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    Hey guys , some of you may remember me from a few logs I have done. I believe the last log I did was this same stack, early spring?
    Anyway, a big thanks to the guys at PES for making it possible.
    Current stats are 5'8", roughly 195-200 lb.. The last time I got my bf checked was around a month ago and on a ****ty hand held electronic thing, was 13.8%. (my weight fluctuates by about five to eight pounds during the week due to the fact that I work three twelves during the weekend in a lab and both my hunger and ability to eat are lower than during the week on training days.)
    I'm going to weigh myself tomorrow morning before breakfast see where in at and I will take pictures for before and after as well. when I go to my secondary gym Wednesday I'll try to find the electronic meter as well.
    i'm planning on running this for six to eight Weeks at six abe daily and two maybe three ep, possibly adding in some daa.
    Current supplements are just staples: creatine, whey brotein, aminos, and beta alanine.
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    I am doing a self made mountain dog program, with the goal being lean muscle gain as well as strength.

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    I don't really count macros I just know what i'm getting and I try to keep it consistent most days..
    I usually have between two and four cheats during the week on big training days, to make up for/ take advantage of being depleted and insulin sensitive from low carbs and low cals for three days straight fri, sat, sun.
    This is not my final log this is just a daily / weekly log for me to update/ collect my thoughts and experiences throughout this stack.
    I did not plan to write out my training daily but if your curious I can give you the basics.
    I will note if I am feeling stronger, etc however

    Well I think that's everything thanks for following.. Any questions just ask.
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    I wouldn't take 2-3 caps of EP..1 should be plenty. Otherwise good luck!

    Have you done any of the mountain dog training before? Seems to be picking up steam lately..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I wouldn't take 2-3 caps of EP..1 should be plenty. Otherwise good luck!

    Have you done any of the mountain dog training before? Seems to be picking up steam lately..
    Yeah honestly I was kind of thinking that would be allot together.
    I really do appreciate the input bolt!
    I have done the program twice I just kinda winged it on my own. this will be the third.
    Maybe I'll get John to write me a program some time.. Would be awesome.
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    Some people get good results with as little as 1 eod on erase pro so 2-3 would be overkill for sure. It would give me trouble with my joints dosed that high. I get very good results with 1 cap a day.

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    My apologies guys.. I was thinking about erase when I posted this, not erase pro!!
    I agree completely about the dosing and I will definitely be doing 1ed or eod
    Now I realize why both of you commented that
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    Subbed. Good luck, if you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni
    My apologies guys.. I was thinking about erase when I posted this, not erase pro!!
    I agree completely about the dosing and I will definitely be doing 1ed or eod
    Now I realize why both of you commented that
    That makes more sense!
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    Well thanks for following guys, still waiting on the package
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    Anyways fellas I weighed in on my scale at home. It's not a digital it has a needle which obviously isn't as easy to read. It said 197lb. That was before breakfast.
    last night my brother and I went shopping, ended up going crazy. We each ate a box of Mac n cheese, about a 10-12 Oz burger with cheese in the middle, some meat lover pizza, and two bowls of pb crunch cereal, one with whole milk the other with 1% chocolate milk withabout two tbsp of peanut butter stirred in.
    Honestly I was only UN comfortable for a few minutes I probably could have ate more. I wasn't that hungry but I just kinda ate allot.
    I went to the gym, trained arms. the carbs and calories from last night made me nice and big. One thing I did notice is the addition of dairy definitely adds a layer of water over my skin, boats my stomach, and is making me break out.. Oh well, as the Hodge twins aka tmw would say, "dem gains right dere man"
    after training arms I used an electronic hand held device (which I know isn't that accurate but that's what I have available) which said my bf was 13.8%. I didn't get pics this morning I forgot. I took a few after training arms though.
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    Also sorry to triple post but I got my package today, its missing my abe though so I'll wait for it to get here before I start
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni
    Also sorry to triple post but I got my package today, its missing my abe though so I'll wait for it to get here before I start
    Sweet! Looking forward to this log.
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    Guys I have an honest question.. Can you get Gyno from drinking milk? I never used to drink it and I just added it into my diet within the last month.. I was noticing today my nipple was itchy and tender..

    Mind you i've never taken ph or aas or anything like that
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    Subbd brodizzle!!

    I have no idea on the milk/gunk issue!

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    Yeah man I have no lumps.. but the whole sensitive nipple thing freaked me out.
    Anyone here have this experience after adding dairy heavily into diet after about a month? I've been drinking roughly a liter of 1% chocolate milk daily

    .. Edit: I might just cut the dairy out completely but that'd be a damn shame I've come to love fancy cheeses
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    day one 1/27

    So I couldn't wait.. I had a bottle of abe lying around and I decided to start today.

    Took two abe one ep with breakfast.

    Has anyone here ran Abe at six ed?
    If so how did you dose, two caps three times daily?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    day one 1/27

    So I couldn't wait.. I had a bottle of abe lying around and I decided to start today.

    Took two abe one ep with breakfast.

    Has anyone here ran Abe at six ed?
    If so how did you dose, two caps three times daily?
    Too hard to have it and not start! I've ventured to 2 pills 3 times a day before with good results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post

    Too hard to have it and not start! I've ventured to 2 pills 3 times a day before with good results.
    Thank you for the quick response ltl. I've done Abe at four ed. Figured I'd see how six goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni

    Thank you for the quick response ltl. I've done Abe at four ed. Figured I'd see how six goes.
    No problem at all bud. I really enjoy a dose right before bed, wake up lean and vascular. That's always a good way to start the day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post

    Thank you for the quick response ltl. I've done Abe at four ed. Figured I'd see how six goes.
    I've gone with 4 and 6. I just stick to 4 a day.... longer runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne

    I've gone with 4 and 6. I just stick to 4 a day.... longer runs.
    I didn't notice a huge difference with the jump but I only ran it at 6/day for the last few weeks of an 8 week run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post

    I didn't notice a huge difference with the jump but I only ran it at 6/day for the last few weeks of an 8 week run.
    I didn't notice much of a difference either at 6. 4 is where its at .

    I only ran 6 for like 2 weeks to see if there were any noticeable effects.
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    I'd stick to 4 per day



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    Four it is
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    Ok SO I started the stack yesterday, 1/27..
    Yesterday I noted I was much more thirsty than usual early in the day.
    Noticed my hunger wasn't insane, but definitely increased. I was hungry much sooner than usual at work..

    day two of the stack..everything is going well. Woke up looking dryer already. I love Abe/ep..
    I trained some legs today, took my last sample of enhanced beforehand.

    Front squats ss extensions
    Ghr ss ham curls
    Standing calves

    I got a really sick pump but I think it was more so from the enhanced, I don't remember getting insane pumps on day two.

    Also I am going to add In some intimidate tonight. one bottle
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    Ok well not to much to report, training is going really well. Again on the milk note I do notice a small pea sized lump and my nipples do look puffy..
    it's pretty hard to tell and i'm probably making it out to be worse than it is
    Pretty upset to think drinking tons of milk would do this. Beware bros I know it's good cheap calories but it's not worth the gamble.. I hear they shoot cows full of estrogen to keep them milking year round.
    Anyways I am definitely not using daa as I've heard it has given others flare UPS in gyno..
    I've used it twice before and never had any problems but I don't think i'm willing to risk it..

    fortunately it's day two of erase pro and Anabeta elite.. Looking full, but that's probably from all the food I've been eating
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    Cutting out all dairy..

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    Day four, trained some arms.
    Got a pretty sick pump.. Arms were looking nice and beefy. Hunger and thirst are normal. Looking a little dry considering how bad I've been eating.. Nipples are much less puffy looking than yesterday, erase pro is doing the trick..
    honestly when my friend claimed I'd get gyno from drinking milk I didn't believe him, I thought he was an idiot.. I wish I would have listened to the kid now..
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    Subbed...running this in a couple months
    Thanks for joining brother!
    Day five, trained some back today,.. More of a Meadows style, got a nice solid pump.
    Felt pretty strong on most movements, feeling good.

    DOMS has been above average this week.
    Thirst and hunger are about average. Not much to mention other than i'm slightly drier than normal
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni

    Thanks for joining brother!
    Day five, trained some back today,.. More of a Meadows style, got a nice solid pump.
    Felt pretty strong on most movements, feeling good.

    DOMS has been above average this week.
    Thirst and hunger are about average. Not much to mention other than i'm slightly drier than normal
    Keep it up brutha
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post

    Keep it up brutha
    Thanks man. I'm looking allot leaner since I've started this stack and cut out dairy.. Weight was the same yesterday, 199, but abs were much visibly sharper
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni

    Thanks man. I'm looking allot leaner since I've started this stack and cut out dairy.. Weight was the same yesterday, 199, but abs were much visibly sharper
    That awesome, I've cut a lot of dairy out and basically eliminated any bloat I ever got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post

    That awesome, I've cut a lot of dairy out and basically eliminated any bloat I ever got.
    It just sucks man cause dairy is an easy way to get calorie dense foods but milk gave me ****ing gyno, so I had to stop drinking it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post

    It just sucks man cause dairy is an easy way to get calorie dense foods but milk gave me ****ing gyno, so I had to stop drinking it..
    I love milk... sucks man. But when I cut... I cut out dairy sad time
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    I love milk... sucks man. But when I cut... I cut out dairy sad time
    Oh I agree for sure but chocolate milk is pretty baller for bulking. how much do you consume daily and i'm assuming you don't get issues from milk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post

    Oh I agree for sure but chocolate milk is pretty baller for bulking. how much do you consume daily and i'm assuming you don't get issues from milk?
    Dairy resources: milk, Greek tpgurr, cottage cheese, and cheese. Main resources is milk. I couldn't tell you exact amount but when I cut dairy out a noticeable difference is present
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    So I did the usual low carb day Friday. Saturday I did an even lower day, not on purpose but I forgot my potatoes for work..
    Woke up REALLY dry this morning at 193.. splits in my quads and lines in my legs I haven't seen for almost ten pounds ago

    Also my one knee that has been bothering me from front squats feels a little worse than normal.. Might be too dry. We'll see when my dIet changes Monday
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    So I did the usual low carb day Friday. Saturday I did an even lower day, not on purpose but I forgot my potatoes for work..
    Woke up REALLY dry this morning at 193.. splits in my quads and lines in my legs I haven't seen for almost ten pounds ago

    Also my one knee that has been bothering me from front squats feels a little worse than normal.. Might be too dry. We'll see when my dIet changes Monday
    Good update ace! It feels good to see that separation in the quads. Are you using any joint support? Something like super cissus will definitely help with the joint pain some get from EPRO.
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