Sounds like this stuff is working out for you, keep killing it Chef.
Chef - I have been adding agm & cit mal to a pwo equals super charged.
Notice any difference with ?
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these are harder to figure out than anything I have done before (not that I am a veteran ) I just react to things that bother me or work for me. I have had problems with pre workout being over stimulated , stomach issues with something that sort of thing. and then there are some supps that you can really tell they are working. I don't really feel anything from these i.e. energy, super pumps, euphora, but they don't claim to do that either so like I said it is hard to figure out. Now I have a preworkout on hand but Bio Cor doesn't want me taking it along with their supps because of similar ingredients and I will skew the overall review and results, so I have done so. I haven't looked into a preworkout because I really didn't want to spend the time ore money looking for one that doesn't have these ingredients. if you know of one without a super stimulate and Bio Cor agrees let me know and I will try it out. I definitely miss the super pump I used to get from the ones I have used. I always felt like I had accomplished something after a workout with the vascularity and swole feeling. I have only got that a couple of times on this. but like I said they don't claim to do that so I 'm not expecting it anyway.
I could easily have you take another companies pre-workout formula and you probably would get better results overall simply because you are adding "more" of everything. It would look great for us, but it simply isn't accurate in gauging the effectiveness of either. I could easily sell you a bottle of caffeine, tell you to take it pre-workout with everything and you will "feel" something, but that simply is not what I wanted. Bottom line is these products will work, over the long run, and they won't over "stimulate" you. Some people like that, other's do not. There are plenty of products out there that will produce as good if not better results, but they usually come at a greater cost. How much better? 1%? 3%? 5%? We don't know. We simply like to see what people can get out of the staples for probably half the price. If you want all-in-one formula's there are great products by great companies here. Its also fun to experiment with new products. I'm as curious as the next guy!
I agree. yeah with most pwo's its loaded with caffeine and I can get that from a amp if I want that. don't get my statement wrong I am enjoying these .trying to figure out what is happening is cool for me . I was just explaining to double what my situation was with the mix up at the start. I want to see what happens with these alone . I think you guys got it right at not adding anything with the same or similar ingredients you don't know what you are getting form what. its like taking two prohormones that are identical at the same time!
rocked out a chest routine today short but sweet got done what I came to do.
warm up -bar for 15 for 2 sets
flat bench on smith machine
incline dumbbell press
30 warm up
12.5 resistance for 15
all to failure
20 for 20
30 for 10
40 for 6
40 to failure around 16
I know this isn't that heavy but its not the weight I'm interested in in the results and my chest and arms were trash after this.
nothing tomorrow going to rest my forearm and body . lay around and work on the tan. I'll probably get back again on Sunday ,didn't get to hit it this week except for pull-ups and deadlifts at home. didn't get to take my supps until I got home was in such a rush after work. got them in my drink now chug a lugging!
the best pump i ever had in my entire life was when my carrier would be leaving dock for a cruise. when those lines were dropped in the water we had to pull those wet lines up far enough to attach to the wench....took about 10-15 minutes. the constant steady pulling made it feel like hours. my arms felt like rubber afterwards, couldn't even lift them, lol. of course we had 4 man teams doing each line, and of course everyone didn't pull their weight!!! me and a guy i lifted with took on the brunt of it, but damn what a workout!!!
slow and steady, chef!!!
got some back done in the basement before dinner tonight. not much weight down there so I did as much volume to cover it.
85 for 5 sets of 15
one arm rows same bar
4 sets 20
4 sets to failure 120
close grip pulldown
4 sets to failure 120
pullups 1set failure around 10 my forearm gave out.
ez bar curls
45 -4 sets of 15
45-4 sets of 10
1 set each arm to failure to finish
crazy pump tonight and vascularity is back at least in the forearms. my bis are so full couldn't see anything big except the large one running across my elbow crease. pretty cool!
finished with two sets of ab exercises I saw on sixpackshortcuts.com on you tube
don't have a clue what the names are but if you look it up it is the 30 second workout. you do 3 sets of 30 medicine ball leg lifts, raised leg crunches, and shoulder presses, where you lift your legs over your head until you are on your shoulder blades. pretty intense. mike Chang knows how to get the abs out for sure. don't know what I will be able tomorrow a lot going on with the kids again so we shall see. rest and grow boys!
Watching and learning. Way to go brother.
got in shoulders and back tonight really loaded it down on the upper body. did all I could as fast as I could. took about 50 minutes and I never really got winded during the entire workout. so I had two scoops citrulline this time, divamax and a heaping scoop of creatine just to shake it up some. Never got the jitters or nervousness, felt focused and on point. hada mission and accomplished it. came to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I was all out of BUBBLEGUM!
No really, it was a good one for me, not to heavy but I got what I came for.
wg lat pull downs
100 for 20 warm up, 120,140,150 -15,10,9 reps
superset with close grip seated rows
120,140,160 for 10 reps each
super set with pull-ups
4sets to failure bodyweight
one arm row machine
60,80,95 10 reps each arm to failure on the last one got about 14 .i'll increase weight next time.got a good pump in the lats though.
incline dumbbell rows
40 for 3 sets of 8
smith machine overhead press
95-10, 115-10, 135-15
20,25,25 10 reps each exact form(tea kettles)
incline rear delt flyes
25 for three sets 15 each
and added 4 sets wrist roller at 10lbs blew my forearms up. really good pump. back and shoulders tight and full. great focus tonight , really had the workout in my sights. most focused one I have had in a long time really in the zone. I also did three sets leg raises on the tower of power. I have noticed since being home I have added a couple of lbs in the wrong place ...my belly. that's what I get hanging out with the kids. even though I have been training regular the meals I have had time to prepare for are getting bigger and more complex. I have been experimenting with dishes we will be serving on our menus in the fall semester, the family has had a treat. it is usually chicken nuggets , popcorn shrimp on the busy nights and maybe a homemade meal or two. I figure even though I cook light the amount I prepare is like going to grandmas on sunday. I have enjoed my time with the kids but I need to get back to my routine of drinking more water than I am now. ok so long story long I need to add some cardio this week for sure. bioCor in rocking me right now good stuff guys .
Looks like workout volume is great! Nice job. Am i reading into this post that diet is not good or can be improved? I find it is hard to keep on track when cooking for kids or being around them. They are food machines! Lol. Are you using any program to track macros on your smartphone? This helps to see when you are veering off course.
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lol...i have heard heard that 6-9 gms cit mal is great for sex, going to have to give that a try!!!
don't know about that too dame tired to try!lol!