS something magical about the protocol -- it is in the way you refer to it, the way you write about it, the way you say "you will never know if you don't try it"

    hey - whatever floats your boat
    this is an internet message board....I'm not trying to get into arguments on here about what the best way to construct a diet is LOL
    you do what you want..tell me how it works out for you

  13. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    lqtm

    there seems to be this misunderstood, errant assumption that those who do not care for the IF philosophy, automatically are of the "6 meals a day is better" school of thought



    has nothing to do with it
    but it is quite apparent that some ppl (read: you luke!) think there IS something magical about the protocol -- it is in the way you refer to it, the way you write about it, the way you say "you will never know if you don't try it"

    hey - whatever floats your boat
    this is an internet message board....I'm not trying to get into arguments on here about what the best way to construct a diet is LOL
    you do what you want..tell me how it works out for you
    Hey snags don't get me wrong here I know there is absolutely nothing magical about IF or any other method of dieting. Structure and consistency is what gets results with any diet. I have always found it interesting and have wanted to give it a try but due to my hectic irregular work schedule I've never had the opportunity. Since I have a month off I saw it as a chance to give it a shot.

  14. Doddamn mobile app I just posted three days and it never showed up.....

  15. Day 11

    3/4 scoop cstimul8
    4 creatona pre wo
    4 max pump pre wo

    Really dragging ass today, didn't sleep well after night shift at all. Stimul8 helped a lot, without it I provably would've skipped on the gym. Hit some shoulders and triceps

    Smith shoulder press
    90x 12
    135 x 12
    155 x 12
    165 x 9
    175 x 6
    155 x 7
    135 x 7

    Side lateral raises
    30s x 10 x 10 x 10

    Hammer strength side laterals
    25 x 10 x 10 x 10
    Superset
    Plate front raises
    45 x 10 x 10 x 10

    Barbell shoulder burnouts
    65 x 29 x 21 x 14 minimal rest periods here

    Close gri bench
    135 x 12 x12 x 12

    Seated overhead db estensions
    90 x 7
    75 x 12 x 12

    Cable rope overhead extensions
    50 3 x failure

    Stimul8 really shone through here, really gave me th drive to push forward even though I was feeling like shít. My whole upper body was pumped up and I had veins going all over the place from my shoulders down into my chest and biceps.
    Diet was decent everything mirrored yesterday's,

  16. Day 12

    4ax pump before bed
    4 creatona before bed

    Not much happening today, had to drive 12hours with the wife and dogs to go away for our holiday. Pre prepared some hard boiled eggs, some pre made whey and oatmeal shakes, natty pb, rice cakes etc etc. back into it tomorrow.

  17. Day13


    3/4 scoop stimul8
    4 creatona
    4 max pump

    First night at wife's mums house last night, I was so beat when I got in a had a bite to eat then crashed. Woke up feeling one what refreshed but locked up with sinus issues, the result of having her 3 dogs and 4 cats inside for the last ten years... Anyways I went own and hit some legs, I had to forego squats this session as my hip flexor was giving me a few issues

    Leg press
    3pps x 15
    5pps x 12
    7pps x 10
    9pps x 8
    10pps x8
    9pps x 8

    Cable hack squat
    365 x 15 x15 x 15

    Barbel walking lunges
    75 x 12 x 12 x 12

    Stiff legged deads
    225 x 8 x 8 x 8

    Leg curls
    110 x 10 x 10 x 10
    Superset
    Leg extension
    135 x 12 x 12 x 12
    Superset
    Seated calve raises
    90 x 18 x 16 x 13

    Pretty decent workout overall, i had a schweet pump going on in my quads and hammies. I was having a slight issue walking..... I'm absolutely loving Stimul8, I. Think I've found my new favourite.
    I saw this chick today, decent enough in the face but damn fine body, and what impressed me the most about said chick, she ATG squatted 285 for 7 on her final set. I have ever seen a girl squat like that before. She would've been 110 max.

  18. Nice shoulder and leg presses there, Luke.

    I've never seen that either. There are a few girls at my gym with great form, and two that do front squats too which is impressive, but never seen a girls go over 185 there.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Nice shoulder and leg presses there, Luke. There are a few girls at my gym with great behinds, and two that do front squats are impressive and fun to watch.
    Fixed! Nice job Luke. RJ, smhs
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I'm absolutely loving Stimul8, I. Think I've found my new favourite.


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  21. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Fixed! Nice job Luke. RJ, smhs
    Ha!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Join the crowd!
    ^^^ this! By far my favorite pre.
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  23. I need me a jug of that! I have plenty Creatrona and MAX PUMP I need some Stimul8 to finish the stack!
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  24. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I need me a jug of that! I have plenty Creatrona and MAX PUMP I need some Stimul8 to finish the stack!
    Oh speaking of that. How did you like it the other day?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Oh speaking of that. How did you like it the other day?
    TMI!!
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