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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    Hit a sweet deal last year right around this time. Place had standard plates and rubberized olympic for .35 and .50 per pound. So got a bunch.
    Wow. I should start looking around. That is a sweet deal.
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    Damn my bis and tris have gotten really sore over the last few hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Damn my bis and tris have gotten really sore over the last few hours.
    gotta love it though, right!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    gotta love it though, right!?
    Yup! Makes me feel like I'm working hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Yup! Makes me feel like I'm working hard.
    Exactly... sometimes I think f' me this sucks, but then think its just a sign of HARD work...
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    Nice glamour shot of the his/hers stimul8! Sounds like she did pretty good for a 1st timer....and goes to show how potent this product is! 1/3 scoop for a lady means someone with that tolerance would have months of workouts in a single tub. Not bad

    Tearing it up in here, JR. Those were some painful looking curls the other day too. Seated is def tougher than standing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Nice glamour shot of the his/hers stimul8! Sounds like she did pretty good for a 1st timer....and goes to show how potent this product is! 1/3 scoop for a lady means someone with that tolerance would have months of workouts in a single tub. Not bad

    Tearing it up in here, JR. Those were some painful looking curls the other day too. Seated is def tougher than standing.
    Thanks bro! The potency IS great. Wife came home an said that she ate less than she expected at the Thanksgiving work lunch.

    The curls were slacked this week, IMO. But my biceps are not a worry with me. I'd love to focus on more chest and shoulders.
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    I ended up skipping today and stayed in bed. I was up every 15-30 since midnight. All good, I'm sore from the last few days anyway. A break before doing back again won't hurt.

    Since it's now an off day, Crea-Trona and Max Pump will be taken before bed tonight. I hope I sleep through tonight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    I ended up skipping today and stayed in bed. I was up every 15-30 since midnight. All good, I'm sore from the last few days anyway. A break before doing back again won't hurt. Since it's now an off day, Crea-Trona and Max Pump will be taken before bed tonight. I hope I sleep through tonight...
    You've been killing it so a rest is deserved. I wouldn't take the combo before bed thinking it would keep me up. Maybe switch to taking it this morning? I'm thinking pump=Bloat=water retention=frequent bathroom breaks=less sleep. IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    You've been killing it so a rest is deserved. I wouldn't take the combo before bed thinking it would keep me up. Maybe switch to taking it this morning? I'm thinking pump=Bloat=water retention=frequent bathroom breaks=less sleep. IMHO
    Thanks Kenpo. I was going to take them at night based on what @montega1 suggested, but you may have a point. I'm also tempted to take a 1/2 serving of a sample sleep supp tonight or have a couple beers so I'm well rested for tomorrow.
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    those can be dosed before bed just fine..
    whether you are individually inclined to pee more thru the night after drinking increased h2o is very hypothetical
    why is the conclusion stretched here to assume bloat/water retention etc?
    absolutely baseless, nothing to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    those can be dosed before bed just fine.. whether you are individually inclined to pee more thru the night after drinking increased h2o is very hypothetical why is the conclusion stretched here to assume bloat/water retention etc? absolutely baseless, nothing to it
    My thinking and experience, as an older lifter taking Max Pump and Creatrona (love them and using both now), is that the creatine processing through the kidneys and nitrates are forcing fluids into my body's tissues. Both of these processes require water to properly execute. More water in tissues means that it has to "go" somewhere ie peeing more at night (and day). Lol. For me, the more peeing means losing more sleep. Is my thinking flawed here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    those can be dosed before bed just fine..
    whether you are individually inclined to pee more thru the night after drinking increased h2o is very hypothetical
    why is the conclusion stretched here to assume bloat/water retention etc?
    absolutely baseless, nothing to it
    Probably not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    My thinking and experience, as an older lifter taking Max Pump and Creatrona (love them and using both now), is that the creatine processing through the kidneys and nitrates are forcing fluids into my body's tissues. Both of these processes require water to properly execute. More water in tissues means that it has to "go" somewhere ie peeing more at night (and day). Lol. For me, the more peeing means losing more sleep. Is my thinking flawed here?
    you simplify the idea and the process with basic concepts..
    then, amplify the misunderstanding and misapplied theoretical responses, with too much "thinking"
    lol..yes, if you are older and are bothered by a smaller bladder and (due to age) pee more as a result, then consuming more water will surely make you visit the toilet more frequently -- however note this has NOTHING to do with the compounds themselves, nor their physiological effects
    this would be indicative and pertain solely to your own specific situation, not for anyone else

    and one can visit the bathroom multiple times nightly, with no definitive negative impact sleep, if they are falling back to sleep rapidly..

    as for intracellular water - this is pushed into the muscle, and no does not have to be "excreted" in full per se as you say here
    you are way oversimplifying a very complex process
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    Interesting. Is there a benefit to taking at night versus before workout? How about dosing it before workout and before bed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Interesting. Is there a benefit to taking at night versus before workout?
    not really..may be some unique benefits when taken pre-bed, and some like to dose pre-bed on their off-training days..but for all intents & purposes and generally speaking, I would advise dosing these preworkout for best results
    How about dosing it before workout and before bed?
    again you are getting more into preference-type things here..
    some prefer to practice split-dosing of their supps (for variety of reasons)
    once again generally speaking, I would simply advise dosing as specified on bottle directions
    1x daily dosing should be more than sufficient
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    not really..may be some unique benefits when taken pre-bed, and some like to dose pre-bed on their off-training days..but for all intents & purposes and generally speaking, I would advise dosing these preworkout for best results
    again you are getting more into preference-type things here..
    some prefer to practice split-dosing of their supps (for variety of reasons)
    once again generally speaking, I would simply advise dosing as specified on bottle directions
    1x daily dosing should be more than sufficient
    Yes preferences.

    The reason I take Max Pump before bed on off training days is so I have that dose of nitrates closer to my workout the next day. Also I myself have never woken up "bloated" from doing so. Actually quite the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    The reason I take Max Pump before bed on off training days is so I have that dose of nitrates closer to my workout the next day. Also I myself have never woken up "bloated" from doing so. Actually quite the opposite.
    That makes sense. Do you do the same wih Crea-Trona?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post

    That makes sense. Do you do the same wih Crea-Trona?
    Nah. I just take dat in da muuuurnin.

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    I have always had success with MaxPUMP pre-bed on a non training day... learnt that from ole puppy dog eyes himself..
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    I have always had success with MaxPUMP pre-bed on a non training day... learnt that from ole puppy dog eyes himself..
    Interesting, I never would've thought to dose before bed.
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    2/3 scoop of Stimul8, I was soaked by my third set, but had the stamina and focus to do 10 sets each of dead lifts, alternating grip rows, behind the head lat pull, and barbell good mornings. All GVT style.



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    Looking "cool"! Lol. Nice job brother.
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    Way to get after it!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Looking "cool"! Lol. Nice job brother.
    Ha, thanks. I wasn't trying to look like a douche, just focussing on the road. I just wanted to show, if the pic does justice, how soaked I am.

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    Way to get after it!!
    Thanks man! I'll post my log later. Wanted to get kiddos dirt bike going before he knows I went and picked up a new tire for it, and I told wifey I'd clean house before the FSU game because she isn't feeling well.

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    Nice nice. I've been leaning on Stimul8 a lot lately. Long nights at work with no more then four hours of sleep a night all week has had me very tired lol.

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    Nothing says doing work like when you're driving home & your shirt is drenched. On those rare days for me, I feel quite confident saying, "I got what I came for"
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    Pre:
    4x Max Pump (took yesterday's dose between 6-7pm)
    2x Crea-Trona (the other two now)
    2/3s Stimul8

    Super Set 1-
    30 sec rest before rows, 60 secs before deads.

    Barbell Deadlift 389.33

    Set 1 : 135x5
    Set 2 : 225x5
    Set 3 : 315x5
    Set 4 : 315x5
    Set 5 : 365x2
    Set 6 : 315x3
    Set 7 : 225x8
    Set 8 : 225x6
    Set 9 : 225x3
    Set 10 : 135x10

    -Eh, so-so, but I've slacked on dead for almost 3 months.
    -Starting at set 6 I went to the 4.0.2 tempo.

    Alternating Grip Barbell Rows
    4.0.2 tempo

    100x10x10

    -JeFit didn't save this, for some reason. ??
    -I should up my weight here.
    - I focused on "pulling the bar apart" on all reps.


    Super Set 2-
    60s rests

    Wide Grip Pulldown Behind The Neck 160
    4.0.2 tempo

    Set 1 : 110x10
    Set 2 : 110x10
    Set 3 : 110x10 +5 front, no tempo
    Set 4 : 100x10 (someone changed it) +6
    Set 5 : 120x10 (^ making up) + 5
    Set 6 : 110x10 +4
    Set 7 : 110x10 +3
    Set 8 : 110x10 +3
    Set 9 : 110x10 +3
    Set 10 : BWx3 on p/u bar + 110x10

    -Need to increase weight here, not sure by how much.
    -Again, I focused on "pulling the bar apart" on all reps.

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    Barbell Good Morning 180
    4.0.2 tempo

    Set 1 : 135x10
    Set 2 : 135x10
    Set 3 : 135x10
    Set 4 : 135x10
    Set 5 : 135x10
    Set 6 : 135x10
    Set 7 : 135x10
    Set 8 : 135x10
    Set 9 : 135x10
    Set 10 : 135x10 + x10 ATG Squats

    -These got hard on the last few sets, but I maintained the weight. Going to do 145 next time.

    |
    Barbell Ab Rollout on Knees 5

    Set 1 : 5 Laps/Reps
    Set 2 : 5 Laps/Reps
    Set 3 : 2 Laps/Reps

    -30 sec rests here, and doing rollouts every other day has really kept my abs from recovering/doing more.

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    Notes:

    Dayum, Stimul8! I was soaked and fired up the whole workout. I don't know how long I was there, probably near 1:30, but I had crazy energy the whole time. It's nice to have the extra time on a Saturday, so I was able to sip on the Stimul8 about 10 mins before leaving the house, enjoying the flavor, and finishing it still sipping when I got to the gym. It's nice to not slam-and-go. I noticed increased energy about 2-3 mins after my first sip, and it was full on go-time about 10m after the entire shaker was gone.
    I worked out starting around 8:30, and as of now (1500), I still have no crash, semi-high (or at least normal) energy, and still no out of control appetite.

    My lat pumps were crazy, and I definitely feel more strain on them trying to pull the bar apart.

    I think I may go ahead and knock out legs tomorrow. That will give me extra time for the legs and the option of taking a rest day this coming week if I feel I need it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Nice nice. I've been leaning on Stimul8 a lot lately. Long nights at work with no more then four hours of sleep a night all week has had me very tired lol.
    I am still eating at a surplus, but I was just thinking this morning that this pre with a post-wo Thermo would be awesome for a cut.

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    Nothing says doing work like when you're driving home & your shirt is drenched. On those rare days for me, I feel quite confident saying, "I got what I came for"
    I definitely felt spent. No PR's, but I wasn't really going for any. Just trying to fatigue muscles, and I definitely did that!
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    Stimul8 is actually perfectly suited for a cut. A few of the ingredients in there are also found in PX Black hence the appetite suppression and thermo.

    On your GVT here....I'm a bit confused on the strategy you are using. I know you are taking bits and pieces of knowledge from everybody but I'm not understanding the overall approach here....

    You shouldn't be making up reps really and deads shouldn't be incorporated with such low numbers IMO. I wouldn't use those for a GVT set but that's just me. Just trying to figure out your train of thought here

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    I dunno. This is the first day doing this setup. I'm not doing all the same ex's and set counts with accessory muscles that you guys are, but I'm trying to stay with the tempo and (usually) higher reps. What do you suggest? Is it that I did too many overall sets, or that my dead lift reps were too low, or______?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    I dunno. This is the first day doing this setup. I'm not doing all the same ex's and set counts with accessory muscles that you guys are, but I'm trying to stay with the tempo and (usually) higher reps. What do you suggest? Is it that I did too many overall sets, or that my dead lift reps were too low, or______?
    I think you should do deads as an accessory lift after some rows. Also deads and good mornings together for ten sets no matter the rep ranges is crazy lol. Stick to four sets of 8-10 for these.

    I would alternate the deads and good mornings as accessory lifts and use either bb rows or seated cable rows for the primary back thickness exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    I think you should do deads as an accessory lift after some rows. Also deads and good mornings together for ten sets no matter the rep ranges is crazy lol. Stick to four sets of 8-10 for these.

    I would alternate the deads and good mornings as accessory lifts and use either bb rows or seated cable rows for the primary back thickness exercise.
    Ok. What should I superset the primary lift with, IYO? A different muscle group?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post

    Ok. What should I superset the primary lift with, IYO? A different muscle group?
    Antagonistic muscle groups work best IMO. Stretching each other during the alternating sets.

    You could conceivably do GVT in a different fashion where you pre exhaust a weak point.

    So triceps are a weak point of mine. I would consider on my bi and tri day doing

    10x10 preacher curls and the last four sets ss in reverse grip triceps extension.

    Then 10x10 dips out French Press and the last four sets add in a ss with bicep curls.

    I'm not saying do that I was just thinking out loud. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Antagonistic muscle groups work best IMO. Stretching each other during the alternating sets.

    You could conceivably do GVT in a different fashion where you pre exhaust a weak point.

    So triceps are a weak point of mine. I would consider on my bi and tri day doing

    10x10 preacher curls and the last four sets ss in reverse grip triceps extension.

    Then 10x10 dips out French Press and the last four sets add in a ss with bicep curls.

    I'm not saying do that I was just thinking out loud. Lol
    I'll definitely try some of that this week, and just keep watching you and Wasme until I find something I like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    I think you should do deads as an accessory lift after some rows. Also deads and good mornings together for ten sets no matter the rep ranges is crazy lol. Stick to four sets of 8-10 for these. .
    Exactly what I have been doing... good call Montana
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    I'll definitely try some of that this week, and just keep watching you and Wasme until I find something I like.
    Great thing about all this, a bit of trial and error till you find exactly what works for you is good
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    Pre:
    1/2 scoop Stimul8
    4x Max Pump
    (4x Crea-Trona taken 5 hours pre)

    SUPER SET 1
    4.0.2 Tempo, 20 sec from squats to curls, then 60 before starting over. I had to switch between whatever curl machine was available.

    Barbell Squat 260

    Bar x3 to see if my back would even respond well to squats one day after all that lower back work.
    135x2 warmup

    Set 1 : 195x10
    Set 2 : 195x10
    Set 3 : 195x10
    Set 4 : 195x10
    Set 5 : 195x10
    Set 6 : 195x10
    Set 7 : 195x10
    Set 8 : 195x10
    Set 9 : 195x10
    Set 10 : 195x10
    |
    Standing Leg Curl (single leg) 133.33

    Set 1 : 100x10
    Set 3 : 100x10
    Set 9 : 100x10
    Set 10 : 100x10
    |
    Lying Leg Curls (both legs) 106.67

    Set 2 : 80x10
    Set 4 : 80x10
    Set 5 : 80x10
    Set 6 : 80x10
    Set 7 : 80x10
    Set 8 : 80x10
    Until I loaded the log, I thought I only hit 9 on a set or two of both. They were so friggin' hard there at the end. Either way, upping to 200 on squats and 90/110 on curls.

    Obviously, the resistance on both of these were different.

    SUPER SET 2
    Tempo 4.0.2 on extensions, 4.0.2.2 on calves. No breaks except to go from one to another (10s?), and a bathroom break on set 7 before calves.

    Leg Extensions 200

    Set 1 : 145x10
    Set 2 : 145x9 (??)
    Set 3 : 145x10
    Set 4 : 150x10 (*different machine)
    Set 5 : 145x10
    Set 6 : 150x10 *
    Set 7 : 150x10 *
    Set 8 : 150x10 *
    Set 9 : 150x10 *
    Set 10 : 150x10 *

    |
    Donkey Calf Raises 600

    Set 1 : 400x15 (feet straight)
    Set 2 : 400x15 (Str)
    Set 3 : 400x12 (toes out)
    Set 4 : 400x12 (toes in)
    Set 5 : 400x13 (in)
    Set 6 : 400x12 (out)
    Set 7 : 400x12 (str)
    Set 8 : 400x11 (str)
    Set 9 : 400x12 (str)
    Set 10 : 400x12 (out)
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    I really wish I had done 2/3s Stimul8 again. I had the focus and strength for all the sets, but I didn't get the same Thermo (sweat/HR) boost that I've been enjoying at 2/3. So, 2/3 again tomorrow. Probably bis/tris.

    If any of you doing GVT see something that I should fix here, let me know. Usually I don't have time for 10 sets on the second super set, but I took advantage of the weekend lifting.
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    For time constraints just do two GVT sets.....big compounds like the squats and lying leg curls. You don't NEED five sets of ten brother.

    I think the basic squats ss with lying leg curls for 10x10 is PLENTY for one super set. Also seeing as how you are getting all ten reps on all sets you need to up the weight where you are hitting the wall on set six now. THEN you keep going with this weight until you hit ten by ten and bump it up five percent.

    If calves are something you are focusing on then monster set those in with the squats and leg curls.

    Try this

    Squats/Lying leg curls/calves. No rest between exercises ninety seconds rest between monster sets of 10x10.

    Leg extensions/Standing leg curls. No rest between exercises, sixty seconds rest between super sets of 4x12-15

    After you do those monster sets you should be so fukin wore out that the super sets on accessory lifts should be AWFUL. If that's not the case you're doing it wrong

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