I am not a pre-workout person I mostly stick with ECA stack or the like for my energy, but I have to sayfelt good not over stimmed. Also I got a great pump from . I have to say out of all the pre-workouts I have tried the flavor of the crips apple was the best pre I have ever had by far no one has come close!!!
so I would rate it vs other pre workouts as
Energy 8 >note:I have a script for ADHD meds so this rating might be low for some and this might be rather strong stim.
pump 8 > I am only comparing this to other pre workouts I have tried.