Maximizing TRT w/ 5-ALPHA TEST. (SPONSORED)

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  1. Maximizing TRT w/ 5-ALPHA TEST. (SPONSORED)


    Product:

    5-ALPHA TEST
    by Forerunner Labs

    Goal:

    FAT LOSS,
    water weight obliteration, muscle maintenance.

    5-Alpha Test
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    Recommended Use:As a dietary supplement, take 3 tabs per day - orally, hold for 30 seconds, then swallow. Use in divided doses throughout the day.
    Features

    • Increased Strength
    • Heightened Energy In The Gym!


    Alrighty boys, here's the quick rundown of how we got to where we're at, and where we're going.

    My entire life I've suffered from Hypopituitarism, Hypogonadism, Hypothyroidism, and Growth Hormone Deficiency. I've been on TRT and Thyroid replacement for about a year, and it has been life changing. My stats went from 160 at 23% BF -> 195 at 16% BF with a hell of a lot of work, seriously on the grind non-stop. That being said, there have been drawbacks, ever since starting the TRT I have suffered from some pretty intense bloat regardless of dietary changes and cardio manipulation. We're talking moon-face status. My first guess was out-of-control estrogen, so after much debate I've been able to convince my Endo to agree to change my TRT routine from 200mg once every two weeks to 100mg every week, and when that only had a minimal benefit, he even agreed to do a trial run of anastrozole at 1mg everyday. The anastrozole had a minimal benefit, so I had him test my DHT which came in at below normal. At this point he's taken a hands-off stance regardless of all the evidence I bring him on the necessity of a positive DHT:estrogen ratio (scared of getting sued for potential prostate issues etc.). To be honest I'm surprised I've been able to get this far with him, but it's time to try some alternate routes of therapy.

    This is where 5-ALPHA TEST comes into play. Theoretically, if I supplement my hormone replacement therapy with a DHT precursor like that of 5-ALPHA TEST, my DHT - estrogen ratio will slide into a more beneficial scale, and combat estrogen-related side effects such as moon-face bloat.
    Beyond all that, being out of town for an accumulative 5 weeks over the summer visiting sick family (when it rains it pours) was real hard on the waist-line and recent strength gains, leaving me at a 36" waist from 32" pre-travel.

    This is not ok by any means, so I've decided to skip my planned winter bulk and just recomp until next Fall, this being the starting point.

    Here's the plan of attack:

    5-ALPHA TEST @3 tabs/day (1-2 months depending on how the dosing evolves over the run)
    + calorie deficit (1500-2000/day)
    + intermittent fasting (12-8 or 10-6 depending on day of week)
    + 3x/week strength training
    + 2-4x/week fasted HIIT cardio
    = serious shred potential!

    Starting point stats:

    weight: 188.4 lbs @5'8"
    DB bench press: 95's x 7
    Wide lat-pulldown: 190 x 4
    Leg press:720 x 10

    Starting point pics:

    Pre summer travel (July):
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    Today (Oct. 6):
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    End of the run:
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    LET'S DO IT.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.


  2. sry bro, youre a little bit over 16% bf. but on the good side, once you get down to the 12 and below, you are gonna have some sickass guns in your arms. good job with the motivation btw, i hope your cycle treats you well
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  3. Haha, oh yeah I'm way above 16%. I don't know the exact # at the moment but I'll have it taken at the doc's next week. I was @ 16 back in July.

    Thanks for the encouragement and for following!
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  4. gonna follow along and see how it goes....kinda surprised you didn't have better results with anastrozole at 1mg, a lot of guys see good results with just .5...no matter, 5-alpha is interesting to me because it is non-methyl.

    good luck!!!
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  5. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt
    gonna follow along and see how it goes....kinda surprised you didn't have better results with anastrozole at 1mg, a lot of guys see good results with just .5...no matter, 5-alpha is interesting to me because it is non-methyl.

    good luck!!!
    Yeah you're telling me man! I guess it's just an example of how there's no cookie cutter solution for everyone.

    The liver-friendly aspect of the compound is definitely a plus. If this goes well, I may end up running it periodically throughout the year.

    Thanks for the support! I'll try to make it worth while.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball View Post
    Yeah you're telling me man! I guess it's just an example of how there's no cookie cutter solution for everyone.

    The liver-friendly aspect of the compound is definitely a plus. If this goes well, I may end up running it periodically throughout the year.

    Thanks for the support! I'll try to make it worth while.
    so far, so good!!
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  7. Good luck with your log; I'll be starting my Alpha Mass log next week. I've probably never been more pissed about the fact that the mail isn't delivered on Sundays, LOL. Hoping the package will get here Monday/Tuesday.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider
    Good luck with your log; I'll be starting my Alpha Mass log next week. I've probably never been more pissed about the fact that the mail isn't delivered on Sundays, LOL. Hoping the package will get here Monday/Tuesday.
    Ooph, big bummer. Best of luck to you too man.
    I gotta say, if Alpha Mass is anything like 5-Alpha Test, it'll be worth the wait. I'm going to post up a review of the initial effects tomorrow.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  9. 5-alpha = dht

    alpha mass = 1-dhea

    little bit different, i think edge is to alpha mass lol

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    5-alpha = dht
    alpha mass = 1-dhea
    little bit different, i think edge is to alpha mass lol
    Totally, the compounds have quite different effects being that the target hormones are dihydrotestosterone for 5-Alpha Test and 1-testosterone for Alpha Mass. I was referring more to the effectiveness of each compound.

    Although, if we're playing the 'I gotcha' game, 5-Alpha is not dht. The active in 5-Alpha Test is actually epiandrosterone, which I believe requires a 2-step enzymatic conversion to dht.

    And since we're on topic, a quick review of my experience of the first day on
    5-Alpha Test.

    Mental:
    -First mental effects felt ~20 minutes after first dose. STRONG stimulatory effect that lasted about a half hour before dipping into a mellow lethargy. Placebo? Maybe, we'll see how this changes throughout the run. The same mental stimulation was felt after the next two doses, to a lesser degree.

    -I have felt slightly anxious after each dose so far, lasting about an hour tops.

    Physical:
    -a mild warming of skin, accompanied by some flushing. Similar to a niacin flush.

    First lifting day is Tuesday, it'll be chest, the first day I try to break my DB bench record of 95's x 7. Wish me luck!
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  11. 95x7...you going for more weight or more reps?
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  12. I'm in for the ride buddy
    Black Lion Representative
    I'm a Brooklyn boy I may take some gettin' use to

  13. subbed. Really interested in this stuff.
    Here is my loghttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216779-bigguy-vs-wilpit.htmlhttp://supplementreviews.com/users/mhseaver670/reviews

  14. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt
    95x7...you going for more weight or more reps?
    You know I haven't decided yet. I usually plan on picking up more weight once I hit 8 reps, but then get too excited after hitting 7 and bump it up prematurely. Being on a calorie deficit it might be smarter to not out do myself with too much weight, that's always frustrating. Really, I won't know until I'm standing in front of the weight rack lol.

    Plus, I'm kinda scared of breaking that 3 digit barrier, I feel like I'm just not big enough to be pushing 100's lol.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman
    I'm in for the ride buddy
    Quote Originally Posted by bigguyn10ec
    subbed. Really
    interested in this stuff.
    Good to have you on board!
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball View Post
    You know I haven't decided yet. I usually plan on picking up more weight once I hit 8 reps, but then get too excited after hitting 7 and bump it up prematurely. Being on a calorie deficit it might be smarter to not out do myself with too much weight, that's always frustrating. Really, I won't know until I'm standing in front of the weight rack lol.

    Plus, I'm kinda scared of breaking that 3 digit barrier, I feel like I'm just not big enough to be pushing 100's lol.
    i suggest you keep it where it's at for awhile and work on perfecting form...just my 02.cents..
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  17. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i suggest you keep it where it's at for awhile and work on perfecting form...just my 02.cents..
    I appreciate the words of wisdom from somebody like yourself. I do focus quite a bit on form (shoulder blades tucked back, weight above elbow, 90* bend in elbow at bottom etc.), but haven't had anybody critique it for a while, maybe I'll have my lifting partner video my working set tomorrow so I can post it for some review, if that's cool?

    Updates for my 5-Alpha Test experience, Day 3:

    The stimulatory/rush sensation I noted earlier has stayed consistent for at least the first dose of the day, if there is anything similar with the subsequent doses it is greatly diminished. I haven't been able to find anything about the half-life of the compound or how it may be affected by the delivery system, but I remember reading something where Royd the Noyd stated that peak serum concentration was marked at ~24 minutes post administration? I could by way off with that, I'll have to see if I can find it again. Keeping that in mind, I'm wondering if maybe the above noted experiences are due to a quick rise in hormone levels that could then be kept consistent throughout the day with the following doses, but would drop during a lack of administration during sleep.

    Again, first lifting day will be Chest tomorrow.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  18. i get that kind of stimulatory rush when i high dose transdermal formestane...i love it!!!
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  19. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i get that kind of stimulatory rush when i high dose transdermal formestane...i love it!!!
    I'll definitely have to try that out at some point.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball View Post
    I'll definitely have to try that out at some point.
    lol...i like it so much it's in my sig....
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  21. 5-Alpha Test experience, Day 5

    5-Alpha is turning out to be quite interesting. Yesterday was my first day in the gym since starting the log, and man, my endurance was through the roof -I had that on point unstoppable kind of feeling, you know what I'm talking about. For some reason I thought yesterday was going to be chest/tri day but it was actually back/shoulder/bi day. My lifting partner really wanted to stick with the new schedule we had laid out, so we just combined the two routines. It was intense, to say the least. Bigt, I took your advice and stuck with the 95's for DB bench press, focused on rep cadence and form, ended up squeaking 8 out with help on the last one. It was satisfying.

    Mental:

    -The first dose is still proving to be a reliable morning boost, nice stim effect.

    Physical:

    -I think it's still too early to be looking for any significant bloat reduction or associated fat loss, but the scale has dropped a pound since day 1. Keep in mind I have a normal fluctuation of 1-2 pounds, but I haven't had the usual upward flux in the last 2 weeks. This is especially surprising because my diet has not been on point this week, it's been hectic and I haven't had my normal cool-down and make food time. I've been downing a lot of Chobani, cottage cheese, whey shakes, veggie sandwiches and salad. Not exactly balanced lol.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  22. When I'm on a test booster I try to stay away from as much dairy as I can. I have read reports that it can spike estrogen. Kinda bro science I know. But it may help keep test higher by dropping some dairy.
    I can't wait to see what happens with this stuff in a week or two.
    Here is my loghttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216779-bigguy-vs-wilpit.htmlhttp://supplementreviews.com/users/mhseaver670/reviews

  23. Quote Originally Posted by bigguyn10ec
    When I'm on a test booster I try to stay away from as much dairy as I can. I have read reports that it can spike estrogen. Kinda bro science I know. But it may help keep test higher by dropping some dairy.
    I can't wait to see what happens with this stuff in a week or two.
    Ik soy milk can cause a rise in estrogen but never heard on dairy doing so.
    Black Lion Representative
    I'm a Brooklyn boy I may take some gettin' use to

  24. Quote Originally Posted by bigguyn10ec View Post
    When I'm on a test booster I try to stay away from as much dairy as I can. I have read reports that it can spike estrogen. Kinda bro science I know. But it may help keep test higher by dropping some dairy.
    I can't wait to see what happens with this stuff in a week or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Ik soy milk can cause a rise in estrogen but never heard on dairy doing so.
    I have read things in the past which suggest that there are extra estrogens in dairy, especially non-organic, and that soy contains xenoestrogens which act as agonists for the estrogen receptor.

    You're totally right, it is something I should look into moving around in my planned diet. I totally cut out soy a couple years ago, but lately I've been relying heavily on cottage cheese/greek yogurt/whey for meeting protein needs. It's just so easy, the thing is there are not many protein sources outside of lean meats that can deliver the same kind of protein:carb power. Maybe I'll make some time this weekend to re-map.

    Thanks for the input.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  25. Yea I know. I cant say that They do, Hell It may just be a placebo thing to honest. I love my yogurt and cottage cheese but I have drastically dropped them down and I know I have thinned out and got a better dry look due to it. BUT, I think when you need to feed its best to just go ahead and feed instead of overthinking it.
    Heck last night I had a frozen pizza. Does not get any more unhealthy than that.

    The dang thing was awesome too lol.
    Here is my loghttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216779-bigguy-vs-wilpit.htmlhttp://supplementreviews.com/users/mhseaver670/reviews

  26. Quote Originally Posted by bigguyn10ec View Post
    Yea I know. I cant say that They do, Hell It may just be a placebo thing to honest. I love my yogurt and cottage cheese but I have drastically dropped them down and I know I have thinned out and got a better dry look due to it. BUT, I think when you need to feed its best to just go ahead and feed instead of overthinking it.
    Heck last night I had a frozen pizza. Does not get any more unhealthy than that.

    The dang thing was awesome too lol.
    For sure, I think most people experience a new level of dryness when they cut the dairy.

    Lol @ the frozen pizza, it's been so long since I had one of those. Used to hit the Freschetta 4 cheese hard.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  27. Mine was a degornio? I think? But garlic bread super supreme.
    Here is my loghttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216779-bigguy-vs-wilpit.htmlhttp://supplementreviews.com/users/mhseaver670/reviews

  28. Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball

    I have read things in the past which suggest that there are extra estrogens in dairy, especially non-organic, and that soy contains xenoestrogens which act as agonists for the estrogen receptor.

    You're totally right, it is something I should look into moving around in my planned diet. I totally cut out soy a couple years ago, but lately I've been relying heavily on cottage cheese/greek yogurt/whey for meeting protein needs. It's just so easy, the thing is there are not many protein sources outside of lean meats that can deliver the same kind of protein:carb power. Maybe I'll make some time this weekend to re-map.

    Thanks for the input.
    Yw buddy. Try Almond milk. Tastes delicious with shakes.
    Black Lion Representative
    I'm a Brooklyn boy I may take some gettin' use to

  29. Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Yw buddy. Try Almond milk. Tastes delicious with shakes.
    I actually usually have some almond milk in the house, but the brands I've found tend to be pretty poor on the protein content, I've resorted to just using water for the duration of my weightloss phase. I agree though, it makes a good shake that much better.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball

    I actually usually have some almond milk in the house, but the brands I've found tend to be pretty poor on the protein content, I've resorted to just using water for the duration of my weightloss phase. I agree though, it makes a good shake that much better.
    I haven't find one with good protein but its good overall. Adds a few good calories. But if your losing weight def stick to water.
    Black Lion Representative
    I'm a Brooklyn boy I may take some gettin' use to
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