AE and Licogenix....time to recomp (Sponsored)

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  1. AE and Licogenix....time to recomp (Sponsored)


    A big thanks to JD and Athletix for providing me the opportunity to log this. Let me start with a little background.

    I am 35 (36 at the end of the month) 5'11" and weighed in at 204lbs. I have been lifting since the late 80's, so I have a pretty consistent routine that I use that has provided me with solid results. Here is my workout routine:
    Monday: Shoulders/Calves
    Tuesday: off
    Wednesday: back/bis
    Thursday: chest/tris
    Friday: shoulders/quads/hams
    Saturday: back
    Sunday: chest/tris

    Let me be a bit forthcoming about my legs. I can only work them every now and again. This is at my doctors request. Evidently years ago I destroyed a nerve that travels through my pelvis/hip area into my left thigh. When I do squats consistently, I either lose feeling in my leg entirely or get this annoying burning sensation that typically wakes me up in the middle of the night. I do try to get creative however, so I might vary that around a bit as I go. Additionally, with my job (High School Administrator) I am up at 3:45am and always hit the treadmill prior to lifting. Usually 40+ minutes on the highest incline (12%). Fortunately, I have all the equipment in my basement, so it works well. Just to make this a little easier, my philosophy for my lifting style since I started so early, is to lift as heavy as I can as often as I can. So my workouts will be throwing around as much weight as I can.

    I am usually pretty strict with my diet and supplementation. I eat clean almost always, outside of a possible cheat on Saturday nights when my wife and I typically go out. Here are the supplements that I will be using in conjunction with Licogenix:

    Orange Triad
    Protean
    Amino Energy mixed with DiCM
    Shift at night
    Gut Health
    Caffeine tabs (SNS) in the am

    One aspect I will be noting right off the bat will be a comparison between Lico/Erase/Erase Pro. I am just finishing EP this Saturday, which is why I will be starting on Sunday. I am interested to test this based on what I have seen the last 30 days.

    My log will officially start on Sunday, at which time I will add before pics to see any physical changes.

    Really looking forward to this, and cant wait to get started.
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Size:  21.6 KBHere is the before pic, taken about 5 minutes ago on 3/11. I apologize for my wife's makeup bag in the front

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Size:  24.6 KB Here is the final pic from 4/6 Weight was 205lbs as of this am

    Final thoughts:
    Strength: nothing really noticeable here. On one side, my strength was stable throughout, no real heavy peaks or valleys.

    Body comp: big shine here. Weight is increased a bit, and pants are looser. Vascularity was up as well as noted previously. I am quite pleased overall on this end of lico

    Joints: Really? If you have followed my log, you know where I stand on this. This was the most pleasant surprise out of anything from this log. It truly felt like a joint supp. I am actually disappointed to be done, and also concerned that I will regress from a joint perspective

    Overall: This is a very solid AI. Similar to Erase in terms of body comp, but yet not as strong as Erase Pro. With 6-bromo, Inhibit E and Erase Pro, my joints suffered a bit. Lico counters that well. For the price at NP ($29.99) I would highly recommend this, and will be purchasing a bottle on my own.

    This adds a new wrinkle to the AI market and one that will serve Athletix quite well.

    Thank you again Athletix and JD
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  3. Sub'd. Let's see what this stuff can do!
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  4. AE14,

    I just finished 8 weeks of Erase Pro and I am waiting 4 weeks to cycle out and cycle back for another 8 week run of Erase Pro.
    Does Licogenix need to be cycled ? Is it OK between Erase Pro runs ? Too much AI without cycling ?

    Maybe I will get that answer from following your log.


    Sub'd.

  5. That sounds like it can be a pain in the ass, I've been dealing with back issues for over a year now so I def understand how frustrating it can get when stuff like this gets in the way of training. I wish you the best and can't wait to see the effects of Licogenix

    Quote Originally Posted by fumoney View Post
    AE14,

    I just finished 8 weeks of Erase Pro and I am waiting 4 weeks to cycle out and cycle back for another 8 week run of Erase Pro.
    Does Licogenix need to be cycled ? Is it OK between Erase Pro runs ? Too much AI without cycling ?

    Maybe I will get that answer from following your log.


    Sub'd.
    Yeah thats way too much, thats 5 months on an AI, take the break, run your ErasePro again, than make sure to take another break, maybe up to 8 weeks after the next bottle, than start Licogenix.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay
    That sounds like it can be a pain in the ass, I've been dealing with back issues for over a year now so I def understand how frustrating it can get when stuff like this gets in the way of training. I wish you the best and can't wait to see the effects of Licogenix
    .
    Thanks man. Funny enough, I was a teenager when it started and my damn doc told me it was just my belt was too tight. What a jackass.

    Really looking forward to seeing what this can do.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Thanks man. Funny enough, I was a teenager when it started and my damn doc told me it was just my belt was too tight. What a jackass.

    Really looking forward to seeing what this can do.
    The things some Doctors say lol
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay
    That sounds like it can be a pain in the ass, I've been dealing with back issues for over a year now so I def understand how frustrating it can get when stuff like this gets in the way of training. I wish you the best and can't wait to see the effects of Licogenix

    Yeah thats way too much, thats 5 months on an AI, take the break, run your ErasePro again, than make sure to take another break, maybe up to 8 weeks after the next bottle, than start Licogenix.
    Cool. Thanks for the response. Still very interested in how your log goes.
    I started a new log at:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/228939-fumoney-takes-ironmag.html

  9. Glad to have you.
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  10. Keen to know your comparism of licogenix to erase and erase pro, have you tried any other otc ais?

  11. I have used 6 bromo as well as inhibit e.

    Lico has my attention due to its other properties.

    I took my last erase pro this am, so tomorrow the fun begins.
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  12. kool, interested in your honest comparism to erase

  13. first dose is down after my typical sunday morning run on the treadmill. Went for 46 minutes at the highest incline. Thank goodness for the ID channel as it keeps me fascinated for the entire time.

    Weight at the start of this am was 202lbs. Will take a pre pic shortly.

    Today is chest and tris, which I will do this afternoon, and if I have some more energy, maybe another treadmill jaunt.
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  14. Subbing.curious to see compared to erase/pro
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  15. 2nd post updated with before pic
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  16. Had a real nice chest and tri workout today. Here is the run down

    Incline bp warmup (4 sets) sets @ 185 for 5 reps
    Flat bp (5 sets) 315lbs 2 reps <hit the wall hard here>
    Push Press (3 sets) 275lbs
    Incline flys (4 sets) 65lbs sets of 8

    JM press (5 sets) 225lbs rep range of 5-7
    Close grip bp (4 sets) 225lbs <again got fried to hell at this point>

    Went back on the treadmill for 30 minutes again at 12% incline

    Nothing of note yet from the licogenix. Will hit the second dose with dinner tonight
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  17. Following

  18. Quote Originally Posted by BamaDog
    Following
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    2nd post updated with before pic
    Can you not make it bigger, cant see it so good dude

  20. I will try. However, it enlarges on my iPad when I click on it
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  21. Great update! 315 on the bench, nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Can you not make it bigger, cant see it so good dude
    I just zoomed my computer screen and I can see it good.
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  22. Thanks man, Sunday's are always a "heavy" day for me.
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  23. Alright, just finished my morning workout.....

    Shoulders
    Arny Presses (4 sets) 65lbs sets 8-10 reps
    Seated db laterals (4 sets) 30lbs*
    Seated rear laterals (4 sets) 30lbs*

    *=superset

    Calves
    Standing calf raises (8 sets) up to 225lbs sets of 15
    sadly I need to wear a belt for this due to back issues

    Nothing of note yet, hit the treadmill prior to the lift, which is my means of waking up as early as I do.

    I do feel good however, regardless of the early hour.

    Have a LONG day at work today, wont be home till 10pm tonight. Will update if anything to note during the day
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  24. ok ae im coming in here and stomping all over your thread! God is Lord!!!!!! ha muahahahaha..... im jk ae.... im sure you remember me. glad to see your doing a log, I know im late but will be watching for results my friend.

  25. but on a serious note. how experienced are you with ais?

  26. As has been taught to me by the great Flying Spaghetti Monster, all are welcome

    In terms of my experience, I actually started thinking back to it, and didnt realize that I had tried as many as I did.
    Erase, Erase Pro, IBE Formex, 6-bromo, Inhibit E, Formadrol Extreme

    The only popular one that I have not had a chance to try has been triazole, but Lico is quite intriguing to me as a result of the joint and antioxidant properties.
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  27. Something to note....this is ay 2 so I am not source if this is from Liz or not, but my forearms are more vascular than normal. I am actually just sitting in my office right now, and with my sleeves rolled up its an awesome site (for me)
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  28. today is an off day, so no workout to report. Did take my first dose this morning with my shake. Will note any news today
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  29. nothing of note from the off day. Tomorrow morning is back and bi's with some cardio. Will note the workout in the am
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  30. Have a good back and bicep workout tomorrow
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  31. Workout went well this am.

    Back
    alternating grip pullups (9 total sets) 3 underhand, 3 wide grip, 3 behind the neck
    db rows (4 sets) 75lbs sets of 12 (my db's max at 75lbs)

    Bi's
    hammer curls (5 sets) 45lbs sets of 8-10
    seated incline (5 sets) 40lbs sets of 7-8

    Will write down more of my thoughts in a little bit.
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  32. Ok, finally a little time to sit and give some thoughts.

    Thus far, the most noticeable aspect has been a large increase in vascularity. I will weigh in tomorrow to check, but I have not noticed anything towards my recomp goals (still sooooo early).
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  33. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Ok, finally a little time to sit and give some thoughts.

    Thus far, the most noticeable aspect has been a large increase in vascularity. I will weigh in tomorrow to check, but I have not noticed anything towards my recomp goals (still sooooo early).
    Thats so awesome to hear because this is something many of the beta-testers commented on
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  34. I already have Erase Pro ready to go in 3 weeks. I am now tempted to try Licogenix in place to see what it's like. Hmmmmm.
    I started a new log at:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/228939-fumoney-takes-ironmag.html

  35. my vascularity hasnt changed but can def notice a leaner midsection

  36. In to see the comparison,will be doing it myself without "mywifes" makeup bag
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by Marms View Post
    In to see the comparison,will be doing it myself without "mywifes" makeup bag

    ahahaha, can't wait to hear your thoughts as well. Hey where those new girls at? lol Athletix Girls FTW!!!
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  38. ok a couple of quick things...

    pants are fitting looser around the waist even though my weight was the same at 202lbs as of this am. Strength is right on, no increases or decreases, and vascularity is way up.

    Here is this am upper chest

    Incline BP (8 sets) sets at 225lbs rep range 8-12
    Incline DB press (4 sets) 75lbs range of 10-12
    Incline flys (4 sets) 60lbs sets at 8

    The fact that the weight is the same and my vascularity is improving, tells me that there is a little less water and I am leaning out a tad
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  39. ^^ nice update ^^
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  40. a few brief observations today:
    • Does lico have diuretic properties? I began to notice it yesterday, but it was far more pronounced today. I work in a school where we run a block schedule (almost 90 minutes periods). I have to pee and the start and end of every block. Damn
    • My temperature is definitely up. It was somewhat chilly this am (in the 40's) and I was still sweating. I am now in my office with the window open, as I am a sweaty pig.

    So the thoughts to me are, somewhat thermogenic, diuretic, along with the joint and ai properties.

    Very cool indeed
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