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    Thanks to MAN Sports for selecting me to log their new recovery product called PF3.
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    There has been quite a stir of interest here on AM about the effectiveness of this product. The only real effect that can be logged is muscle recovery.

    Because of this, I'll only be taking my PWO and 1 scoop PF3 before my workout, 1 scoop protein isolate intra, followed by 1 scoop PF3 immediately post workout. Even though MAN was generous enough to include leucine, I decided to not use it to see only the effects of PF3 by itself.

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    Added 1 scoop fruit punch PF3 then 10 oz of water to my shaker. Shaking vigorously resulted in a foamy head and undissolved PF3. Will try swirling next time and adding PF3 to the water to see if it dissolves better. Taste is acceptable, meaning it's the typical sucralose and acesulfame sweetness we all know but don't love.

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    A big thank you to MAN Sports for allowing me the opportunity to log their new product called PF3.

    There has been quite a stir of interest here on AM about the effectiveness of this product. The only real effect that could be logged is muscle recovery.

    Because of this, I only used my PWO and 1 scoop PF3 before my workout followed by 1 scoop PF3 immediately post workout. Even though MAN was generous enough to include leucine, I decided to not use it to see only the effects of PF3 by itself.

    I completely stopped taking my whey isolate protein replacing it with protein from whole foods. I kept my usual macro amounts the same as before starting PF3.

    After two tubs of use here are my thoughts:

    Mixability: 8/10
    Can't just do the dump and shake method, you have to fill your container with water, start swirling and slowly add PF3. Mixes perfectly this way.

    Flavor: 8/10 I logged their fruit punch and candy grape flavors. Grape was my favorite and it tasted like grape pixi-sticks. I used 10 ounces of water and the taste was great without any overpowering sweetness.

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    This is a controversial product to run.

    As I mentioned above, I stopped all WPI powder and kept my macros consistent using whole foods. My issue is that WPI and other protein powders cause bloating and this log proved that to me from stopping all WPI consumption. To be clear, PF3 is not a protein substitute.

    Recovery is the biggest benefit. PF3 has allowed me to lean out and experience super reduced DOMS, improved recovery and improved GI function. Recovery is so hard to judge as it really depends on your workout intensity, muscle stress level and duration. I can say that recovery time decreased while on PF3.

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    Upon first dosing as your body gets used to this, I experienced a few days of loose bowel movements. Nothing bad just noticeably loose. After continuous use the GI system felt improved.

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    Overall I'd recommend PF3 to my fellow lifters. Anyone suffering IBS should definitely try this.

    The only issue I have is the price point. PF3 is expensive and I think if MAN would drop the price they would gain market share.
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    So far most are reporting foam with shakin, stirring seems to be best....
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    First morning workout fasted, with Gameday PWO plus PF3 pre, isolate intra and PF3 post. Tried adding to water and swirling. Result was a clump. Going to try adding small amounts and swirling. It's no big deal as quite a few supps clump.

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    One hour limit and done. Will run PF3 for a week before commenting on effectiveness.
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    IN, and what a nice home gym.
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    Holy crap you've got a nice set up there bro lol

    Feel free to add the Leucine in around week 2, by then you should likely be able to notice a difference in terms of fullness and recovery among other things
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    How much for membership to your gym / barn?
    Thanks PH and AllNatural! I'd like a training partner. Anyone close to Mentor Ohio has "free" access to my gym! Lol

    It's been in the making for 20 years and finally a great place to do anything from practicing martial arts to lifting.
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    Slowly adding PF3 to water while swirling is the way to mix this. No shaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post

    Thanks PH and AllNatural! I'd like a training partner. Anyone close to Mentor Ohio has "free" access to my gym! Lol

    It's been in the making for 20 years and finally a great place to do anything from practicing martial arts to lifting.
    Yea that's a sick gym! I have a home gym but nothing that big, I live in South Bend IN probably not to far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete8407 View Post
    Yea that's a sick gym! I have a home gym but nothing that big, I live in South Bend IN probably not to far.
    ^ He is hinting at a visit to your home gym OP. Just have him bring free products as the initiation fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    ^ He is hinting at a visit to your home gym OP. Just have him bring free products as the initiation fee.
    Lol. All are welcome. Brothers in iron, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    ^ He is hinting at a visit to your home gym OP. Just have him bring free products as the initiation fee.
    Oh yea if I'm ever over that way I would definitely bring him a tub of something MAN! Gotta spread the wealth of MAN supps and the MAN 1%er Army!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Slowly adding PF3 to water while swirling is the way to mix this. No shaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Slowly adding PF3 to water while swirling is the way to mix this. No shaking.
    I'll have to try this! Great session!

    Do you have hard water? I'm just curious, as the water in Nashville is kinda hard from all the limestone around these parts I'm wondering if it might affect the solubility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misfit28 View Post

    I'll have to try this! Great session!

    Do you have hard water? I'm just curious, as the water in Nashville is kinda hard from all the limestone around these parts I'm wondering if it might affect the solubility.
    Thank you!

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    Mixed MAN's PF3 by slowly adding to water while swirling and no clumps. DLs yesterday usually make my back sore but so far no DOMS. Will give it another day to assess soreness.

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    Interesting observation: I'm sweating more during my workouts. Any one else seeing the same? Is PF3 showing any thermogenic effects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Interesting observation: I'm sweating more during my workouts. Any one else seeing the same? Is PF3 showing any thermogenic effects?
    One benefit is Pf3 helps mobilize fat for fuel; so that could be something
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Interesting observation: I'm sweating more during my workouts. Any one else seeing the same? Is PF3 showing any thermogenic effects?
    Very nice I think your the first to report this type of effect!
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    Quote Originally Posted by allnatural923 View Post

    One benefit is Pf3 helps mobilize fat for fuel; so that could be something
    A very nice benefit to add.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by allnatural923 View Post
    One benefit is Pf3 helps mobilize fat for fuel; so that could be something
    Huh? Please, explain this. First I've heard of protein peptides having a strong beta-andrenergic agonizing effect. Sounds interesting.
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    2 scoops PF3 plus WPI. Noticing increases in recovery and reduction in DOMS. Also noticing an increase in sweating, thermogenic effect?

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    Lol. Repairing and painting trim on a 60x40 building on my property. Last weekend was power washing and wall painting. Whew, now "this" is a workout!
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    I like this thermogenic effect your getting!
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    Somebody, please explain how the thermogenic effects of PF3 works. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    2 scoops PF3 plus WPI. Noticing increases in recovery and reduction in DOMS. Also noticing an increase in sweating, thermogenic effect?

    Special workout routine today:

    Ladder Climbs
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    Brush Strokes
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    Equipment Carries

    Lol. Repairing and painting trim on a 60x40 building on my property. Last weekend was power washing and wall painting. Whew, now "this" is a workout!
    Nice workout
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    2 scoops PF3 plus WPI. Noticing increases in recovery and reduction in DOMS. Also noticing an increase in sweating, thermogenic effect?

    Special workout routine today:

    Ladder Climbs
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    Brush Strokes
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    Equipment Carries

    Lol. Repairing and painting trim on a 60x40 building on my property. Last weekend was power washing and wall painting. Whew, now "this" is a workout!
    Lol. I love real world workouts. In my last log, I took 2 scoops pump x3 and did yard work in a wife beater. Had to show the neighbors what was up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    2 scoops PF3 plus WPI. Noticing increases in recovery and reduction in DOMS. Also noticing an increase in sweating, thermogenic effect?

    Special workout routine today:

    Ladder Climbs
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    Brush Strokes
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    Equipment Carries

    Lol. Repairing and painting trim on a 60x40 building on my property. Last weekend was power washing and wall painting. Whew, now "this" is a workout!
    Hell yes! I can't really attribute the sweating to PF3, because I was sweating like a whore in church before it with this high-volume timed-set stuff I'm doing right now I also had a PWO with some Yohimbine in it, so there is that.

    I love the recovery so far, though. It is really pretty amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Lol. I love real world workouts. In my last log, I took 2 scoops pump x3 and did yard work in a wife beater. Had to show the neighbors what was up!
    Absolutely, I have been known to do "HIIT lawnmowing" where I do hill sprints with my push mower on the hill in my front yard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misfit28 View Post

    Absolutely, I have been known to do "HIIT lawnmowing" where I do hill sprints with my push mower on the hill in my front yard
    Oh hell no, I do the same thing! A guy in my neighborhood actually puts on a black trash bag like suit and runs cutting the grass. That's a little too intense for me
  

  
 

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