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  1. Since you are "lean gaining" primarily, what are your caloric targets for training days and burn days? It looks like you are staying away from the +20%/-20% recomp setup.
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  2. Day 5: off

    Took 1 cap in the morning fasted with BCAA, and no appreciable change in hunger. I think I'll be taking my doses more spread out, and just dose with BCAA/EAA for fasted portions and with food for other portions.

    Macros:

    Calories: 2200 (600 below maintenance)

    190g protein
    240g carbs (21g fiber)
    58g fat

    Low calorie day, hope it helps keep fat off! I always wonder about these days and whether they do more harm than good when I'm trying to build up, but still remain lean.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Since you are "lean gaining" primarily, what are your caloric targets for training days and burn days? It looks like you are staying away from the +20%/-20% recomp setup.
    I'd say I loosely follow it. I noticed I was getting too fat with the 20% over maintenance when I was working out 5 times a week. I'm trying to drop my calories a little and see if that has a better effect while still making progress. So far I'm shedding some fat from what I had, and still getting stronger and bigger I think. I'll see how it goes, and may bump it up if I stop gaining. Right now being lean isn't the priority, it's just a "nice thing".
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  4. Day 6: off

    I didn't track calories/macros, but they weren't that great. Had friends over and got Thai, cupcakes, coffee cake, baked brie, etc. Very tasty, so I hope the cardio I did during the day helped control the damage!

    I used a cap in the morning fasted, and no problem with hunger for me. I think given this, it will work more spread out on my LeanGains diet and not make me too hungy. Also, with my propensity to need much higher doses to get effects, I'm going to bump up my doses to 6 a day.

    1 cap AM pre-workout with BCAA
    1 cap AM post-workout with BCAA
    2 caps fast breaking meal
    1 cap Dinner
    1 cap pre-bed with BCAA

    I figure this will help keep the AC/DP active in my system longer, and also give it enough nutrition for anabolism.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    I'd say I loosely follow it. I noticed I was getting too fat with the 20% over maintenance when I was working out 5 times a week. I'm trying to drop my calories a little and see if that has a better effect while still making progress. So far I'm shedding some fat from what I had, and still getting stronger and bigger I think. I'll see how it goes, and may bump it up if I stop gaining. Right now being lean isn't the priority, it's just a "nice thing".
    I am about 22% up on wd's and only 11% below on nwd's and that is the point where I stopped losing fat but not gaining any either. I am very anabolic right now though. When I start to cut again I will be about + 18% and down 18% or so.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I am about 22% up on wd's and only 11% below on nwd's and that is the point where I stopped losing fat but not gaining any either. I am very anabolic right now though. When I start to cut again I will be about + 18% and down 18% or so.
    Liking the new avi Doug!
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    SHAZAM! Seems that is going to be overkill to me. If you werent running Osta I can see maybe using all the other products, but with Osta in there you won't be loosing anything you have two PCT's worth of supplements there. You sure you aren't just tossing things in there because you want to use them. Seems that will more than likely waste some of your supps.

    If I may make a suggestion, run the clomid, Osta and DAA from the beginning of the pct, save the HCGen for when you stop the Osta. Your test will be mostly recovered but not all the way and still in lower than your normal range. That is when you will really want to increase the free test levels which is truly where HCGen shines alongside the leydig cell stimulation which will continue the recovery. Only use the Formastanzol if needed, and save the Sustain Alpha to run with the Forma during your next PCT if you don't end up with any estrogen issues which for the most part should be okay with the clomid unless you are really succeptible to estrogen issues. Heck if you got Anabeta run that with the HCGen afterwards.

    Of course you can throw the kitchen sink at it and i would probably recommend it but with Osta the chances of you losing gains are so unlikely that there isn't as much need for the kitchen sink approach.
    Kleen, my man!! You're definitely right. And I always appreciate your suggestions.. Ya I'm basically hoarding all these supps, so it was more of just throw em all in and yes it probably would be a waste. I'm gonna use the Forma stanz starting right now tho into about week 3 of PCT. I'm prone to estro sides pretty bad. So what I'm doing while I'm waiting for the test esters to clear is 10 pumps/day, then slowly tapering down to 6 pumps a day on my last week of Forma, probably week 3 of PCT.

    So I'm looking at

    Clomid
    Forma Stanz
    Osta
    Hcgenerate starting week 3 or so

    Also got 2 bottles of HCGen, so i could run that for ~8weeks and throw in the Anabeta as soon as PCT is done Probably throw in bulk DAA as well when PCT is done.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Liking the new avi Doug!
    Thanks my new pics are up in my log... I am a little wet but right where I need to be...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  9. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Save it and bridge natty into your next cycle
    For sure ryan, thanks for the input buddy!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Thanks my new pics are up in my log... I am a little wet but right where I need to be...
    Looking great sir!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    Looking great sir!
    Thanks, yah I am pretty pleased....
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  12. Day 7: off

    I didn't track calories/macros again, too much variation in stuff I ate, but they weren't that great AGAIN! Ate left over Thai food and cupcakes! For dinner though, grilled up some chicken, corn and a grilled salad. Done just the way it's supposed to be on 4th of July, on the grill with a beer in hand!

    Here's how I dosed today:
    1 cap AM with BCAA
    1 cap AM with BCAA
    2 caps fast breaking meal
    1 cap Dinner
    1 cap pre-bed with BCAA

    Well, I got hungry (real hungry) with the fast break meal! I'd estimate I had an extra 400-500 calories in addition to what I've normally been eating. Yeah, hunger is kicking in at 6 caps (actually, when I reached a dose of 4 caps it kicked in, I'm guessing it reached effective level sooner, and affected my eating more than my previous dosing).

    Dinner was the same, but I controlled it a little better and was ~200-300 calories above a typical dinner. I ate a couple pieces of bread and butter I wasn't planning on plus some additional carbs. AnaBeta does seem to like carbs, more than SD did for me during a cut. I'll withold judgment until I see results, but it seems good for gaining!
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  13. Day 8: 7/5 Chest/Tricep

    3 Scoops Wyked

    Flat BB Bench Press
    135 x 12
    185 x 10
    225 x 7
    245 x 3
    265 x 1
    225 x 5
    225 x 4
    185 x 11
    185 x 10
    185 x 10

    Incline DB Bench Press
    70 x 8
    75 x 8
    80 x 8
    85 x 7
    90 x 5

    Cable Cross Over
    42.5 x 10
    42.5 x 10
    45 x 10
    45 x 9
    47.5 x 8

    Machine Fly
    170 x 12
    210 x 10
    210 x 9
    220 x 9
    220 x 8

    Machine Cable Chest Press 21's
    42.5 x 21
    42.5 x 21
    42.5 x 21

    Incline Skull Crusher
    60 x 12 (5 sets)

    Dip Machine
    170 x 12 (5 sets)

    Cable Rope Press Down
    50 x 15 (5 sets)

    1-Arm Cable Rope Press Down
    15 x 15 (3 sets)


    Chest was definitely taking a beating with the volume I put in. Workout lasted a good 75 minutes with supersetting the tricep lifts with chest. At the end I was doing the 21's with less weight than last week just because I was so spent from the other 4 chest exercises! Lifts were up on the first couple of exercises, so strength/endurance is continuing to progress nicely.

    Body composition, I was looking pretty good heading into the shower, though I always get a nice pumped look post workout. I wish I could maintain that look longer, especially for pictures (which I've taken, just need to download, I'm so lazy when it comes to that). Pics aren't looking as good as I'd like, lost all the leanness I had, but strength is recovering nicely as is musculature. I need to keep gaining though, and forget about looking pretty!

    AnaBeta is starting to do its thing with hunger today! 1 cap pre-workout with EAA, and then 1 cap post-workout with BCAA/LBA. I CANNOT WAIT for lunch!!!
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  14. 6 caps hittin u hard!!
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    6 caps hittin u hard!!
    This is how I like it to feel! You can tell something is really happening!

    Yeah, for comparison 18mg of albuterol is where I start cutting (I've done that in a single dose once, that gave me serious heart palpitations!). 100mcg Clen = yawn. 6 caps of Spirodex and I take a nap. Tolerance is my middle name!!!
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  17. NICE! Stuff sounds nice and legit! Too bad this sale comes right before both of my son's birthdays. I would so be buying up 3-4 bottles for my PCT if I wasn't about to be dropping 3-400 on them...
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
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  18. Buy it for them and share! Win - win- win!

    It's what I do for my anniversary. "What honey, I thought you'd really enjoy 50lbs of Myofusion!?"
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  19. Before pics uploaded on page 1. Lots of room to grow, LOL!
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Before pics uploaded on page 1. Lots of room to grow, LOL!
    Look good Milas! Don't seem to have added too much flab since the contest. Kill it bro!
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  21. You are still very lean, gave us the impression you had put on more weight than that but you've returned to an optimal level... you look wider as well..
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Look good Milas! Don't seem to have added too much flab since the contest. Kill it bro!
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    You are still very lean, gave us the impression you had put on more weight than that but you've returned to an optimal level... you look wider as well..
    You guys are too kind, I feel like a bloated hippo dressed in a tu-tu floating in water! I cannot believe it was so easy to add back the 32lbs I dropped from Jan-April. It took only 1 month for me to get back to 200lbs (yeah, 30lbs in 1 month!), and now I've been trying to recover strength and add some more mass. Adding the LBM is a slow road though, replacing glycogen and water is quick and easy...

    Strength, however, is continuing to increase FAST! New PR today, squatted 315 x 10 plus 3 more sets of 315 x 8. WOW, last week I was only able to eke out 315 x 7, and 275 x 10!

    I'd say I like AnaBeta at 6 caps at this point!

    Now, can it add the mass I'm looking for, that's diet dependent...
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  23. Day 8 Nutrition

    Calories: 3637 (maintenance)

    350g Protein
    343g Carbs (43g fiber)
    107g Fat

    Overall, I'm surprised I didn't get as many calories as I thought I did. Perhaps I missed entering something online. Dinner was lighter than normal.

    I guess it's time to add in more NTBM Better Protein Bars and some Sludge!!! YUMMM!!!!
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  24. Day 9: 7/6 Quads

    Pre-workout:
    3 scoops Wyked
    2 scoops HumaPro
    1 cap AnaBeta

    Squats
    135 x 10
    225 x 10
    315 x 10 (PR)
    365 x 3
    385 x 1
    315 x 8
    315 x 8
    315 x 8

    Leg Press / Calf Press
    450 x 10
    540 x 10
    630 x 10
    720 x 10
    810 x 5

    Left Leg Only - Leg Press / Calf Press
    90 x 15 / 90 x 15
    135 x 15 / 135 x 15
    180 x 15 / 180 x 15
    180 x 12 / 180 x 12

    Leg Extension / Good-Girl Machine / Bad-Girl Machine
    150 x 15 / 125 x 15 / 125 x 15
    170 x 15 / 145 x 15 / 145 x 15
    190 x 15 / 165 x 15 / 165 x 15
    210 x 12 / 185 x 15 / 185 x 15
    230 x 10 / 205 x 15 / 205 x 15


    AWESOME leg day for me! I haven't done that much volume on squats at high reps before. I typically cap out around 5 reps at 315, but I had the strength and endurance today to bust my PRs in this area. Just last week I had trouble getting 7 reps at 315, now I got 10 reps at 315, plus 3 more sets doing 8 reps!? All I can say is WOW! I think I can go heavier too, I'm just going to take my time increasing though. It felt really good today, lots of mind-muscle connection too, with incredible pumps. It just felt on!

    I'm excited to see what other PRs I will smash this run. Very exciting for me, it typically takes a PH/DS to get me over these hurdles. Soon I'll be lifting more than I have ever lifted on cycle!
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  25. Measurements (cold and relaxed):

    Chest: 42.5"
    Arms: 14.5"
    Forearms: 12.5"
    Waist: 34.5"
    Neck: 15"
    Left Leg: 23"
    Right Leg: 24"
    Left Calf: 15.5"
    Right Calf: 16"


    I've always had a difference between left and right leg, so I'll be working on bringing the left side up. I may sleep with the bottle of AnaBeta in my left leg pocket in hopes that I will get site specific growth through osmosis. If that doesn't work, I'll have to do more isolateral work on the left side...

    Not thrilled with the arms either. They get pumped about 1" when I flex, and another inch when I get pumped from working out. Pumped and flexed, I'm about 17", but how often am I walking around like that??? Arms will be another target area for development on this cycle.

    Finally, chest has never been my strong point (as if I had one), so I'm going to try to build it up all around. I just don't feel I have enough mass there.

    So there you have it, priority goals are:

    1. Leg symmetry and growth
    2. Arm growth and separation
    3. Chest growth and definition
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