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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    I am going to be honest here, i haven't noticed any change at all from stopping Cissus and Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM/Hyaluronic Acid. Same pain, same discomfort. I guess it can't work for everyone.
    Both Achillies and SuperCissus worked wonders for my knees. I have been able to run that last 56 of 60 days... before that I was usually taking 2 days a week off. But not sure there is much effect where my shoulder is concerned. That said, just did my shoulder / back width workout and shoulder held up really nicely. Perhaps that day off yesterday helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    Perhaps that day off yesterday helped.
    ya think?

    I keep tellin you guys, rest is just as important part of the equation, as mauling the training itself is..
    perhaps even more so, in some respects
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    11/12/13

    Warmup with 3/4 scoop of Stimul8: 5.5 km jog

    - My tub of stimul8 is down to the last few scoops. When you consider this log started 45 or so days ago with daily dosings and have found it effective at all dosing levels from .5, .75, 1 scoop - it speaks volumes to both performance and cost effectiveness.

    GVT: Shoulders and Back Width

    Seated Barbell Press:
    120x10
    120x10
    120x10
    120x10
    120x10
    120x10
    120x10
    120x10
    120x10
    120x10

    -tempo was 40X0
    -shoulder held up really nicely.

    Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns:
    190x10
    190x10
    190x10
    190x10
    190x10
    190x10
    190x10
    190x10
    190x10
    190x10

    -tempo was 40X0

    Face Pulls:
    110x15
    110x15
    110x15
    110x15

    D-Grip Pulldowns:
    180x15
    180x15
    180x12
    180x12

    Shrugs:
    60x10
    60x10
    60x10

    - 3 count at the top

    Stretchers:
    150x10
    150x10
    150x10

    - 2 count on the stretch

    Was really happy with my workout this morning. 33 minutes for the run, and 41 minutes total for weights with short rest periods. Was very focused and had terrific energy.

    On a side note: I really need to clean up my eating more though and get rid of this bodyfat. For all the work I feel I put in, between running/weights I should be progressing in the fat loss and lean mass department. I know I am slowly adding mass, but I am just not shifting the bodyfat. And hence why I haven't taken pics yet - I find I look at them and then get very discouraged with myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    ya think?

    I keep tellin you guys, rest is just as important part of the equation, as mauling the training itself is..
    perhaps even more so, in some respects

    Indeed you do.. thanks.

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    Wow, you busted out a lot of weight/sets a short period of time.

    I hear you on BF. I've let my appetite get the best of me too the last few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    Indeed you do.. thanks.

    You are like our AM Yoda.
    well thanks dude

    errr, wait - are you calling me ugly?



    damn Canadians, you never know what they are saying....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Wow, you busted out a lot of weight/sets a short period of time.

    I hear you on BF. I've let my appetite get the best of me too the last few months.
    Thanks. There was really no rest just movement to movement, only rest was setting up for the first rep each time.

    I keep thinking I am doing ok actually, keeping carbs down or trying to cycle them but perhaps the types of carbs or fats in meat are just too high. Better start tracking everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    well thanks dude

    errr, wait - are you calling me ugly?



    damn Canadians, you never know what they are saying....
    ....no just calling you a wise old dude!

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    yes try monitoring your fat intake simon
    this is typically the macro that would be off, for guys who only concentrate on carb ingestion..only so far you can go with fats outta control

    this is just guesswork, as I have no clue of your overall cal intake/choice of foods, but seems a logical good place to start
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    yes try monitoring your fat intake simon
    this is typically the macro that would be off, for guys who only concentrate on carb ingestion..only so far you can go with fats outta control

    this is just guesswork, as I have no clue of your overall cal intake/choice of foods, but seems a logical good place to start
    Thanks Steve. Appreciate your input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    well thanks dude

    errr, wait - are you calling me ugly?

    damn Canadians, you never know what they are saying....
    I definitely see the resemblance.

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    11/13/13

    Dosed 1/2 scoop of Stimul8 after work, raked up some leaves for 20 minutes as a warmup. Day off the running today.


    Arms

    SuperSet 1

    Close Grip Bench Press:
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x9
    140x8
    140x10

    Preacher Curls:
    70x10
    70x10
    70x10
    70x10
    70x10
    70x10
    70x10
    70x10
    70x10
    70x10

    - thought I would change things up a little here, swapping EZ for Preachers (EZ's done below where Preachers have been). Actually found this even more effective my arms were so pumped and sore by the end of this superset. But my energy levels were soaring.


    Superset 2

    Overhead Tricep Extension:
    100x15
    100x15
    100x13
    100x12

    EZ Curls:
    85x15
    85x10
    85x12
    85x10

    - bordered on agonizing - after the fact, can't help but love it.


    Superset 3

    Rope Pushdown:
    90x15
    90x15
    90x15

    Concentration Curls:
    30x10/10
    30x10/10
    30x10/10

    - somehow I was able to dig pretty deep here, as this was my best effort yet for concentration curls

    Really focused, and energy levels were perfect for 1/2 a scoop. I did notice that 1/2 scoop does not affect my appetite like 3/4-1 scoop. Chills and thermo both present today though.
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    Those close-grips are heavy without the tempo, and way to pound out that 10th set!

    And nice volume in everything else, too. I may give preachers a go, soon. I've never really liked them, and don't feel the burn I do on others. Maybe it's a weak part of the bicep for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Those close-grips are heavy without the tempo, and way to pound out that 10th set!

    And nice volume in everything else, too. I may give preachers a go, soon. I've never really liked them, and don't feel the burn I do on others. Maybe it's a weak part of the bicep for me...
    Thanks, was a tough go!

    I really liked the preachers. Find I get such a nice stretch at the extension, and burn at the top. They used to really bug my elbows but I moved my hands in just a little and that seems to have helped.
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    ugh... double post.
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    Are you doing them with a straight or EZ bar?
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    Great stuff Simon, your volume speaks volumes.
    Seriously, you are killing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Are you doing them with a straight or EZ bar?
    Ez bar..
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Great stuff Simon, your volume speaks volumes.
    Seriously, you are killing it.
    Thanks Andrew, appreciate it man.
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    Still killing it here bud. Do since you've been doing the GVT a little while now what do u think of it??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post
    Still killing it here bud. Do since you've been doing the GVT a little while now what do u think of it??
    Hey Dan, good to see you in here buddy. How is the hunt going?

    Really enjoying it actually. Surprisingly I don't find it boring. In fact, even though at sets 5-7 I am saying to myself 'holy sh*t'... getting to 10 x 10 is a challenge and working with the tempo somewhat engaging. Muscles feel hard and pumped and doms usually are present.
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    11/14/2013

    No weights today.

    After work did go for a 6km run. I really dislike running later in the day. Once I have had lots of water and some food I find it just harder. Perhaps because I always run fasted with just BCAA's in me.

    Chest/Back Thickness tomorrow. 2 on 1 off, is already feeling better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
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    No weights today.

    After work did go for a 6km run. I really dislike running later in the day. Once I have had lots of water and some food I find it just harder. Perhaps because I always run fasted with just BCAA's in me.

    Chest/Back Thickness tomorrow. 2 on 1 off, is already feeling better.
    I agree here. I prefer fasted training, even though I know I shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    I agree here. I prefer fasted training, even though I know I shouldn't.
    Fasted cardio treats me so much better. I prefer fasted weights sessions as well. Couple of reasons: one i just feel fresher and secondly because no one interferes with my workouts early in the morning (ie kids, wife, mental stress from the day, pressure to do other things... f me that list could go on forever!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    Fasted cardio treats me so much better. I prefer fasted weights sessions as well. Couple of reasons: one i just feel fresher and secondly because no one interferes with my workouts early in the morning (ie kids, wife, mental stress from the day, pressure to do other things... f me that list could go on forever!)
    Again, I agree. I can manage a protein shake 45 min prior while I'm having coffee, but when I tried the solid foods pre-workout I noticed that I just never had the intensity I had without. Nog sure why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Again, I agree. I can manage a protein shake 45 min prior while I'm having coffee, but when I tried the solid foods pre-workout I noticed that I just never had the intensity I had without. Nog sure why...
    I know if I eat and then take a preworkout, it really takes the effectiveness of the product away.
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    Are you guys doing 4-second negs on dead lifts too? I don't remember seeing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Are you guys doing 4-second negs on dead lifts too? I don't remember seeing...
    On accessory lifts my tempo is 2020 or 3030.. I added dead lifts in there just for exhaustion and to work on form at a lighter weight (I have a tendancy to tweak my back doing deads/stifflegged deads)
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    I am going to be honest here, i haven't noticed any change at all from stopping Cissus and Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM/Hyaluronic Acid. Same pain, same discomfort. I guess it can't work for everyone.
    Could be an actual soft tissue injury, have you had an MRI?
    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    Fasted cardio treats me so much better. I prefer fasted weights sessions as well. Couple of reasons: one i just feel fresher and secondly because no one interferes with my workouts early in the morning (ie kids, wife, mental stress from the day, pressure to do other things... f me that list could go on forever!)
    I prefer morning workouts for the same reason.

    Curious, Why do you do 4-0-0 on the shoulder work? One of the big factors in GVT is the amount of GH released and localized IGF produced from the workout. That is a direct effect of the amount of lactic acid build up. Slow concentric contractions produce much more lactic acid than slow negatives, increasing the GH release.

    You want to really feel the burn on biceps even more than preachers switch it up to Incline DB Curls one of the cool things with them is that they stretch the long head of the biceps, making it work more. The long head is the one on the outside that makes your biceps have a good peak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Could be an actual soft tissue injury, have you had an MRI?

    Curious, Why do you do 4-0-0 on the shoulder work? One of the big factors in GVT is the amount of GH released and localized IGF produced from the workout. That is a direct effect of the amount of lactic acid build up. Slow concentric contractions produce much more lactic acid than slow negatives, increasing the GH release.
    Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis?

    Seriously, are you suggesting that a longer raise on shoulder movements is more beneficial than a longer neg? This is all Chinese to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post

    Curious, Why do you do 4-0-0 on the shoulder work? One of the big factors in GVT is the amount of GH released and localized IGF produced from the workout. That is a direct effect of the amount of lactic acid build up. Slow concentric contractions produce much more lactic acid than slow negatives, increasing the GH release.

    You want to really feel the burn on biceps even more than preachers switch it up to Incline DB Curls one of the cool things with them is that they stretch the long head of the biceps, making it work more. The long head is the one on the outside that makes your biceps have a good peak.
    Are you saying for shoulders do 4-0-2-0? And I will give the incline DB curls a go next arm day. Thanks.
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    11/15/13

    Warmup (after work) 5km run. Dosed 3/4 scoop of Stimul8 prior to leaving.

    GVT: Chest, Back Thickness - Tempo 40X0

    Superset 1

    Flat Bench Press
    175x10
    175x10
    175x10
    175x10
    175x10
    175x10
    175x9
    175x9
    175x8
    175x8

    Bent Over Barbell Rows
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10
    140x10



    Superset 2

    Machine Flies
    110x15
    110x15
    110x14
    110x13

    Deadlifts
    160x10
    160x10
    160x10
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    - Good workout but like yesterday found the run tougher in the pm, and this workout following felt gruelling. As I sit here, I am actually feeling a frustrated feeling, almost like agression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis?

    Seriously, are you suggesting that a longer raise on shoulder movements is more beneficial than a longer neg? This is all Chinese to me...
    On all exercises really. However what I meant was the slow concentric or positive contraction produces more lactic acid than a slow negative of the same amount of time. Hence the 2 second lift and 4 second negative. They will produce about the same lactic acid release each way even with the concentric being shorter Time Under Tension than the negative.
    The better way is to use both like in the write up. This way you get maximal Growth Hormone release by using both.


    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    Are you saying for shoulders do 4-0-2-0? And I will give the incline DB curls a go next arm day. Thanks.
    Yes, 4 second negative, no pause, 2 seconds concentric, no pause I don't typically write out the last number if not pausing. I just add one if there is a pause. That tempo should be the same for all of your main lifts.

    I see you did the 4-0-0 on chest and back as well. So slow down the concentric, one good thing it will lowere the weight some which will help that shoulder that is bothering you . Yes definitely try the Incline DB Curls next time. Prepare for a FIRE in your biceps! Remember when doing them to keep the elbow back and not bring it forward to get the weight up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Frustration from the later workout(s)?
    Not sure... just came in the house pissed off. I guess at times life gets to you. I posted a good workout, but inside wasnt happy with it maybe. Or perhaps in a mood or something lol

    Going out for a steak and baked potato here shortly though.. date night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yes, 4 second negative, no pause, 2 seconds concentric, no pause I don't typically write out the last number if not pausing. I just add one if there is a pause. That tempo should be the same for all of your main lifts.

    I see you did the 4-0-0 on chest and back as well. So slow down the concentric, one good thing it will lowere the weight some which will help that shoulder that is bothering you . Yes definitely try the Incline DB Curls next time. Prepare for a FIRE in your biceps! Remember when doing them to keep the elbow back and not bring it forward to get the weight up.

    Ok I was following the simply shredded gvt article that says 4-0-x-0. I will change it to 4-0-2 though. Thanks, always good to see guys looking out for us, helping us learn and 'grow' (not the way lifeblood likes us growing either lol).

    Will do.. looking forward to arm day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RegisterJr View Post
    Nice! Have fun bro! I know a steak would put me in a good mood...
    Yep best way to turn things around... thanks Thomas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    Ok I was following the simply shredded gvt article that says 4-0-x-0. I will change it to 4-0-2 though. Thanks, always good to see guys looking out for us, helping us learn and 'grow' (not the way lifeblood likes us growing either lol).

    Will do.. looking forward to arm day.

    I see the Meadows routine is back treating you well Chris..
    Yep, a little cautious about tonight going to try to push the legs harder than I have since the injury. If all bodes well it is going to be full steam ahead which will help give me some more motivation. At least if nothing else I can slay upper body without any worry of the back now! Love the Meadows training.

    Oh that write up must be slightly different than the original one in the book if it says 4-0-x-0.
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    Man I know what you are saying. I would love to be able to slam some protein with my Pre, cause the pre isn't going anywhere. I have to have my stims!
  

  
 

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