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    Primordial/ForeRunner Summer Fun

    Thanks to ryansm for the discounts & BGRigatoni for the dosing protocol and encouragement.

    Weeks 1 – 8: AndroMass: 6 caps upon waking, AndroHard: 3 caps upon waking, AndroDrive: 3 caps upon waking

    Weeks 2 -7: Alpha Bulk: 8 caps at eight hours apart. 4 @ 9 AM and 4 @ 5 PM: Pre WO

    Weeks 9 – 12: Sustain Alpha: 6 pumps – 5 on/2 off, Toco-8: 1 scoop per day, EndoAmp Max: 1 scoop per day, TCF-1: 5 ml per day

    Additional supplements: Creatine (Pre/Post WO), Taurine (4 grams Pre WO), Vitamin D (5000 IU), & random multi-vitamin

    Current Stats: 6’4”, 36 years old, weight will be with first additional post.

    Goals: Add more size, become a bit more solid, and outgrow my keg (this shall be my theme this year). Hoping to bring my bench up and hitting the 1k+ lbs. leg press that has been eluding me the past few months. In reality, I’m going to work my ass off for every little gain I can earn this summer and in the end I won’t be surprised that this is more of a recomp than anything else.

    Log Updates: Weigh in will be on Fridays. Friday Updates will be reflective like my other logs. Workout logs will be a cut and paste job from Fitocracy (insert flame here). I will chime in if something interesting happens during the week or if I hit a new PR.

    Workouts: I’d like to run a 5 on/2 off this summer, M – Chest/Tri’s, T – Back/Traps/Bi’s, W – Quads/Ham’s/Calves, Th – Shoulders/Traps, F – Arms/Calves. Cardio, I really hate it but will get a minimum of 20 min on the bike following each workout.

    Diet: Edibles will be as clean as I can be. Healthy snacks throughout the day with my daughter. As much protein as I can get in each day. Minimum of 3 liters of water a day. And yea, cheats happen, so what? There is always room for a Carl’s Jr. or Chipotle run when needed. Not to mention that summer weather means good BBQ whenever I can.

    For any and all that tag along this little journey, thanks in advance.

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    Friday, June 8th – Starting Weight 343 lbs.

    Yes, I know it’s the first day but I figured I needed to get into a routine. Got back from San Diego yesterday with the family but was aching for the gym the entire time and to get this log started. Had all my PP doses this AM and my workout a few hours later. I’ll do a formal reflective update next Friday as planned.

    Day 1: Arms/Calves/Traps (had a little extra time so I threw the traps in there)

    Smith Machine Close-Grip Bench Press:
    45 lb x 20 reps
    90 lb x 10 reps
    115 lb x 10 reps
    135 lb x 10 reps
    185 lb x 10 reps

    EZ-Bar Curl:
    50 lb x 20 reps
    70 lb x 10 reps
    80 lb x 10 reps
    90 lb x 10 reps
    100 lb x 10 reps

    Seated Triceps Press:
    100 lb x 20 reps
    120 lb x 10 reps
    160 lb x 10 reps
    200 lb x 10 reps

    Incline Dumbbell Curl:
    20 lb x 10 reps
    25 lb x 10 reps
    25 lb x 7 reps
    25 lb x 6 reps

    Reverse Grip Triceps Pushdown:
    50 lb x 20 reps
    70 lb x 10 reps
    80 lb x 10 reps
    90 lb x 10 reps
    110 lb x 10 reps

    Hammer Dumbbell Curl:
    25 lb x 10 reps
    35 lb x 10 reps
    45 lb x 10 reps

    Barbell Shrug:
    45 lb x 10 reps
    135 lb x 10 reps
    225 lb x 10 reps

    Calf Press On The Leg Press Machine:
    270 lb x 20 reps
    270 lb x 20 reps
    270 lb x 20 reps
    450 lb x 20 reps
    540 lb x 20 reps

    Cycling (stationary):
    0:30:00 || 5.3 mi

    *Italics are PR's.
    ** Good/Bad news: Wife is taking next week off. Good for the family but knowing her, it will throw a monkey wrench into my routine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBGRigatoni View Post
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    Sweet, a two fer. Thx!
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    Just a couple of observations...

    1) Must eat something very quickly. Getting queezy after about 10 - 15 minutes after ingestion sucks.
    2) No grapefruit burps. I'm actually missing them.
    3) Thirst has gone on a rampage. Doubled my water intake yesterday and was still thirsty.

    Looking forward to this next week... Even with the wife home to disrupt my routine.
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    So we are talking 450mg 4dhea from mass and another 160 from alpha bulk? So 610mg 4dhea? Awesome! Sounds like it will be fun. Im gonna run mine just alphamass and bulk no primordials.. With anavar.. Then in winter ill run sd trenavar andromass and androhard
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezjax View Post
    So we are talking 450mg 4dhea from mass and another 160 from alpha bulk? So 610mg 4dhea? Awesome! Sounds like it will be fun. Im gonna run mine just alphamass and bulk no primordials.. With anavar.. Then in winter ill run sd trenavar andromass and androhard
    Yea, if my math (and yours) serves correctly, it should hover right about there for weeks 2 - 7. Hope you log the Alpha with the Anavar, I'd like to see what you're able to do with that stacked. I'm thinking that this winter I'd like to run a full FR line-up just to see how my body reacts since I already know that I respond pretty well to PP line-up.
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    Day 4: Chest/Tri's

    Smith Machine Incline Bench Press:
    45 lb x 20 reps
    135 lb x 10 reps
    185 lb x 10 reps
    205 lb x 8 reps
    215 lb x 6 reps

    Smith Machine Bench Press:
    135 lb x 10 reps
    185 lb x 8 reps
    185 lb x 8 reps

    Decline Barbell Bench Press:
    50 lb x 20 reps
    90 lb x 10 reps
    180 lb x 10 reps
    180 lb x 10 reps
    *Hammer Strength Machine

    Dumbbell Bench Press:
    25 lb x 10 reps
    35 lb x 10 reps
    50 lb x 10 reps

    Cable Crossover:
    40 lb x 20 reps
    50 lb x 10 reps
    50 lb x 10 reps

    Cable Rope Overhead Triceps Extension:
    50 lb x 20 reps
    70 lb x 20 reps
    100 lb x 10 reps
    130 lb x 10 reps
    160 lb x 10 reps

    Triceps Pushdown - V-Bar Attachment:
    160 lb x 10 reps
    180 lb x 10 reps
    200 lb x 10 reps
    200 lb x 10 reps

    Reverse Grip Triceps Pushdown:
    50 lb x 10 reps
    70 lb x 10 reps
    90 lb x 10 reps
    110 lb x 10 reps

    Cycling (stationary):
    0:30:00 || 5.7 mi

    Notes:
    Italics are PR's.
    Thirst is still crazy.
    Dreams... Damn, I thought the dream state with Intimidate was crazy but the past 3 nights have been vividly intense.
    Last edited by Colbicide; 06-11-2012 at 01:50 PM. Reason: Spelling...
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    Day 5: Back/Bi's

    Seated Cable Row:
    50 lb x 20 reps
    100 lb x 10 reps
    150 lb x 10 reps
    150 lb x 10 reps
    200 lb x 10 reps
    200 lb x 10 reps
    100 lb x 10 reps
    120 lb x 10 reps
    140 lb x 10 reps
    180 lb x 10 reps
    5 sets narrow grip, 4 sets wide grip

    Wide-Grip Pulldown Behind The Neck:
    60 lb x 20 reps
    80 lb x 10 reps
    100 lb x 10 reps
    120 lb x 10 reps

    Wide-Grip Lat Pulldown:
    120 lb x 10 reps
    140 lb x 10 reps
    160 lb x 10 reps
    180 lb x 10 reps

    One-Arm Dumbbell Row:
    50 lb x 10 reps
    60 lb x 10 reps
    70 lb x 10 reps

    EZ-Bar Curl:
    10 lb x 20 reps
    30 lb x 20 reps
    50 lb x 15 reps
    70 lb x 10 reps
    10 lb x 20 reps

    Machine Preacher Curls:
    40 lb x 10 reps
    50 lb x 10 reps
    60 lb x 10 reps
    60 lb x 10 reps
    20 lb x 20 reps

    Dumbbell Bicep Curl:
    20 lb x 10 reps
    25 lb x 10 reps
    30 lb x 10 reps

    Cycling (stationary):
    0:30:00 || 5.8 mi

    Notes:
    Not much going on yet. Dreams settled down last night. Can't wait to add the Alpha Bulk this Friday just to see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    In for the ride...
    Thanks boss and glad to have you along. Good luck with your Phase 1 & 2 recomp btw!
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    Day 6: Quads/Hams/Calves

    Leg Press:
    450 lb x 10 reps
    610 lb x 10 reps
    610 lb x 10 reps

    Calf Press On The Leg Press Machine:
    270 lb x 20 reps
    270 lb x 20 reps
    270 lb x 20 reps
    450 lb x 20 reps
    450 lb x 20 reps

    Leg Extensions:
    40 lb x 10 reps
    60 lb x 10 reps
    80 lb x 10 reps

    Seated Leg Curl:
    40 lb x 20 reps
    60 lb x 20 reps
    80 lb x 20 reps

    Cycling (stationary):
    0:30:00 || 5.7 mi

    Notes:
    Strained my lower back two weeks ago, thought things were doing better... Ended up straining it again doing yard work yesterday afternoon. Went for a quick, light leg workout today. Feeling pretty good with very little strain put on my back. Really miss not doing squats since I just added them to the routine about 4 weeks ago. Will be going light for the rest of the week to help the healing process. If things don't heal up after this weekend, I may switch my routine to a 4 day split next week to get an added day of rest.
    Last edited by Colbicide; 06-13-2012 at 06:54 PM. Reason: Spelling Nazi's knocked at my door.
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    I know what you mean. When I was 21 I had back surgery - on L4/L5. I am always so afraid to put my back out. Exercises like squats, stiff leg deads, deads, even bent over barbell rows I sometimes sacrifice weight due to FEAR of it going out... Even when you tweak your back it certainly takes time to heal doesnt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    I know what you mean. When I was 21 I had back surgery - on L4/L5. I am always so afraid to put my back out. Exercises like squats, stiff leg deads, deads, even bent over barbell rows I sometimes sacrifice weight due to FEAR of it going out... Even when you tweak your back it certainly takes time to heal doesnt it.
    Yep but it's not going to stop me from moving forward. Too much progress the past two months to stop. And I've been waiting to run the majority of this stack since January.

    Good news is that squats I can do but not as heavy as I could 15 years ago. Deads, either way, and bent over rows have always taken a toll on my back. I'm really hoping that the family comes through for Fathers Day. Requested a new weight belt and wraps so that the old man might be able to feel young again, lol.
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    Nice.. hope they are listening! And I agree, can't let it hold us back... just was saying how it tends to sit in the back of my mind..
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    Yea, sits there and waits. And when you're not looking. "TWEEK!" and you're feeling old for a few weeks, lol.
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    ...so true! Very frustrating..
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    Day 7: Shoulders/Traps

    Smith Machine Overhead Shoulder Press:
    45 lb x 20 reps
    95 lb x 10 reps
    115 lb x 10 reps
    115 lb x 10 reps

    Front Dumbbell Raise:
    18.5 lb x 10 reps
    20 lb x 10 reps
    25 lb x 10 reps
    25 lb x 10 reps

    Cable Seated Lateral Raise:
    10 lb x 10 reps
    20 lb x 10 reps
    30 lb x 10 reps
    30 lb x 10 reps

    Reverse Flyes:
    50 lb x 10 reps
    60 lb x 10 reps
    80 lb x 10 reps
    80 lb x 10 reps

    Upright Barbell Row:
    45 lb x 10 reps
    65 lb x 10 reps
    75 lb x 10 reps

    Dumbbell Shrug:
    85 lb x 10 reps
    95 lb x 10 reps
    105 lb x 10 reps
    30 lb x 20 reps

    Cycling (stationary):
    0:30:00 || 6 mi

    Notes:
    Week 1 over and done with. Reflection posted tomorrow.
    Been slow going in the mornings but once in the gym, definitely focused.
    Back still sore, took it nice and easy today.
    Beginning Alpha Bulk tomorrow. 4 AM and 4 Pre WO as scheduled. Hoping that it brings an energy boost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Very nice stack, I am in.
    Glad to have you along HTS.
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    Week 1 Reflection:

    Strength: I broke through a big (long) plateau a few weeks ago and since that breaking point I’ve managed to get my strength up each week. I’m sure once things get rolling I’ll see some good jumps in what I am lifting.

    Recovery: Nothing to really notice. I’m a bit sore the next day but that’s been the norm for the past 8 weeks.

    Pump/Vascularity: Been Agmatine free for 2 weeks now but the pumps I’ve been getting this past week have been very near what I was feeling. They just don’t stick around as long.

    Mood/Aggression: Mellow and pretty happy about things.

    Energy/Focus: No outside stims other than coffee or iced tea the past three weeks so my days start out very slow. Focus has been definitely there though in the gym and when working around the house. Not sure if it might be the Drive or just a placebo effect from starting something I’ve been waiting to do for the past 6 months. A huge plus is that it’s really helped get me through the 30 minutes of cardio after each workout.

    Noticeable Changes in Appearance: Nada.

    Libido: No change. Been pretty good the past 8 weeks so if something changes I should be able to notice positive/negative changes pretty quickly.

    Odds ‘N’ Ends: Dreams… Crazy the first few nights like I had with Intimidate. Sleep though has been decent but not feeling totally refreshed in the AM. The past two nights I’ve had the night sweats. Appetite has been normal. Thirst has died down due to me drinking 1.5 to 2 gallons of water.

    Other than that, nothing extraordinary; from other logs I’ve read, much of the PP line-up doesn’t really kick in until week 3 or 4.
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    Day 8: Arms/Calves

    Weight: 346 (+3)

    Started dosing Alpha Mass; 4 @ 9 AM and 4 pre-WO

    Seated Triceps Press:
    50 lb x 20 reps
    100 lb x 10 reps
    150 lb x 10 reps
    200 lb x 10 reps
    220 lb x 5 reps

    EZ-Bar Curl:
    50 lb x 20 reps
    80 lb x 10 reps
    100 lb x 10 reps
    120 lb x 10 reps

    Smith Machine Close-Grip Bench Press:
    45 lb x 20 reps
    115 lb x 10 reps
    185 lb x 8 reps
    185 lb x 8 reps

    Preacher Curl:
    60 lb x 10 reps
    80 lb x 10 reps
    100 lb x 10 reps
    110 lb x 7 reps
    30 lb x 13 reps

    Cable Rope Overhead Triceps Extension:
    100 lb x 20 reps
    140 lb x 10 reps
    160 lb x 10 reps
    180 lb x 8 reps
    100 lb x 20 reps

    Hammer Dumbbell Curl:
    35 lb x 10 reps
    45 lb x 10 reps
    55 lb x 10 reps
    30 lb x 10 reps

    Calf Press On The Leg Press Machine:
    400 lb x 20 reps
    400 lb x 20 reps
    400 lb x 20 reps
    600 lb x 20 reps
    600 lb x 20 reps
    600 lb x 20 reps


    Cycling (stationary):
    0:30:00 || 5.6 mi

    Notes:
    *Workout started out uber-crappy and I wasn't able to focus until my 3rd exercise. Then it was on! Pumps were amazing today, forearms felt like they were going to burst.
    **Weight up +3 which isn't bad. I thought it was going to be much more due my wife being on vacation and the ****ty job I've done watching what I have been eatting with her around. Going out to eat at least once a day for the past two weeks and gaining only 3 lbs is something I will not complain about. Next week and for the foreseeable future, I'll be able to prepare 90% of my meals.
    ***Italics are PR's.
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    Day 9 & 10: Off days.

    Ah rest, relaxation, and Father's Day... Which means I get to do house and yard work. At least the critter came through with a new weight belt and some new wraps. Next week should be fun putting those to use. Back will love the belt. Going to feel sorry for my back and traps though.

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    Broke down and bought some Craze last night and will be adding that to the pre-WO mix once it arrives. Focus is great but I'm lacking in the kick start area. I'm going to really need a boost the next 8 weeks as I'll be spending 10 hours a day with my 3 year old while the wife goes to work. I'm going to lose my mind but it beats the hell out of teaching summer school!
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    Thanks HTS.

    I am the father and I am doing the yard work per what I actually wanted to do today. My old man moved from CA to Arkansas of all places so no doing the fixer uping at his place!

    Anywho, Happy Fathers day to you all and all of yours.

    Chest/Tri's tomorrow, early evening. Hoping I can get settled into a good summer routine this week with the 3 year old... I am SOOOO looking forward to the summer of 'WHY?'.
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    Just a Monday morning mini update.

    I am generating some serious heat over this past weekend. Not to mention downing 1.5 to 2 gallons of water per day.

    Woke up this morning feeling dense, hard, thick. If this keeps up, I can only imagine what I will feel/look like at the end of this run.

    New gym time of 5 PM. Wife went back to work so it's me and the critter. Will log W.O. this evening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colbicide View Post

    Woke up this morning feeling dense, hard, thick. If this keeps up, I can only imagine what I will feel/look like at the end of this run.

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    That sounds awesome, hope you are going to do pics..

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