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  1. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    Milas, no invite buddy? I feel left out... Either way I'm here whether you like it or not!
    Don't feel slighted, I didn't send invites this time around. But I am glad you're here! You gonna try anabeta in PCT?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Don't feel slighted, I didn't send invites this time around. But I am glad you're here! You gonna try anabeta in PCT?
    I'd like to. But I really don't think its necessary. I got so much to use already. I feel I should save the anabeta for a natty run after PCT

    PCT so far
    HCGEN
    Osta
    Sustain alpha
    DAA
    Forma Stanz
    Clomid

    I think there's more, gotta check my stash lol

    But I'm thinking Ana beta + HCGen or Ana beta + Phytoserms would be a great stack
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    I'd like to. But I really don't think its necessary. I got so much to use already. I feel I should save the anabeta for a natty run after PCT

    PCT so far
    HCGEN
    Osta
    Sustain alpha
    DAA
    Forma Stanz
    Clomid

    I think there's more, gotta check my stash lol

    But I'm thinking Ana beta + HCGen or Ana beta + Phytoserms would be a great stack
    I'm pretty much going to do the same. I've got a very stacked PCT, so I think that running it after PCT between cycle will give the most benefit
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  4. Well what the hell... Could always add it in

  5. Day 3 Macros:

    Calories: 3888 (220 over maintenance)

    320g protein
    302g carbs (33g fiber)
    146g fat

    34/32/35

    Most of the far came from Natrually More Peanut Butter and 90% lean Ground Beef (14oz). Carbs are coming from good sources like oats and fruits, so no worries that I was a little high (well, I also had Naan with dinner...).
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  6. Day 4: 7/1 Shoulders/Arms

    Standing BB Military / EZ Bar Curl / CG Smith Bench Press
    95 x 10 / 75 x 12 / 110 x 10
    115 x 10 / 85 x 12 / 150 x 9
    135 x 10 / 95 x 10 / 150 x 9
    135 x 9 / 95 x 10 / 150 x 9
    135 x 8 / 105 x 10 / 150 x 8

    Arnold Press / Incline DB Curl / Incline French Press
    35 x 10 / 30 x 10 / 60 x 10
    40 x 10 / 30 x 10 / 75 x 10
    45 x 10 / 30 x 10 / 95 x 10
    50 x 10 / 30 x 10 / 105 x 10
    55 x 8 / 30 x 12 / 115 x 8

    Cable Side Lateral / One Arm Cable Curl / Rope Press Down
    12.5 x 10 / 20 x 15 / 50 x 20
    15 x 10 / 15 x 15 / 50 x 20
    15 x 10 / 15 x 15 / 50 x 20
    20 x 10 / 20 x 15 / 60 x 20
    25 x 10 / 25 x 12 / 70 x 20

    DB Curls (no rest, burnout)
    10 x 50
    15 x 20
    20 x 15
    25 x 12
    30 x 10


    While I had a good pump going, and arms swelled up ~1", I didn't feel like it was the best workout. I just couldn't get the mind-muscle connection going to feel each contraction. I didn't get as much of a squeeze as I wanted to. Also, shoulder was hurting a bit on the military presses, so I had to keep weight down.

    Not a bad day by any stretch, but just not as good as I would've liked (I have high expectations though). Arms are still sore and on the verge of cramping when I flex now, so I did some good damage, I just hope the darn things grow already!

    I'll do measurements and pictures this weekend. I alread kinda took measurements, but I just want to be sure. I wasn't too happy with them...
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    I'd like to. But I really don't think its necessary. I got so much to use already. I feel I should save the anabeta for a natty run after PCT

    PCT so far
    HCGEN
    Osta
    Sustain alpha
    DAA
    Forma Stanz
    Clomid

    I think there's more, gotta check my stash lol

    But I'm thinking Ana beta + HCGen or Ana beta + Phytoserms would be a great stack
    SHAZAM! Seems that is going to be overkill to me. If you werent running Osta I can see maybe using all the other products, but with Osta in there you won't be loosing anything you have two PCT's worth of supplements there. You sure you aren't just tossing things in there because you want to use them. Seems that will more than likely waste some of your supps.

    If I may make a suggestion, run the clomid, Osta and DAA from the beginning of the pct, save the HCGen for when you stop the Osta. Your test will be mostly recovered but not all the way and still in lower than your normal range. That is when you will really want to increase the free test levels which is truly where HCGen shines alongside the leydig cell stimulation which will continue the recovery. Only use the Formastanzol if needed, and save the Sustain Alpha to run with the Forma during your next PCT if you don't end up with any estrogen issues which for the most part should be okay with the clomid unless you are really succeptible to estrogen issues. Heck if you got Anabeta run that with the HCGen afterwards.

    Of course you can throw the kitchen sink at it and i would probably recommend it but with Osta the chances of you losing gains are so unlikely that there isn't as much need for the kitchen sink approach.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    Well what the hell... Could always add it in
    Save it and bridge natty into your next cycle


  9. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post

    The AnaBeta hasn't seemed to affect hunger much at all yet, though I am much more thirsty after doses. However, while I'm fasting and haven't taken AnaBeta in a while, I am not parched like I am when I take it. All this is making me wonder whether the AP/DC in AnaBeta is staying active long enough to have an effect. Should I add a pill pre-workout? I think I'll wait until next week to try that, unless someone wants to drop some wisdominess words of advice?
    Spread the doses out, adding a pill pre-workout would help as well


  10. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Spread the doses out, adding a pill pre-workout would help as well
    Thanks, I was thinking of doing that after these last 4 days. It really seemed to not be active during the day when I fasted and didn't dose any, and then the effects in the afternoon/evening weren't too dramatic.

    I think I'll switch it to 1 pre-workout, 2 at fastbreak, and 1 with dinner. I'll try that for a week or so and adjust if necessary.

    Thanks!
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Save it and bridge natty into your next cycle
    I think that's a good idea. I hope it is anyways since that's what I'm doing...lol
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  12. Day 4 Macros:

    Calories: 2585 (1086 below maintenance)

    237g protein
    230g carbs (36g fiber)
    87g fat

    36/35/29 ratio

    Kept calories low and restricted as a burn day for LeanGains. The next 2 days are going to be low calorie days as well (relatively, given the holiday!). I may have to do some cardio to keep calories where they're supposed to be. We'll put the hunger aspect of AnaBeta to the test!
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  13. Your maintenance Cal's are around 3600? That seems pretty high unless you are adding what you burn in training to come up with maintenance. If so I guess that makes sense
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Your maintenance Cal's are around 3600? That seems pretty high unless you are adding what you burn in training to come up with maintenance. If so I guess that makes sense
    Bingo. BMR + Activity = Maintenance
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    SHAZAM! Seems that is going to be overkill to me. If you werent running Osta I can see maybe using all the other products, but with Osta in there you won't be loosing anything you have two PCT's worth of supplements there. You sure you aren't just tossing things in there because you want to use them. Seems that will more than likely waste some of your supps.

    If I may make a suggestion, run the clomid, Osta and DAA from the beginning of the pct, save the HCGen for when you stop the Osta. Your test will be mostly recovered but not all the way and still in lower than your normal range. That is when you will really want to increase the free test levels which is truly where HCGen shines alongside the leydig cell stimulation which will continue the recovery. Only use the Formastanzol if needed, and save the Sustain Alpha to run with the Forma during your next PCT if you don't end up with any estrogen issues which for the most part should be okay with the clomid unless you are really succeptible to estrogen issues. Heck if you got Anabeta run that with the HCGen afterwards.

    Of course you can throw the kitchen sink at it and i would probably recommend it but with Osta the chances of you losing gains are so unlikely that there isn't as much need for the kitchen sink approach.

    I love it when members take the time to explain their reasoning instead of just saying, "You only need XYZ. Save ABC for later." Great post my friend!
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  16. Since you are "lean gaining" primarily, what are your caloric targets for training days and burn days? It looks like you are staying away from the +20%/-20% recomp setup.
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  17. Day 5: off

    Took 1 cap in the morning fasted with BCAA, and no appreciable change in hunger. I think I'll be taking my doses more spread out, and just dose with BCAA/EAA for fasted portions and with food for other portions.

    Macros:

    Calories: 2200 (600 below maintenance)

    190g protein
    240g carbs (21g fiber)
    58g fat

    Low calorie day, hope it helps keep fat off! I always wonder about these days and whether they do more harm than good when I'm trying to build up, but still remain lean.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Since you are "lean gaining" primarily, what are your caloric targets for training days and burn days? It looks like you are staying away from the +20%/-20% recomp setup.
    I'd say I loosely follow it. I noticed I was getting too fat with the 20% over maintenance when I was working out 5 times a week. I'm trying to drop my calories a little and see if that has a better effect while still making progress. So far I'm shedding some fat from what I had, and still getting stronger and bigger I think. I'll see how it goes, and may bump it up if I stop gaining. Right now being lean isn't the priority, it's just a "nice thing".
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  19. Day 6: off

    I didn't track calories/macros, but they weren't that great. Had friends over and got Thai, cupcakes, coffee cake, baked brie, etc. Very tasty, so I hope the cardio I did during the day helped control the damage!

    I used a cap in the morning fasted, and no problem with hunger for me. I think given this, it will work more spread out on my LeanGains diet and not make me too hungy. Also, with my propensity to need much higher doses to get effects, I'm going to bump up my doses to 6 a day.

    1 cap AM pre-workout with BCAA
    1 cap AM post-workout with BCAA
    2 caps fast breaking meal
    1 cap Dinner
    1 cap pre-bed with BCAA

    I figure this will help keep the AC/DP active in my system longer, and also give it enough nutrition for anabolism.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    I'd say I loosely follow it. I noticed I was getting too fat with the 20% over maintenance when I was working out 5 times a week. I'm trying to drop my calories a little and see if that has a better effect while still making progress. So far I'm shedding some fat from what I had, and still getting stronger and bigger I think. I'll see how it goes, and may bump it up if I stop gaining. Right now being lean isn't the priority, it's just a "nice thing".
    I am about 22% up on wd's and only 11% below on nwd's and that is the point where I stopped losing fat but not gaining any either. I am very anabolic right now though. When I start to cut again I will be about + 18% and down 18% or so.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I am about 22% up on wd's and only 11% below on nwd's and that is the point where I stopped losing fat but not gaining any either. I am very anabolic right now though. When I start to cut again I will be about + 18% and down 18% or so.
    Liking the new avi Doug!
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    SHAZAM! Seems that is going to be overkill to me. If you werent running Osta I can see maybe using all the other products, but with Osta in there you won't be loosing anything you have two PCT's worth of supplements there. You sure you aren't just tossing things in there because you want to use them. Seems that will more than likely waste some of your supps.

    If I may make a suggestion, run the clomid, Osta and DAA from the beginning of the pct, save the HCGen for when you stop the Osta. Your test will be mostly recovered but not all the way and still in lower than your normal range. That is when you will really want to increase the free test levels which is truly where HCGen shines alongside the leydig cell stimulation which will continue the recovery. Only use the Formastanzol if needed, and save the Sustain Alpha to run with the Forma during your next PCT if you don't end up with any estrogen issues which for the most part should be okay with the clomid unless you are really succeptible to estrogen issues. Heck if you got Anabeta run that with the HCGen afterwards.

    Of course you can throw the kitchen sink at it and i would probably recommend it but with Osta the chances of you losing gains are so unlikely that there isn't as much need for the kitchen sink approach.
    Kleen, my man!! You're definitely right. And I always appreciate your suggestions.. Ya I'm basically hoarding all these supps, so it was more of just throw em all in and yes it probably would be a waste. I'm gonna use the Forma stanz starting right now tho into about week 3 of PCT. I'm prone to estro sides pretty bad. So what I'm doing while I'm waiting for the test esters to clear is 10 pumps/day, then slowly tapering down to 6 pumps a day on my last week of Forma, probably week 3 of PCT.

    So I'm looking at

    Clomid
    Forma Stanz
    Osta
    Hcgenerate starting week 3 or so

    Also got 2 bottles of HCGen, so i could run that for ~8weeks and throw in the Anabeta as soon as PCT is done Probably throw in bulk DAA as well when PCT is done.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Liking the new avi Doug!
    Thanks my new pics are up in my log... I am a little wet but right where I need to be...

  24. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Save it and bridge natty into your next cycle
    For sure ryan, thanks for the input buddy!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Thanks my new pics are up in my log... I am a little wet but right where I need to be...
    Looking great sir!

  26. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    Looking great sir!
    Thanks, yah I am pretty pleased....

  27. Day 7: off

    I didn't track calories/macros again, too much variation in stuff I ate, but they weren't that great AGAIN! Ate left over Thai food and cupcakes! For dinner though, grilled up some chicken, corn and a grilled salad. Done just the way it's supposed to be on 4th of July, on the grill with a beer in hand!

    Here's how I dosed today:
    1 cap AM with BCAA
    1 cap AM with BCAA
    2 caps fast breaking meal
    1 cap Dinner
    1 cap pre-bed with BCAA

    Well, I got hungry (real hungry) with the fast break meal! I'd estimate I had an extra 400-500 calories in addition to what I've normally been eating. Yeah, hunger is kicking in at 6 caps (actually, when I reached a dose of 4 caps it kicked in, I'm guessing it reached effective level sooner, and affected my eating more than my previous dosing).

    Dinner was the same, but I controlled it a little better and was ~200-300 calories above a typical dinner. I ate a couple pieces of bread and butter I wasn't planning on plus some additional carbs. AnaBeta does seem to like carbs, more than SD did for me during a cut. I'll withold judgment until I see results, but it seems good for gaining!
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  28. Day 8: 7/5 Chest/Tricep

    3 Scoops Wyked

    Flat BB Bench Press
    135 x 12
    185 x 10
    225 x 7
    245 x 3
    265 x 1
    225 x 5
    225 x 4
    185 x 11
    185 x 10
    185 x 10

    Incline DB Bench Press
    70 x 8
    75 x 8
    80 x 8
    85 x 7
    90 x 5

    Cable Cross Over
    42.5 x 10
    42.5 x 10
    45 x 10
    45 x 9
    47.5 x 8

    Machine Fly
    170 x 12
    210 x 10
    210 x 9
    220 x 9
    220 x 8

    Machine Cable Chest Press 21's
    42.5 x 21
    42.5 x 21
    42.5 x 21

    Incline Skull Crusher
    60 x 12 (5 sets)

    Dip Machine
    170 x 12 (5 sets)

    Cable Rope Press Down
    50 x 15 (5 sets)

    1-Arm Cable Rope Press Down
    15 x 15 (3 sets)


    Chest was definitely taking a beating with the volume I put in. Workout lasted a good 75 minutes with supersetting the tricep lifts with chest. At the end I was doing the 21's with less weight than last week just because I was so spent from the other 4 chest exercises! Lifts were up on the first couple of exercises, so strength/endurance is continuing to progress nicely.

    Body composition, I was looking pretty good heading into the shower, though I always get a nice pumped look post workout. I wish I could maintain that look longer, especially for pictures (which I've taken, just need to download, I'm so lazy when it comes to that). Pics aren't looking as good as I'd like, lost all the leanness I had, but strength is recovering nicely as is musculature. I need to keep gaining though, and forget about looking pretty!

    AnaBeta is starting to do its thing with hunger today! 1 cap pre-workout with EAA, and then 1 cap post-workout with BCAA/LBA. I CANNOT WAIT for lunch!!!
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  29. 6 caps hittin u hard!!
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    SELECT Protein
    - Ultra-Premium Blend
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