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    GETTING BACK IN IT! NATTY TRANSFORMATION! long-term log


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    I'm new to these forums, but have already found great advice and information. Spent hours on here trying to plan ahead as best I could to reach the goals I'm after. Nothing does it better then Arnold's Pumping Iron video! Just as a background, I'm a little more than 5'7" and about 157 pounds. I have never been over 140 in my life until 2 years ago once I started working out on and off. I find myself working out for a solid 6 months and then something comes up and for some reason I stop. Well this is the last time I'm stopping, and making this log is my way of helping with that. My main goal is to lose my body fat (though it isn't much just love handles, but i hate ANY) and to completely transform my body by drastically increasing LBM. I'm starting this log and have before pictures but I'm not continuing my log until i've been in the gym for a week or two, nothing worse then the horrible workouts after not working out for months. I'm starting off slow and not soo many supplements but a few, mostly concentrating on my eating with carbs protein and fat intake...but not necessarily counting carbs if you know what i mean. Once I get to where I want to start the log whether its a couple days or a week, i will be posting every other day with updates on how i'm feeling, my progression, workouts and a few other things. I am currently taking a few natty supps such as igf-2 and neovar. I have felt great on igf-2 so wanted to try out a few other of AN products for a few weeks to see how they effect me. I don't know if its normal but I feel like I see changes a lot quicker than normal. I haven't worked out in forever but I have a decent base to start off with and I'm very concentrated when I workout which I think is important. I don't think it'll be very log that you will start to notice how my body is starting to change. Since I'm so skinny I tend to get ripped even when dirty bulking so this should be fun now on a lean bulk. I have trying out a few samples during the next couple weeks from AN to see if I will be using any other of their products.. but for now its just the staples and the igf-2 and FOOD.

    I will also be logging multiple products as the log goes on, finding out what works for me. If it helps I'll keep it, if not then on to the next one.

    I will have pics up in a few days, hopefully can start this log soon. COME SUPPORT and watch as I transform!

    any questions you have for me or ideas, please it is welcome, whether its advice or criticism.


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    Sub'd bro! Hows your caloric intake? Let us know if you have any questions about our supplements.

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    Hey obey I'm at about 2800 to 3000 right now..normally eating im at around 2300-2500 so i figured i'd just add an extra 500..
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    Alright girlfriends kid got beat up last night so couldnt make it to the gym with the hospital and police trip, so gunna be going to tonight instead.. I'm still sore from the past two workouts, always end up going way too hard for my first few days back..Still getting past the sore stage but will be doing shoulders and back probably doing supersets to get some pump since i lost all of my damn strength being a vagina and not working out for 6 months lol..

    so far this is how i've been taking the igf-2 and neovar
    ifg-2 - 3 caps twice daily crack-a-dawn and right before i pass out
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    days off - 3 before lunch and 3 before dinner
    workout days - 3 before lunch, 3 pwo, and 3 post work out right before dinner

    read a lot about those two supps so believe i'm dosing them right...

    Feeling really good out fo the gym but that is mostly do to the tightness and soreness since i haven't worked out in so long. Once i get past the sore phase I'll advise on muscle tightness and fullness

    Sleep has been awesome which is the biggest plus for me cuz i just don't sleep...as soon as I starting taking igf-2 i've been sleeping like a baby.

    Lost a couple pounds in the past few days and can feel it right around my love handles...eating right is already making its changes in my body as i've only worked out twice, maybe because of the neovar doing its job with carbs and nutrient repartitioner..

    All in all feeling great and waiting on some samples that should be in today or tomorrow thanks to Obey46 and applied nutriceuticals! can't wait to give them a go. Please leave any comments on anything else i should be posting about.

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    Yikes sorry to hear about your gf's kid. Hope your gf and her kid is alright.Your dosing seems to be right. Though it might be early, have you been noticing any pumps via Neovar? You might be able to get away w/ 4 caps each day, but I'd see how 6 goes for you first.

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    Ive been seeing minimal pumps nothing crazy..gunna try uncut pwo and see how that goes only been a werk on neovar deff still have some work to do..feel great in thr gum though just need better mind muscle concentration..should be getting my samples tom!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    You tried to hide from me, but I found you. Now you can't get rid of me!
    haha oh no what have i done!..i can't add links or PM yet..i guess im too knew pshhh but glad to have you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obey46 View Post
    Yikes sorry to hear about your gf's kid. Hope your gf and her kid is alright.Your dosing seems to be right. Though it might be early, have you been noticing any pumps via Neovar? You might be able to get away w/ 4 caps each day, but I'd see how 6 goes for you first.
    I read up a lot on NEOVAR and all the dosing rosie had all over the forumns. Just went off of that and based on reading up on creatine and how much to take it just seemed like not enough to take just 4 caps at 646 mg of creatine.. thats only 2.58 i believe. I still don't think that is enough creatine to see extreme gains but I'm not gunna over do it now as even taking nothing will give me a gain because I haven't worked out in so long lol..

    Did back/shoulders last night..felt soooo good.. my first two workouts were so crappy because i was just starting, but i was doing pretty much the same weight i was doing when i use to workout which is great!. felt a nice pump in my lats and traps...i think my traps are the only thing that stayed with me this whole time not working out way bigger when comparing muscle groups and symmetry :/ but now i know i don't have to work those as much

    Mind muscle connection was a lot better last night. I felt strong unlike my previous workouts. Also this morning my whole upper body feels a lot firmer and fuller. Must be the NEOVAR doing its job .. Can't wait to have a good chest day!

    Edit: at work and saw my veins popping out crazy..vascularity setting inn
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    Quote Originally Posted by determinator View Post
    I read up a lot on NEOVAR and all the dosing rosie had all over the forumns. Just went off of that and based on reading up on creatine and how much to take it just seemed like not enough to take just 4 caps at 646 mg of creatine.. thats only 2.58 i believe. I still don't think that is enough creatine to see extreme gains but I'm not gunna over do it now as even taking nothing will give me a gain because I haven't worked out in so long lol..Did back/shoulders last night..felt soooo good.. my first two workouts were so crappy because i was just starting, but i was doing pretty much the same weight i was doing when i use to workout which is great!. felt a nice pump in my lats and traps...i think my traps are the only thing that stayed with me this whole time not working out way bigger when comparing muscle groups and symmetry :/ but now i know i don't have to work those as muchMind muscle connection was a lot better last night. I felt strong unlike my previous workouts. Also this morning my whole upper body feels a lot firmer and fuller. Must be the NEOVAR doing its job .. Can't wait to have a good chest day!Edit: at work and saw my veins popping out crazy..vascularity setting inn
    Wow! Kicking in already? Pretty impressive. If I can remember what I wrote in my Neovar log last summer, I believe I wrote something about getting pumps from folding the laundry. lol That anabolic laundry workout. Solid workout last night. MMC is the best and better than just going through the motions from what I see at the gym from some people :T

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    You tried to hide from me, but I found you. Now you can't get rid of me!
    Dewey I have a question for rms..is there anyway he could answer a scientific question for me? I cant pm too new..let me knoe..jusg something my girlfriend wants to know

    My girlfriend is pregnant..we got pregnant before I was taking any supplements..now she is uncomfortable with all the supplements I want take if, to be a little graphic lol, I would be going in her while shes pregnsnt..she thinks it will harm her and/or the baby..I tried calming her mind but I think I need someone that knows the scientifics behind natty supps to let me know everything's alright
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    Quote Originally Posted by determinator View Post
    Dewey I have a question for rms..is there anyway he could answer a scientific question for me? I cant pm too new..let me knoe..jusg something my girlfriend wants to know

    My girlfriend is pregnant..we got pregnant before I was taking any supplements..now she is uncomfortable with all the supplements I want take if, to be a little graphic lol, I would be going in her while shes pregnsnt..she thinks it will harm her and/or the baby..I tried calming her mind but I think I need someone that knows the scientifics behind natty supps to let me know everything's alright
    I'll forward this to Dirk.

    I'm pretty sure any kind of supplements won't alter your DNA thus affecting your seed. However, it may possibly enhance or reduce the sperm count.

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    Thanks man ill await his answer..chest tom!
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    A Great start in here, just a note at your bodyweight there is really no need to be dropping that much Neovar IMO. I use 5 daily with my biggest carb meal. Keep it up young man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AppNutJeff View Post
    A Great start in here, just a note at your bodyweight there is really no need to be dropping that much Neovar IMO. I use 5 daily with my biggest carb meal. Keep it up young man.
    Really? i was just going off the what the bottle said 6 daily over 150..though im not much over 150..just doesn't seem like enough creatine at 4 a day as thats only about 2.5 g's...i mist be reading too much on the internet lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by determinator View Post
    Dewey I have a question for rms..is there anyway he could answer a scientific question for me? I cant pm too new..let me knoe..jusg something my girlfriend wants to know

    My girlfriend is pregnant..we got pregnant before I was taking any supplements..now she is uncomfortable with all the supplements I want take if, to be a little graphic lol, I would be going in her while shes pregnsnt..she thinks it will harm her and/or the baby..I tried calming her mind but I think I need someone that knows the scientifics behind natty supps to let me know everything's alright
    Good question- my wife just had our first child- she is 4 months old today; that being said, I can't really give you a good answer yes or no- only some broad guidelines. There are quite a few substances that can be passed through the urinary tract and can "tag along" with semen, including some urinary metabolites that could be present that you may not necessarily want entering your gf's body. Anything that enters her body and into her bloodstream will have some effect on the fetus, positive or negative; Natty supplements like Neovar and IGF-2 should be ok- and some of the components have even been shown to improve sperm quality, but something like FT, I wouldn't risk it; ditto that for DHEA, AAS, or any PHs.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    Good question- my wife just had our first child- she is 4 months old today; that being said, I can't really give you a good answer yes or no- only some broad guidelines. There are quite a few substances that can be passed through the urinary tract and can "tag along" with semen, including some urinary metabolites that could be present that you may not necessarily want entering your gf's body. Anything that enters her body and into her bloodstream will have some effect on the fetus, positive or negative; Natty supplements like Neovar and IGF-2 should be ok- and some of the components have even been shown to improve sperm quality, but something like FT, I wouldn't risk it; ditto that for DHEA, AAS, or any PHs.....
    I appreciate your reply as it is much appreciated...I do not plan on doing any of the latter..my goal is build my physique naturally with a little help from supps when needed right now it is only igf-2 and neovar, but at some poitn i would like to do a cycle of anabeta and erase added into the mix..would products such as those be alright as well? Im not at that point yet but might as well ask before i start trying other natty supps..is it safe to say as long as i dont go the ph or stronger route that we would technically be fine as the only products ill ever use are for creatine and increasing gh and test levels? Keep in mind that i am not asking you to sign your name for your opinion, just realize you know the compounds in these products and how they work with the body better than i will ever.

    thanks again dirk
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    the maintenance dose for a 200 lb. male is about three grams a day, and considering you get some from real food ( yup it's true ) hitting 2 1/2 grams a day is more than enough for you to maintain your saturation point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AppNutJeff View Post
    the maintenance dose for a 200 lb. male is about three grams a day, and considering you get some from real food ( yup it's true ) hitting 2 1/2 grams a day is more than enough for you to maintain your saturation point.
    Thanks for the info ..itll deff last longer! Do u think I should dose the igf2 lower too? Current take 6 a day as well
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