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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Thanks man I'm slowly crawling my way back up to where I was a while back, still a ways to go!

    Hey hey ease up on the Aussie stuff bro, always a kiwi at heart! By the way where the hell have you been? Haven't seen you around in aaaages!
    Keepin on the dl. Busy with work.
    On here to check out questions and pm's for my company.

    Hope you are well
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  2. Day 7

    4 creatona pre wo
    4 max pump pre wo
    3/4 scoop stimul8

    Bumped up the stimul8 to 3/4 scoop, as per usual I sweated my ass off prior to even getting to the gym. Hit up a bit of chest today

    Chest

    Flat bench
    135 x 15
    175 x 12
    225 x 10
    265 x 6
    245 x 8
    225 x 10

    Incline db press
    90s x 8 x 8 x 8 felt a loud crack in my elbow here on my last set and it started to ache

    Decline bench
    135 x 15 x 15 x 15

    High cable flyes
    30 per side x 12 x 10 x 10

    Low cable flyes
    20 per side x 12 x 10 x 9

    Weighted chins
    Bw + 45 x 11
    Bw + 65 x 7
    Bw + 55 x 8

    Rack pulls
    225 x 8
    315 x 8
    405 x 5
    495 x 2

    I trained fasted this morning and this amplified the effects of stimul8 hugely, I mixed it in with some extend pre wo and was good to go. Had an awesome clean energy and honestly felt like I lost 5lb from sweat lol. 3/4 scoop is definitely getting close to my sweet spot.
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  3. Forgot to mention diet was good 2776 cals 243g protein 205g carbs 103g fats

  4. Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post

    Keepin on the dl. Busy with work.
    On here to check out questions and pm's for my company.

    Hope you are well
    Well it's good to see you around! Yeah the wife and I are good just cruising along lifting heavy things, you know how it is
    Hope you guys are doing ok.

  5. Nice work Luke! That's a lot of volume for fasted training.

    Speaking of fasted training with Stimul8....so everyone knows it is on fact suited perfectly for this. The IRISINXD is the key here to preserving muscle while burning up those fat stores.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Nice work Luke! That's a lot of volume for fasted training.

    Speaking of fasted training with Stimul8....so everyone knows it is on fact suited perfectly for this. The IRISINXD is the key here to preserving muscle while burning up those fat stores.
    I'm gonna have to give this a try. I prefer working out fasted, but was told by a billion bro-scientists that I must at least have a protein shake pre.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post

    I'm gonna have to give this a try. I prefer working out fasted, but was told by a billion bro-scientists that I must at least have a protein shake pre.
    Bcaa's at least as per my bro science PhD

    I don't like fasted training at all. But for those who do I suggest BCAA+SAA.

    The intention of fasted training is of course to burn fat. The small amount of calories you need to burn to eliminate the BCAA's is much less a concern IMO then possibly burning some muscle as fuel.

    Call it bro science if you wish, but I call it better safe then sorry
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  8. definitely a fan of BCAA+SAA pre and intraWO if training in fasted state

    the concept of fasted training is a debatable one, you will get many different opinions on this
    I liken the generic idea of fasted training to the similar generic concept of IF eating pattern: for fat-loss, if you are not a bb'er and just a fat-ass trying to lose weight or control eating patterns, well then okay..if your goals are different than just average joe-schmoe and you want to actually build muscle and shape your body differently, then no sorry do not go that route, both ideas are seriously flawed and detrimental to such

    while IF will never be suitable for bb'ers (seriously - can you picture Arnold or Ronnie coleman practicing IF?), fasted training can certainly be suitable if enough care is given to proper fuel via BCAA ingestion (mainly to protect precious muscle stores), and also care is given to follow this format with proper nutrition afterwards
    it is not a protocol I would necessarily advise for the long-term, but surely this can be utilized in isolated periods for brief durations, to accomplish increased fat-loss

  9. I used to train fasted every morning. Not because I wished to, but because of the time I would train. Now I have a MM shake about an hour prior because I don't like the feeling of starving.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Nice work Luke! That's a lot of volume for fasted training.

    Speaking of fasted training with Stimul8....so everyone knows it is on fact suited perfectly for this. The IRISINXD is the key here to preserving muscle while burning up those fat stores.
    Yeah it's more than I planned to do bit I had my nephew there and he's never seen anyone do weighted chins before so I had to show off lol
    Now that I know that it has this effect I might train fasted a bit more often lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post

    I'm gonna have to give this a try. I prefer working out fasted, but was told by a billion bro-scientists that I must at least have a protein shake pre.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post

    Bcaa's at least as per my bro science PhD

    I don't like fasted training at all. But for those who do I suggest BCAA+SAA.

    The intention of fasted training is of course to burn fat. The small amount of calories you need to burn to eliminate the BCAA's is much less a concern IMO then possibly burning some muscle as fuel.

    Call it bro science if you wish, but I call it better safe then sorry
    We must've got our PhDs in bro science from the same place monte!
    I don't usually train fasted often unless I'm dieting down as it can effect my performance in the gym!

    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    definitely a fan of BCAA+SAA pre and intraWO if training in fasted state

    the concept of fasted training is a debatable one, you will get many different opinions on this
    I liken the generic idea of fasted training to the similar generic concept of IF eating pattern: for fat-loss, if you are not a bb'er and just a fat-ass trying to lose weight or control eating patterns, well then okay..if your goals are different than just average joe-schmoe and you want to actually build muscle and shape your body differently, then no sorry do not go that route, both ideas are seriously flawed and detrimental to such

    while IF will never be suitable for bb'ers (seriously - can you picture Arnold or Ronnie coleman practicing IF?), fasted training can certainly be suitable if enough care is given to proper fuel via BCAA ingestion (mainly to protect precious muscle stores), and also care is given to follow this format with proper nutrition afterwards
    it is not a protocol I would necessarily advise for the long-term, but surely this can be utilized in isolated periods for brief durations, to accomplish increased fat-loss
    In a nutshell I agree with you snags, even when dieting down I only utilise fasted training for selective periods of time. I haven't tried iF style as with my work roster it plays havoc. Since I'm going on holidays next week I've been thinking about trailing it for a month..... I know your thoughts on IF tho lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I used to train fasted every morning. Not because I wished to, but because of the time I would train. Now I have a MM shake about an hour prior because I don't like the feeling of starving.
    I always train in the early am nowadays so I know how it feels to try and eat then train at stoopid o clock.

  11. I find fasted training for me, more productive.
    I feel lighter, more focused and in the zone.

    When I beta tested stimul8, I just dripped buckets like it was raining.
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  12. Day 8

    4 creatona
    4 max pump

    Both supps taken pre bed.
    Something I noticed today that I haven't noticed before is my skin felt tighter like I had a small pump, it wore off as the day wore on but it was cool while it lasted.

    Off day from gym today, it was definitely needed after tweaking my elbow yesterday.
    Diet sat around 2700 cals 242g protein 176g carbs and 107g fats.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    I find fasted training for me, more productive.
    I feel lighter, more focused and in the zone.

    When I beta tested stimul8, I just dripped buckets like it was raining.
    I find for me it's very dependant on the day, somedays I have epic workouts sessions then the next ill be dragging my ass the whole way.

    Stimul8 definitely does that for me it's kind of embarrassing yet awesome at the same time

  14. Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    I find fasted training for me, more productive.
    I feel lighter, more focused and in the zone.

    When I beta tested stimul8, I just dripped buckets like it was raining.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I find for me it's very dependant on the day, somedays I have epic workouts sessions then the next ill be dragging my ass the whole way.

    Stimul8 definitely does that for me it's kind of embarrassing yet awesome at the same time
    I've always felt great working out fasted when I used to do it. BCAA's were included, of course. A protein shake isn't bad, which is what I'm doing now, but anything heavier slows me down. It might be mental though...

  15. You are crushing it in here Luke! By the way our challenge thread is up get in there and give your word that you are going to follow through!

    Fit for February 14th... Or Dead Lift in a DRESS!!!
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  16. Going to catch up bud!
    Independent

  17. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    You are crushing it in here Luke! By the way our challenge thread is up get in there and give your word that you are going to follow through!

    Fit for February 14th... Or Dead Lift in a DRESS!!!
    Done and done .
    Cheers for putting it all together Chris.

    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Going to catch up bud!
    Thanks for coming along Bean!

  18. Day 9

    4 creatona
    4 max pump

    All supps a taken pre bed this day. Today is another off day, worked 12.5 hours then had a work Xmas party. I did submit to peer pressure and had a beer and a slice of pizza.... Last time I get to indulge until Xmas day. Heavy compound day tomorrow. Deads, squats and bench. Fun times.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    definitely a fan of BCAA+SAA pre and intraWO if training in fasted state the concept of fasted training is a debatable one, you will get many different opinions on this I liken the generic idea of fasted training to the similar generic concept of IF eating pattern: for fat-loss, if you are not a bb'er and just a fat-ass trying to lose weight or control eating patterns, well then okay..if your goals are different than just average joe-schmoe and you want to actually build muscle and shape your body differently, then no sorry do not go that route, both ideas are seriously flawed and detrimental to such while IF will never be suitable for bb'ers (seriously - can you picture Arnold or Ronnie coleman practicing IF?), fasted training can certainly be suitable if enough care is given to proper fuel via BCAA ingestion (mainly to protect precious muscle stores), and also care is given to follow this format with proper nutrition afterwards it is not a protocol I would necessarily advise for the long-term, but surely this can be utilized in isolated periods for brief durations, to accomplish increased fat-loss
    Very very good explanation here^^^. Couldn't agree more. Totally depends on your goals. All the hype with IF is very misleading. As snags said I've yet to see or hear of any COMPETITIVE bb's or physique athletes use this. BUT to each their own I guess.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    Very very good explanation here^^^. Couldn't agree more. Totally depends on your goals. All the hype with IF is very misleading. As snags said I've yet to see or hear of any COMPETITIVE bb's or physique athletes use this. BUT to each their own I guess.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    Very very good explanation here^^^. Couldn't agree more. Totally depends on your goals. All the hype with IF is very misleading. As snags said I've yet to see or hear of any COMPETITIVE bb's or physique athletes use this. BUT to each their own I guess.
    Yeah snags always has a good way of explaining things. I've heard of a few fitness models and the like using IF but yeah not any professional Bbers. I'm only utilising the fasted training aspect currently but think I may give IF a shot for a month or so while in this competition with kleen and the others.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Yeah snags always has a good way of explaining things. I've heard of a few fitness models and the like using IF but yeah not any professional Bbers. I'm only utilising the fasted training aspect currently but think I may give IF a shot for a month or so while in this competition with kleen and the others.
    I'd be interested In your thoughts if you use it. I did it for 3ish months and hated it. Some like it obviously and I hope you have good experience with it bud :-). Hope you didn't take my last post as rude at all, I just have strong feelings against it is all.

    Back to the pumping. Wait what
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    I'd be interested In your thoughts if you use it. I did it for 3ish months and hated it. Some like it obviously and I hope you have good experience with it bud :-). Hope you didn't take my last post as rude at all, I just have strong feelings against it is all.

    Back to the pumping. Wait what
    I'm sure I'm not going to like it lol, I LOVE food and the thought I going 16hrs without doesn't really appeal to me. I didn't take it as rude at all bro. I've wanted to try it for awhile but due to working rostered days-nights-days off type thing it's actually impossible to stick to. Got a month off work so I can put in some serious dieting / workout consistency to kick this comp off.

  24. Day 10

    1 scoop stimul8
    4 creatona pre wo
    4 max pump pre wo

    I tried out a full scoop of stimul8 today and it was a bit much. I felt overstimmed for the first 20 mins or so. 3/4 is where I'll be staying I think until I develop more of a tolerance.

    I didn't get a chance to do my heavy compound day (squat dead bench) as wifey booked a few appointments so I had to squeeze in a quick workout before night shift.

    Pull day

    Wide grip chins
    Bw x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10

    Hammer strength Lat pulldowns
    175 x 8 x 8 x 8

    Single arm rows
    125 x 7
    110 x 9 x 8

    T bar rows
    225 x 8 x 8
    250 x 6 PR incidental pr here the gym has splashed out and brought some new plates same size and color as 45s but their 55s and I didn't realize until I unloaded them.

    Hammer ground station shrugs
    Did 5 sets working up to 455 for 8.

    Reverse delt cable flyes
    25 x 12 x 12 x 12

    Hammer strength preacher curls
    90 x 8
    80 x 9
    65 x 10

    Wide grip Bb curls ( first time trying these an I don't like them at all. Grip the bars almost out by the collar to target the inner bicep head.)
    65 x 8 x 8 x 8

    Cable rope curls
    No weights in this machine but 3 x 10

    Decent enough workout I was all done in under an hour, strength was down a bit at the start due to the overstimmed situation but it wasn't overly bad.
    Had the huge thermo thing happening as per usual, was drenched when I was done. I noticed some sick vascularity going on when I was doing curls, all up my forearms and into my biceps!
    Diet was good 2810 calories.

  25. Nice work Luke.

    I agree with you on the full scoop. It's just a little much for me too.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I'm sure I'm not going to like it lol, I LOVE food and the thought I going 16hrs without doesn't really appeal to me. I didn't take it as rude at all bro. I've wanted to try it for awhile but due to working rostered days-nights-days off type thing it's actually impossible to stick to. Got a month off work so I can put in some serious dieting / workout consistency to kick this comp off.
    then why do it?
    there is nothing magical about it...ppl seem to love it because they "don't have time" to eat more meals daily, and they feel it is more conducive to their "lifestyle"
    if your schedule is not conducive to IF, I surely wouldn't TRY to make it work, no way
    and no matter what anyone thinks, I will stand adamantly on how ridiculous I think the whole premise is

  27. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    then why do it?
    there is nothing magical about it...ppl seem to love it because they "don't have time" to eat more meals daily, and they feel it is more conducive to their "lifestyle"
    if your schedule is not conducive to IF, I surely wouldn't TRY to make it work, no way
    and no matter what anyone thinks, I will stand adamantly on how ridiculous I think the whole premise is
    Well there's always been a huge deal of hype around the whole IF thing and I want to give it a go for just that reason. My normal schedule doesn't allow to try these types of thing so now that I have some time off I see it as an opportunity to try something new. Plus after my holiday you and I will carry on where we left off and I'm looking forward to that.

  28. Personal experience.

    I did IF for about six months. Lost a lot of fat. Lost a lot of muscle. Quick fix IMO. Steady progress in either direction be it gaining size or losing fat will, in the long run, be much more beneficial.
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  29. Different strokes for different folks gentlemen, nothing magical about IF and nothing magical about 6 meals a day either. I went from 204 to 209 in these pics using IF 200mg of Test E per week and 30-45mg of Epivar a day and Ipamoralen at 100mg 3 times per day. Not a crazy stack and definitely not anything stronger than what most of the guys in here run on the 5-6 meals a day and easily as good results. There is 5 lbs scale weight and obviously a good bit of fat loss so LBM gains were much higher than 5 lbs.

    Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Not just one way is right. All you have to do it get your calories and macros in and IF or 6 meals works. Now if you need 6000-10000 and are running enough gear and HGH to justify what the pros eat then maybe you don't want to do IF. If you have a very fast metabolism you may not want to do IF, but a blanket statement saying it doesn't work is just showing prejudice toward such a different eating strategy in the face of proof that it works. It is just not for some people and that is okay too.

    Considering I did this in 8 weeks on IF and during my prep before I got injured earlier this year I was on more stuff and I didn't make any better progress at 5-6 meals a day it simply goes to show neither is any better than the other simply different ways to get there. One more more enjoyable food choices. I would say the only drawback to IF is it can become easy to relax a bit on, and sometimes more structure is required to real me back in.





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  30. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Different strokes for different folks gentlemen, nothing magical about IF and nothing magical about 6 meals a day either. I went from 204 to 209 in these pics using IF 200mg of Test E per week and 30-45mg of Epivar a day and Ipamoralen at 100mg 3 times per day. Not a crazy stack and definitely not anything stronger than what most of the guys in here run on the 5-6 meals a day and easily as good results. There is 5 lbs scale weight and obviously a good bit of fat loss so LBM gains were much higher than 5 lbs. Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Not just one way is right. All you have to do it get your calories and macros in and IF or 6 meals works. Now if you need 6000-10000 and are running enough gear and HGH to justify what the pros eat then maybe you don't want to do IF. If you have a very fast metabolism you may not want to do IF, but a blanket statement saying it doesn't work is just showing prejudice toward such a different eating strategy in the face of proof that it works. It is just not for some people and that is okay too. Considering I did this in 8 weeks on IF and during my prep before I got injured earlier this year I was on more stuff and I didn't make any better progress at 5-6 meals a day it simply goes to show neither is any better than the other simply different ways to get there. One more more enjoyable food choices. I would say the only drawback to IF is it can become easy to relax a bit on, and sometimes more structure is required to real me back in.
    Well said Chris you are so much better at getting a point across than I am lol.

    I am simply not a fan because, like you say ^^^ for me it was way too easy to relax on, I had horrid GI issues with 2-3 big meals and I felt horrible In the fasted state.

    I most definitely agree that there's more than one way to skin a cat. Look at IIFYM, it is hated amongst most guys and coaches yet there's people who make it work for themselves and their clients. Some people eat clean 100% of the time and it works, this for most isn't all that easy to do.

    Id venture to say that if I could prepare even 4 of my 6-7 meals a day fresh it would be ten times easier to stick to a plan 100% of the time. The fact that I eat 5-6 out of my 6-7 meals a day cold dry and generally chicken gets ****ing old.

    My main complaint about IF is all the hype that comes along with it, that it's magical and the best way to get lean fast. That's complete BS. Just like saying 6/7 meals are better than 3-4. Whatever works for YOU is what you should do period! Experimenting with different things is what we all with our training so why is shouldn't we do it with our nutrition.

    I lived the "clean" eating for 21 weeks to get to the best shape I've ever been, being so restricted for so long caused me to binge for 48 hours and guess what, I lost that physique I worked so hard for in those 48 hours. No lie. So to me what the hell is the point. Somewhere in the middle is where I'm at.

    Lol rant over sorry luke.
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