Mkretz gets Restored, Formutech Restore

[mkretz]

Just got the bottle in today and will start dosing tomorrow. I will stick with 4 pills (one serving) each day. I will take all 4 pills with a meal around dinner time....unless it can be taken on an empty stomach ill take it in the morning.

I am currently running 400mg test cyp/wk, two injections of 200mg. Mynormal trt dosage is 100mg a week but im on a "blast" I have been running aromasin 12.5 mgs eod but will stop thatin favor of restore to see how i feel and look, really interested to see how this works!



thanks again formutech!!

 

[TheSwanks]

In it dude!

 

[mkretz]

glad to have you in brotha, you ever run this? first dose was today, 4 caps with big meal (doing IF), Im actually really just eating one huge meal at night, trying to get away from it but I have like an issue with just wanting to eat tons at once, gotta break it.

had an injection toaybut for some reason todays workout was really lacking inintensity,not even worth posting.....some lifts were up a little (incline DB,dips) but just not proud of the intensity of it,normally im ananimal, o well everyone has their days,tomorrow I am looking forward to killin back/bis

 

[TheSwanks]

glad to have you in brotha, you ever run this? first dose was today, 4 caps with big meal (doing IF), Im actually really just eating one huge meal at night, trying to get away from it but I have like an issue with just wanting to eat tons at once, gotta break it.

had an injection toaybut for some reason todays workout was really lacking inintensity,not even worth posting.....some lifts were up a little (incline DB,dips) but just not proud of the intensity of it,normally im ananimal, o well everyone has their days,tomorrow I am looking forward to killin back/bis

I have yeah, its a really solid formula and well dosed!

We all have those days dude don't sweat it!!

 

[mkretz]

well... i took sum pics today for the log but for some reason i cannot get them on here.

today was a back day,my cousin came down from niagara falls to lift with me which was cool. I dont really like to talk during workouts but we didour fair share, because of this the focus was a little on and off. Overall the intensity was very high though because we did alot of forced reps and negatives and drop sets, so we had a nice pump goin in our backs, which is a rare occasion.

Banded rack DL
worked up to 425x1, the bands add alot of weight so this felt good! and still had more [video=youtube;3uoi0DIi2DM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoi0DIi2DM[/video]
here it is!

then 315x5
315x5
325x5
335x5
345x5!

pullups - did 5 sets total last 2 sets were only liek 3 repson myown with 3 forced with really slow negatives

chin ups - same thing, 3 sets i suck at pull ups and chin ups so this was awsoem to get the negative reps whichi know will really help

bent over row
185x12
185x12
195x12
195x12 drop 135x15

tbar row - using 25 lb plates for greater rom - get a sick contraction from this!

150x12
160x12
160x12
160x12 drop 100 drop 75 drop 50 - sick pump goin after that

banded hammer strength low row 4 sets 10-12

rev grip pulldown hammer row 4 sets 10-12 forced reps on last 2 sets

rev hyperext 4 sets 15-20 - 50 lbs

decline cable pullover - lay on a decline bench grab a low pully and do a pullover, great stretch and lat isolation! ss neutral grip pulldown 4 sets 10-15

 

[mkretz]

lack of love in here :-(, still dosing 4 caps a day , tomorrowis an injection day, figure ill run the test for 3 more weeks then stop before getting blood work for my doc , notlooking forrward to the drop in test, but i wanna keepmy script lol

today was an off day just cardio

tomorrow will be LEGS!!! anyone that knows me my leg days are usually pretty epic, so i will be pullin for one of those again tomorrow!

 

[TheSwanks]

well... i took sum pics today for the log but for some reason i cannot get them on here.

today was a back day,my cousin came down from niagara falls to lift with me which was cool. I dont really like to talk during workouts but we didour fair share, because of this the focus was a little on and off. Overall the intensity was very high though because we did alot of forced reps and negatives and drop sets, so we had a nice pump goin in our backs, which is a rare occasion.

Banded rack DL
worked up to 425x1, the bands add alot of weight so this felt good! and still had more YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoi0DIi2DM
here it is!

then 315x5
315x5
325x5
335x5
345x5!

pullups - did 5 sets total last 2 sets were only liek 3 repson myown with 3 forced with really slow negatives

chin ups - same thing, 3 sets i suck at pull ups and chin ups so this was awsoem to get the negative reps whichi know will really help

bent over row
185x12
185x12
195x12
195x12 drop 135x15

tbar row - using 25 lb plates for greater rom - get a sick contraction from this!

150x12
160x12
160x12
160x12 drop 100 drop 75 drop 50 - sick pump goin after that

banded hammer strength low row 4 sets 10-12

rev grip pulldown hammer row 4 sets 10-12 forced reps on last 2 sets

rev hyperext 4 sets 15-20 - 50 lbs

decline cable pullover - lay on a decline bench grab a low pully and do a pullover, great stretch and lat isolation! ss neutral grip pulldown 4 sets 10-15

Nice rack pull dude! I've got to get some bands, I've used them a couple times and it really adds a great dynamic to any lift!

 

[TheSwanks]

lack of love in here :-(, still dosing 4 caps a day , tomorrowis an injection day, figure ill run the test for 3 more weeks then stop before getting blood work for my doc , notlooking forrward to the drop in test, but i wanna keepmy script lol

today was an off day just cardio

tomorrow will be LEGS!!! anyone that knows me my leg days are usually pretty epic, so i will be pullin for one of those again tomorrow!

Sorry man! I was out of town a while so my access was spotty! Looking forward to the leg day update though!!

 

[mkretz]

bands are great to really emphasize certain parts of the movment

 

[mkretz]

so my legs were still not 100% today so broke them up, quads/chest and did tris too, i did less volume for each body part than normal but got through more body parts, i think i might keep doing this, really feels like i get alot accomplished

leg ext 5 sets double drop on last 2 sets 12-20 reps

leg press , short ROM for quad emphasis , 7 plates 15-20 reps 5 sets drop plate by plate to2palteson last set

hack squat feet low on the platform for quad empasis, my teardrop felt liek it was gonna rip after the pre exhaust and then teh leg press and then teh extreme stretch this position puts u in!

5 sets 10-15 drop on last set

front squat - crazy weak on these after all that - only used 95 for 5 sets of 12-15 constant tension though

incline db press - brought weight downto really focus on full ROM and good contractions - success - 5 sets 10-12

weighted dips 4 sets 10-15 drop on last set - 1 negative set with alot of weight 5reps with 5 second negatives

hammer strength press - 3 sets 10-15 drop on last set

hex press 3 sets 10-12

db flat fly ss push up 3 sets 10-15

skull crusher 4 sets 10-12 plus presses and CG pushups

straight bar press down 4 sets 10-12 double drop on last set

one arm cable overhead 3 sets 10-15

 

[TheSwanks]

so my legs were still not 100% today so broke them up, quads/chest and did tris too, i did less volume for each body part than normal but got through more body parts, i think i might keep doing this, really feels like i get alot accomplished

leg ext 5 sets double drop on last 2 sets 12-20 reps

leg press , short ROM for quad emphasis , 7 plates 15-20 reps 5 sets drop plate by plate to2palteson last set

hack squat feet low on the platform for quad empasis, my teardrop felt liek it was gonna rip after the pre exhaust and then teh leg press and then teh extreme stretch this position puts u in!

5 sets 10-15 drop on last set

front squat - crazy weak on these after all that - only used 95 for 5 sets of 12-15 constant tension though

incline db press - brought weight downto really focus on full ROM and good contractions - success - 5 sets 10-12

weighted dips 4 sets 10-15 drop on last set - 1 negative set with alot of weight 5reps with 5 second negatives

hammer strength press - 3 sets 10-15 drop on last set

hex press 3 sets 10-12

db flat fly ss push up 3 sets 10-15

skull crusher 4 sets 10-12 plus presses and CG pushups

straight bar press down 4 sets 10-12 double drop on last set

one arm cable overhead 3 sets 10-15

Nice leg work bro!

 

[mkretz]

Thanks brotha

 

[mkretz]

One rhing I've noticed since starting is a bit of gi distress....could be normal jus t fron all the food I eat but not sure its like no mattrr how much I poop I always feel like I gotta go haha hopefully it will subside, ill keep everyone informed on my boeel movements

 

[mkretz]

Off day today just cardio and maybe sone abs......back hams tomorrow

 

[TheSwanks]

One rhing I've noticed since starting is a bit of gi distress....could be normal jus t fron all the food I eat but not sure its like no mattrr how much I poop I always feel like I gotta go haha hopefully it will subside, ill keep everyone informed on my boeel movements

Pics please

 

[mkretz]

haha only for you

 

[mkretz]

 

[TheSwanks]

Wow u look frustrated

 

[pistol345]

I'm in here bro. Just started my log too.

 

[mkretz]

I'm in here bro. Just started my log too.

glad to have you in!

 

[mkretz]

back/hams today

wasnt feeling too great to start but as i warmed up more and more i was feelin good. soooooooooooo i decided to go for a pr in DL!

got it!, 455! not perfect form but i got it up haha, prolly had another 5 lbs in me

DL
315x5
315x5
315x5
335x5
345x5
355x5
225x15
225x15 rest 5 rest 5

pull ups - i can only do about 3-4 good pull ups so i did that with 3 forced reps with super slow negatives for 5 sets!!

pendlay rows
145x10
155x10 - brought the weight back down and focused more on form and pulling the bar higher more toward my sternum, gave me a better contraction
145x10
145x10
145x10

one arm DB row - really trying to pull in an arc and pull the DB as high as possible

80x12
85x12
90x10
90x12

seated leg curl - 5 sets 10-12 drop on last 2 sets

lying leg curl - 4 sets drop on last set

DB RDL - 70 lbs 4 sets 10-12 drop on last set

hammer strength pulldown ss hamer strength behind the head pulldown 4 sets 10-12 drop on last set of each

rev grip pulldown 4 sets 10-12


GI issues were minimal today....we will see tomorrow, lots of food today!

 

[mkretz]

tryin some B& Js chubby hubby

 

[TheSwanks]

back/hams today

wasnt feeling too great to start but as i warmed up more and more i was feelin good. soooooooooooo i decided to go for a pr in DL!

got it!, 455! not perfect form but i got it up haha, prolly had another 5 lbs in me

DL
315x5
315x5
315x5
335x5
345x5
355x5
225x15
225x15 rest 5 rest 5

pull ups - i can only do about 3-4 good pull ups so i did that with 3 forced reps with super slow negatives for 5 sets!!

pendlay rows
145x10
155x10 - brought the weight back down and focused more on form and pulling the bar higher more toward my sternum, gave me a better contraction
145x10
145x10
145x10

one arm DB row - really trying to pull in an arc and pull the DB as high as possible

80x12
85x12
90x10
90x12

seated leg curl - 5 sets 10-12 drop on last 2 sets

lying leg curl - 4 sets drop on last set

DB RDL - 70 lbs 4 sets 10-12 drop on last set

hammer strength pulldown ss hamer strength behind the head pulldown 4 sets 10-12 drop on last set of each

rev grip pulldown 4 sets 10-12

GI issues were minimal today....we will see tomorrow, lots of food today!

Nice pulls dude! Grats on the PR!!

 

[TheSwanks]

tryin some B& Js chubby hubby

A classic!

 

[mkretz]

Thanks man...yea. chubby hubby was good...so fatty though lol

 

[TheSwanks]

Thanks man...yea. chubby hubby was good...so fatty though lol

Lol all the best tasting stuff is

 

[mkretz]

pretty solid shoulder/biceps workout today

cleans
165x2x12

push press - split jerk
170x2x8 175x2x1 180x2x1

DB shoulder press
60x8
60x8
60x7+1 - had a spotter so def used him to my advantage
60x6+2
60x6+2 drop 35x as many + 3 forced drop 27.5 x as many + 3 forced - crazy pump!

leaning 1 arm cable laterals with forced reps

4 sets of 15, only got to about 6-8 on my own each set.....good stuff!!!

DB lateral raises 17.5lb 12-15 reps supersetted with smith high pulls 4 sets 10-15 double drop on last set

smith machine shrugs

235x10-12 4 sets double drop on last set

standing neutral grip shrug leaning forward - 4 sets 10-15

face pull 5 sets 10-12 ss bent over laterals with 10 lb plates for15 reps

barbell curl 5 sets 10-12 50 lb

dumbbell twist curl - 4 sets 10-12 25 lb - had a sick pump going

high cable curl 4 sets 10-15 drop on last 2 sets - lost my pump so i stopped



how do u go about stopping ur workout, just by what u have planned or if you lose a pump etc.

 

[TheSwanks]

pretty solid shoulder/biceps workout today

cleans
165x2x12

push press - split jerk
170x2x8 175x2x1 180x2x1

DB shoulder press
60x8
60x8
60x7+1 - had a spotter so def used him to my advantage
60x6+2
60x6+2 drop 35x as many + 3 forced drop 27.5 x as many + 3 forced - crazy pump!

leaning 1 arm cable laterals with forced reps

4 sets of 15, only got to about 6-8 on my own each set.....good stuff!!!

DB lateral raises 17.5lb 12-15 reps supersetted with smith high pulls 4 sets 10-15 double drop on last set

smith machine shrugs

235x10-12 4 sets double drop on last set

standing neutral grip shrug leaning forward - 4 sets 10-15

face pull 5 sets 10-12 ss bent over laterals with 10 lb plates for15 reps

barbell curl 5 sets 10-12 50 lb

dumbbell twist curl - 4 sets 10-12 25 lb - had a sick pump going

high cable curl 4 sets 10-15 drop on last 2 sets - lost my pump so i stopped

how do u go about stopping ur workout, just by what u have planned or if you lose a pump etc.

I usually go until I run out of time. Lol. But I'm usually on a very tight schedule

 

[mkretz]

Helps to keep the pace up which is nice

 

[mkretz]

planned on just doin chest/tris/ abs today but into my chest workout my buddy showed up and said he was doin legs (he never does legs, always finds an excuse) so i made sure he did some haha, focused on quads so ended up being chest/quads/tris

Incline DB Press
70x8
70x8
70x7
70x6
70x6
35x15
35x15

Dips
35x8
35x8
35x8
35x7 drop Bodyweight x as many
80 - 5 negatives
bodyweight x as many

hammer strenth flat press

4 sets 10-12 drop on last set

leg ext. 4 sets 15-20 double drop on last 2 sets

hack squat

4 sets constant tension working up to 180 for 12 with double drop on last 2 sets

front squat
115x10-15 constant tension, drop to 95 to failure on last set

Leg press
5 plates 15-20 4 sets drop 1 plate at a time to 1 plate on last set

cable fly 3 sets 10-15 with cross in the front........

Str8 bar pushdown 4 sets 10-12 drop on last set

DB overhead
60x12
60x12
65x10
65x10 drop 45 x as many

rev grip pressdown 4 sets 10-15 drop on last set

cable kickbacks 3 sets 10-15 per arm


I was super hot today for some reason and unfortunately super gassy still , hope its not the restore.

 

[TheSwanks]

planned on just doin chest/tris/ abs today but into my chest workout my buddy showed up and said he was doin legs (he never does legs, always finds an excuse) so i made sure he did some haha, focused on quads so ended up being chest/quads/tris

Incline DB Press
70x8
70x8
70x7
70x6
70x6
35x15
35x15

Dips
35x8
35x8
35x8
35x7 drop Bodyweight x as many
80 - 5 negatives
bodyweight x as many

hammer strenth flat press

4 sets 10-12 drop on last set

leg ext. 4 sets 15-20 double drop on last 2 sets

hack squat

4 sets constant tension working up to 180 for 12 with double drop on last 2 sets

front squat
115x10-15 constant tension, drop to 95 to failure on last set

Leg press
5 plates 15-20 4 sets drop 1 plate at a time to 1 plate on last set

cable fly 3 sets 10-15 with cross in the front........

Str8 bar pushdown 4 sets 10-12 drop on last set

DB overhead
60x12
60x12
65x10
65x10 drop 45 x as many

rev grip pressdown 4 sets 10-15 drop on last set

cable kickbacks 3 sets 10-15 per arm

I was super hot today for some reason and unfortunately super gassy still , hope its not the restore.

Lots of work getting done!! I can't imagine anything in Restore that would cause the gas issue but keep me updated

 

[pistol345]

Good work. Keep it up

 

[mkretz]

Thanks, yea its prolly all the damn food I eat right before bed

 

[mkretz]

Dead lift
worked up to 455x1
315x5
345x5
345x5
355x5
355x5
375x1x3
225x15

Speed low box squat with chains

165+chains 10x2

pendlay row
145x10x5

glute ham raise - from a pulldown station, using a pole to support myself
5x10

RDL
185x8
205x8
215x8
225x8
235x8
155x15

seated ham curl
5 sets 10-15 drop on last 2 sets

pull ups
5 sets of 8 - i can only get around 4 good pull ups the rest were all forced with controlled negative - bis were on fire - wish my back was

low cable row - 4 sets 10-12 drop on last 2 sets

rev grip pulldown 4 sets 8-10

Close grip pulldown 3 sets 10-12 drop on last set

low back ext 3 sets of 15 with 25 lb plate ( shouldve went harder on these for sure :-( )

 

[TheSwanks]

Dead lift
worked up to 455x1
315x5
345x5
345x5
355x5
355x5
375x1x3
225x15

Speed low box squat with chains

165+chains 10x2

pendlay row
145x10x5

glute ham raise - from a pulldown station, using a pole to support myself
5x10

RDL
185x8
205x8
215x8
225x8
235x8
155x15

seated ham curl
5 sets 10-15 drop on last 2 sets

pull ups
5 sets of 8 - i can only get around 4 good pull ups the rest were all forced with controlled negative - bis were on fire - wish my back was

low cable row - 4 sets 10-12 drop on last 2 sets

rev grip pulldown 4 sets 8-10

Close grip pulldown 3 sets 10-12 drop on last set

low back ext 3 sets of 15 with 25 lb plate ( shouldve went harder on these for sure :-( )

Nice pulls dude!

 

[mkretz]

Thanks brotha, we really gotta get together for a lift.... whe re u oift

 

[TheSwanks]

Thanks brotha, we really gotta get together for a lift.... whe re u oift

Home gym ftw!

 

[mkretz]

well maybe ill come by for a lift, its free that way lol btw...we are oficially friends!!! (FB) lol

 

[TheSwanks]

well maybe ill come by for a lift, its free that way lol btw...we are oficially friends!!! (FB) lol

Dude you're more than welcome to! Lol my house is a little out of the way though, all the way in Lakeview.

You know what they say, it didn't happen til its Facebook official

 

[mkretz]

shoulders/abs/bis

overhead press
105x8
105x8
105x8
105x6+2 (push press)
105x5+3 drop 85 drop 65 drop 45
65xas many
65x as many

speed bench with chains
125x3x10

seated db press
60x8
60x8
60x6+2 forced
60x6+2 forced drop 37.5+ 3 forced drop 27.5 +3 forced
37.5 x as many
37.5 x as many

DB lateral raise - these have gotten alot stronger the last couple weeks 20s feel like 15s

20x15
20x15
25x10+5
27.5x7+8 drop 17.5 drop 12.5
15x as many

smith high pull 4 sets 10-15, strict reps

facepull 5 sets 10-15

one arm rev cable fly 4 sets 10-15

ab giant sets
hanging knee raises
crunches
leg raises
v ups
cableside crunches

each for 25-30 reps , 4 sets

barbell curl
60lb - felt alot stronger on these
4 sets 10-12
drop on last set
1 burn set with 40 lb

hammer curl
4 sets of 10 - started together then alternating when fatigued....drop on last set

one arm rev preacher db curl - 4 sets 10-15 forced reps on right arm (alot weaker)

cable 21s - sets, 2 sets inner grip on ez bar, 2 sets outer grip

 

[mkretz]

unfortunately one thing i did notice today is tat my libido is def. lower since being on restore........ :-( my aromasin was probably stronger, but it didnt help my liver like restore so take the good with the bad i guess

 

[TheSwanks]

unfortunately one thing i did notice today is tat my libido is def. lower since being on restore........ :-( my aromasin was probably stronger, but it didnt help my liver like restore so take the good with the bad i guess

Any puffy nips or anything else related to high estro?

 

[mkretz]

see i swear, i always have puffy nips, is it worse, not sure..........


Some thing really weird did happen today however...... i was working up to a pretty heavy weight in front squat and when i would hold my breath to push on the way up i literally was super close to passing out 2 times so decided to stop. It was like the pressure was too much, but i wasnt even doing max weight, it was really scary, like my eyes were open but everything went white im really suprised i didnt pass out.

Because of this i was reluctant to go really heavy with front squats and squat so i really just went as hard as i could without a crazy amount of pressure in my head.

Front squat
145x8
155x8
165x8
165x8
165x8
115x as many
115x as many

Squat
185x10
185x10
195x10
205x8

Speed DL
245x2x10

Leg Press
6 plates 10-15
6 plates 10-15
6 plates 10-15
6 plates 10-15 drop one plate at a time to 1 plate

hack squat
140x10-12
140x10-12
140x10-12
140x10-12 drop on last set.................this really started to hurt my knee right above the knee cap the last 2 sets, not cool

a little note on the day as a whole, body just did not feel 100% u know what i mean, like i was there, but the intensity that i usually bring was lacking, kinda sux but o well, gave it what i had, and my hammys are pretty tight right now

bulgarian split squats
4 sets 8-10 then drop weight to 15 reps

1 leg leg ext
4 sets 10-12 double drop on last set with forced reps on each set - these really had a good pump goin

glute bridge - no pad so used alot less weight but did constant tension reps
normally do 315-335

today did 225 5 sets of 10-15

glute ham raise off of a lat pull down station - these are awsome!!!!

5 sets 10-12

lying leg curls
3 sets 10-15 drop on last set

1 leg kettleell RDL
4 sets of 10

wheel of death ss russian twist/mason twist with 25lb plate for 50 reps and then 50 reps with no weight - 4 sets

 

[Sean1332]

Do you think it's possible the you're due for a deload since your volume has always been so consistently high? That as well could affect your libido.

 

[celc5]

Id bet the nettle is what is bothering ur stomach. I never found a solution for me to suggest to u though.


Looking at the ingredient profile, i don't see anything that id expect to hurt libido

 

[TheSwanks]

see i swear, i always have puffy nips, is it worse, not sure..........

Some thing really weird did happen today however...... i was working up to a pretty heavy weight in front squat and when i would hold my breath to push on the way up i literally was super close to passing out 2 times so decided to stop. It was like the pressure was too much, but i wasnt even doing max weight, it was really scary, like my eyes were open but everything went white im really suprised i didnt pass out.

Because of this i was reluctant to go really heavy with front squats and squat so i really just went as hard as i could without a crazy amount of pressure in my head.

Front squat
145x8
155x8
165x8
165x8
165x8
115x as many
115x as many

Squat
185x10
185x10
195x10
205x8

Speed DL
245x2x10

Leg Press
6 plates 10-15
6 plates 10-15
6 plates 10-15
6 plates 10-15 drop one plate at a time to 1 plate

hack squat
140x10-12
140x10-12
140x10-12
140x10-12 drop on last set.................this really started to hurt my knee right above the knee cap the last 2 sets, not cool

a little note on the day as a whole, body just did not feel 100% u know what i mean, like i was there, but the intensity that i usually bring was lacking, kinda sux but o well, gave it what i had, and my hammys are pretty tight right now

bulgarian split squats
4 sets 8-10 then drop weight to 15 reps

1 leg leg ext
4 sets 10-12 double drop on last set with forced reps on each set - these really had a good pump goin

glute bridge - no pad so used alot less weight but did constant tension reps
normally do 315-335

today did 225 5 sets of 10-15

glute ham raise off of a lat pull down station - these are awsome!!!!

5 sets 10-12

lying leg curls
3 sets 10-15 drop on last set

1 leg kettleell RDL
4 sets of 10

wheel of death ss russian twist/mason twist with 25lb plate for 50 reps and then 50 reps with no weight - 4 sets

Could be hypoglycemia if you're really low carbing. It can really effect vision and blood pressure

 

[TheSwanks]

Do you think it's possible the you're due for a deload since your volume has always been so consistently high? That as well could affect your libido.

This could be, but less likely in your case since you're on trt. Overtraining can cause T shutdown, but that wouldn't matter to you if you're on trt. It can also cause CNS fatigue which will cause allllll kinda weird crap. Have you noticed having any random twitches as you're falling asleep at night? That can be a sign of CNS fatigue.

Looking at the ingredient profile, i don't see anything that id expect to hurt libido

This^^^ nothing in there would be expected to do anything negative

 

[TheSwanks]

Regardless keep me in the loop on any issues at all

 

[mkretz]

yes.....probably whati need, i have cut out all the crazycardio i was doing....still plan to run sprints when feeling fresh

 

[mkretz]

normally i workout fasted and today i didnt, and yest was really high carb, so i dout that was the issue