Preventing HPTA Suppression with Adamantium (DAA)

[kevinhy]

When the studies on d-aspartic-acid first emerged, I was intrigued to say the least. A D-form amino acid increasing testosterone by a significant amount? I had to learn more, so i began studying this substance, which lead me to the theory I'm putting to the test today.

DAA works by stimulating the NMDA receptors in the hypothalamus, which increases concentrations of GnRH (Gonadotropin-releasing hormone). GnRH then stimulates the pituitary to increase concentrations of both LH (Luteinizing hormone) and FSH (Follicle-stimulating hormone), which tells the testes to turn on the testosterone making process (Steroidogenesis).

When you take PH/DS/AAS, these very same pathways are down-regulated (reduced LH, FSH, etc). In theory, if one were to co-administer both exogenous androgens and DAA, it seems possible that they would neutralize each other, potentially minimizing (or slowing) the shutdown process that the PHs cause.

The study on DAA found that after twelve days, testosterone increased by 40%. I'm assuming 12 days is the time it takes for the hypothalamic tissues to become fully saturated, which means any hormonal increase that happens would be at maximum capacity by then. What ive done was preload the DAA for the first 12 days of the cycle to make sure it had time to upregulate everything, then ill begin using my PHs.

Cycle is as follows:
M-LMG - 100mg for six weeks.
Andromass - 4 caps the second week, 5 caps the last four weeks of the cycle.
AndroHard V1 - 750mg for six weeks.

I wasnt even planning on using the AndroMass until Noa (Redhulk) offered me a discount to try it out as a Dermacrine replacement. After seeing how ridiculously low it was priced, i figured i had to give it a shot. I also picked up some androhard v2, but im saving that for a future cycle to get rid of my androhard v1 stash. Adamantium is definitely my DAA of choice due to the LCLTs ability at increasing androgen receptor density, perhaps that will increase my cycles effectiveness.

Before all the haters jump in here and tell me im stupid or something, just realize this is a theory. Im sure the upregulation from DAA wont overrule any androgen. Everything has its limits, and i feel that if it at least slows it from stronger androgens, or mitigates it from weaker ones, then it definitely has its purpose.

Also, I'm already about a week into the cycle, I start the andromass tomorrow. I dont feel 7 days is enough to have any noticeable suppression, and I of course havent.

I should add that im not getting blood tests this time around, and will be relying primarily on feel. I know it doesnt really amount to too much, but several weeks into any cycle ive done my testes have lost size only to be regained during PCT.

[swollen87]

i tried this, it helped libido, but i was shut down still

[kevinhy]

i tried this, it helped libido, but i was shut down still

What was your cycle?

[JudgementDay]

Subbed on this wicked log!

i tried this, it helped libido, but i was shut down still

I'm also curious what you ran.



DJ Remix ran havoc for 20 days, then took 1 week off and then 3 weeks of Superdrol and H-drol. He used DAA through the cycle and he found it helped, he said he only got very very mild shutdown. Most people would be very shutdown with that kind of cycle.

[WhatsaRoid?]

Very nice, I've been thinking about using DAA on cycle and skipping on hcg. The only bad thing tho is I'm going to be on like five months Haha.

Anyway I'm interested in your results

[flash89912]

Def helping with libido, on week 2 of methadrol extreme (sd, dmz, mlmg) ....def still getting shut down though, nuts are shrinking. Think it does help though, taking 3g generic DAA

[swollen87]

What was your cycle?

first time i ran daa throughout a 6week dzine cycle.... did almost nothing

second time i ran it with 300mg primo and 50mg winny for 8 weeks (winny last 4)


its a waste of time to use anything but hcg on cycle to reduce shut down.... IMO

[mnowak1228]

Subbed!! Im interested also. Ive been thinking of running Adamantium during my 1-Andro+4AD cycle. This will help in my decision making!! Thank you.....

[schwellington]

post studies showing DAA will prevent HPTA shutdown- otherwise I call bull****

[kevinhy]

Well im two weeks into cycle with absolutely no signs of shutdown yet, and M-LMG according to PA is more suppresive than a testosterone derivative.


I'm not saying it replaces HCG or acts as an alternative. If it directly stimulates GnRH release, then it causes LH and FSH to pulse, which stimulates leydig cells. The question is how much you can get away with before the androgens take over. You guys are running longer cycles and harsher compounds, obviously it wont negate that, i said it right in my opening post. However, perhaps with something like halodrol or moderately dosed epistane/havoc it would be of use.

There are no studies to conclude this, but all studies are started with a hypothesis. Obviously DAA wasnt brought to the market with AAS users in mind, but perhaps eventually it will have its limits displayed.

[JudgementDay]

Well Said Kevinhy!

post studies showing DAA will prevent HPTA shutdown- otherwise I call bull****

We never said it was proven, or had studies, we said it's a theory and we are looking for feedback from others that have used Adamantium or DAA during cycle. Loggers and everyone who has used DAA during cycle came back with positive results, we will be getting a couple more loggers up in the next 2-3 weeks.

[swollen87]

i have seen people post up bloodwork while using daa and NO PH/DS and their test level hadnt changed.....

[JudgementDay]

i have seen people post up bloodwork while using daa and NO PH/DS and their test level hadnt changed.....

Any links to this? Studies show otherwise, including everyone getting great test boosting effects from DAA on this forum.

[swollen87]

Any links to this? Studies show otherwise, including everyone getting great test boosting effects from DAA on this forum.

heres one showing LOWERED test levels...

http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=42586

not too credible, but theres more out there, do a little research on daa not doing sh*t except making people FEEL like its working

[kevinhy]

heres one showing LOWERED test levels...http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=42586not too credible, but theres more out there, do a little research on daa not doing sh*t except making people FEEL like its working

That's correct, there are non responders to DAA. Were speaking strictly of the users who respond to the increase in gonadotropins.

[JudgementDay]

heres one showing LOWERED test levels...

http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=42586

not too credible, but theres more out there, do a little research on daa not doing sh*t except making people FEEL like its working

There is non responders, the link you sent me also showed someone who is on TRT with normal levels of 750-922 at various times of bloodwork and with added DAA with TRT it came out at 1322......I'm sure I could google up DAA and find tons of broscience stating DAA doesn't work, but the studies and results show otherwise.

[BBB]

He didn't say what form of DAA he was using nor did he check free test. Sometimes overall test is lower because more is being converted to free test.

[mnowak1228]

I seriously think people that aren't interested in what someone wants to log, shouldn't cut into a thread with negative feedback. What works for one person may NOT work for another! If I tried product "A" and it didn't work for me I wouldn't totally write it off for everyone, especially since there are many other logs that satisfy the claims for the product. I for one am interested in trying Adamantium. I have used TCF-1 and I did notice some gains. Placibo effect? Idk, nor do I care bc I still made possitive gains while taking it. To me, even if it was all in my mind it was still worth the money for the gains it gave me. SO PLEASE.....for the rest of us who are interested in an unbias opinion on a product (Adamantium) that has already proven itself in other logs, put this disagreement to rest and let the log begin!!!! LOL

[JudgementDay]

I seriously think people that aren't interested in what someone wants to log, shouldn't cut into a thread with negative feedback. What works for one person may NOT work for another! If I tried product "A" and it didn't work for me I wouldn't totally write it off for everyone, especially since there are many other logs that satisfy the claims for the product. I for one am interested in trying Adamantium. I have used TCF-1 and I did notice some gains. Placibo effect? Idk, nor do I care bc I still made possitive gains while taking it. To me, even if it was all in my mind it was still worth the money for the gains it gave me. SO PLEASE.....for the rest of us who are interested in an unbias opinion on a product (Adamantium) that has already proven itself in other logs, put this disagreement to rest and let the log begin!!!! LOL

Will you be logging Adamantium during your cycle? if so let me know

[swollen87]

I seriously think people that aren't interested in what someone wants to log, shouldn't cut into a thread with negative feedback. What works for one person may NOT work for another! If I tried product "A" and it didn't work for me I wouldn't totally write it off for everyone, especially since there are many other logs that satisfy the claims for the product. I for one am interested in trying Adamantium. I have used TCF-1 and I did notice some gains. Placibo effect? Idk, nor do I care bc I still made possitive gains while taking it. To me, even if it was all in my mind it was still worth the money for the gains it gave me. SO PLEASE.....for the rest of us who are interested in an unbias opinion on a product (Adamantium) that has already proven itself in other logs, put this disagreement to rest and let the log begin!!!! LOL

pretty sure hes not logging this, seeing as he JUST said he is 2 weeks into the cycle already..... but nice try buddy