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    hvactech starts therapy, the doc is in! LICOGENIX (sponsored)


    a million thanks to JD and athletix for the oppertunity to try out licogenix, this will used standalone for pct...

    i ran 4weeks of lg m1d black so licogenix should be strong enough to be ran solo for pct, but we shall see..
    i want to keep this log clean and simple but questions and feedback are encouraged, im not going to post full meals or whole workout regimes but basically the diet is roughly 3500 cals daily with high protein, higher fat and lower carb. im excited for the leaning properties of licogenix and hope to shed some water weight, m1db is wet...i actually started pct a week ago with lg formx and will contiune pct with licogenix solo...any feedback on this method would be greatly appreciated

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    training utilizes 4 day splits with arms divide into 2 sessions, shoulders am and bi/tri pm
    mon-off
    tues-back
    wed-chest
    thurs-off
    fri-shoulders/arms
    sat-legs/abs
    sun-off

    currently supplementing with:
    NOW adam
    MP creatine
    various proteins
    sns beta 501, agmatine
    whiteflood-going to cycle off whiteflood and use sns agmatine, beta 501, and arginine e2 matrix for a while...
    various eaa/bcaa's

    dosing will be as follows:
    8am-9am train
    9-930am finish bcaa's/eaa's
    10am home made gainer shake 2 licogenix
    10pm meal 2 licogenix

    started as of this morning....
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    Looks good

    Drunk off creatine lol!
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    starting pics ?

    keen to hear any leaning effects, solely due to licogenix
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    having trouble resizing all the pics so i listed the link....you can see the higher body fat % in some of the pics which doesnt bother me at this point. hopefully i can shed a pound of water with this but you can see some semi visible abs even at 17%. these were takin right after a 1000 calorie meal in poor lighting but give you a guideline for comparison....
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    Looking really solid man!

    Can def see some abs wanting to come out even at that 17% like you said, I am cursed with small abs, once I get some extra bodyfat there totally gone lol.
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    the small gains from m1db arent visible in the pics but legs and chest filled in alittle bit, although my calories were sky high and i wanna say that if anything most gains were from increased cals and the m1db helped control fat gain...
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    been dosing 10am with a higher carb meal and again at 10pm, zero stomach discomfort so far.....scale weight still the same but feel less bloated..
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    you got it packed down bro keep up the good work
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    been dosing 10am with a higher carb meal and again at 10pm, zero stomach discomfort so far.....scale weight still the same but feel less bloated..
    One thing I've noticed is every logger has mentioned less bloating, sounds like Licogenix may be working it's magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    One thing I've noticed is every logger has mentioned less bloating, sounds like Licogenix may be working it's magic.
    Is this due to the lowering of estrogen do you think, or its help with glucose partitioning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Is this due to the lowering of estrogen do you think, or its help with glucose partitioning?
    I believe it's a small mixture of both working here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    I believe it's a small mixture of both working here.
    So even just a litle to much estrogen can cause bloating or does it have to be a considerable amount to bloat
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    okay so im adding my titanium xl and division 1 starting 2morrow, dosing will be as follows:

    1 cap each at 7am - this dose is preworkout
    1 cap each at 3pm
    1 cap each at 11pm

    take with food?
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    Didnt know you were adding more supps, you wont know what lico is doing now
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    Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Didnt know you were adding more supps, you wont know what lico is doing now
    i pm'd you, is there any one else looking for feedback on running licogenix completely solo without the athletix stack? as of now i believe im the only logger thats doing so, i want to give you guys the best review possible.
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    back:

    standing barbel rows - 135lb 2 sets for 10 warmup
    hammer strength row machine, single arm - 90lb for 10, 115 for 7, 135 for 6, 135 for 6
    cable rows supersetted with straight bar lat pull downs - 3 super sets (6 sets total) high rep
    single arm seated cable horizontal pulls - 3 sets, 10 reps each, same weight

    i switch back routines weekly to hit every angle possible....did not use titanium or division as i stated above, some of my subscribers want to see licogenix ran completely solo....
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    I'd take with food. Up to you if your wanting to add in TitaniumXL and Division 1.
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    yeah, i was going to start adding it today but a few asked me not to as they wanted to see how lico worked completely on its own...
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    totally solo imo to put it to the real test see what it can do with just protein and basic vits etc, i wouldnt even run a fat burner with it myself just to see actually what any changes were due to, hey its just the way i would do it,
    no worrys man you run it how you want stack it or not its your log.
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    im def not taking any kind of fat burners....just what i listed above....
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    kool, keen to see any leaning and drying effect etc
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    with orals i found it more affective with 25 to 30 minutes before meal time and regular schedule time. If you get a meal at 7am, 3pm and 11pm then i will do so. Notice how your body feel just beware of bloat
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    Quote Originally Posted by dark child View Post
    with orals i found it more affective with 25 to 30 minutes before meal time and regular schedule time. If you get a meal at 7am, 3pm and 11pm then i will do so. Notice how your body feel just beware of bloat
    actually this log will be licogenix only, im not adding titanium or division...
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    chest:
    limited time today so i basically did what i call a "super 3"; incline, flat, decline bb bench supersetters. higher rep with moderate weight, 15 total sets. incline cable fly's supersetted with pec deck. with 5 min warm up cardio workout duration was exactly 1 hour.

    so far no strength loss and zero sides from licogenix, still have a euphoric feeling over all and waist/midsection tends be alittle leaner water wise...
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    Great update

    I like the sounds of that "Super 3" I'm going to give that a shot Thursday
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    today was an off day but dosed accordingly.. 2morrow will be my 2 part split, shoulders in the morning and bi/tri in the afternoon...
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    shoulders:
    military press supersetted with he-up's, bb front raises, db lateral raises, various cable raises provided a killer front, side, and rear delt workout. cable upright rows provided some trap work. all around great workout today and can really feel/see some leaning effects..

    side note: got an island oasis blending machine and lets say im addicted!

    favorite rear delt exercise....http://youtu.be/Hm7GIcy0sAQ
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    bi/tri's:

    once again another killer workout, preacher machine warm-up, standing bb curls supersetted with cable hammer curls, db curls supersetted with standing single arm preacher curls...

    tri's - v pushdowns, close grip bench press, and standing single arm pulldowns completed an awsome arm day.....

    so far everything is working out just like i hoped!

    side note: if you dont use agmatine, you better start!
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    legs:

    leg press, hack squats, seated curls and leg extensions completed this routine, limited time this morning. will do calves this afternoon
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    Keep up the good work!

    I myself havn't seen much from agmatine, but everyone seems to be loving it.
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    i use sns right now but do have AI sports as well, even if you do not benefit from the "pumps" it has a ton of added benefits aside...and i believe sns is lowering their price too...

    today is an off day..
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    Nice job so far! Great that you are running this solo.
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    thanks bud...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    i use sns right now but do have AI sports as well, even if you do not benefit from the "pumps" it has a ton of added benefits aside...and i believe sns is lowering their price too...

    today is an off day..
    I may give it another try. How much are you using a day?
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    i train at 8am, so i wake up at 7am dose 250mg with 2.25g of sns beta 501, then around 730 i dose another 250mg with my whiteflood, i then dose another 250mg pre bed....
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    back:
    bent over bb rows, tbar rows, cable rows, straight bar lat pull downs, single arm hammer strength pulls complete another killer back routine. while i put away a ton calories it feels like im recomping, i feel my bodyfat has dropped slightly while continuing to make gains and this is prolly part due to the drying effects..

    side note: my formula x arrived yesterday, scale weight as of this morning after my morning restroom ritual was 184lbs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    Nice job so far! Great that you are running this solo.
    Yea good stuff, the best way imo
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    Any increased drying effects of water loss?
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